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Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.27 11:34:00 -
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Lipbite wrote: For me (15 years in MMOs + real clothing shops / retail experience) it is clear CCP doesn't have any experience and clues about avatars, NeX, retail, micro-transactions, etc. I expect more screw ups during their experiments - like 500AUR cheap left/gold monocles for example.
Of course they don't. This is a ******* SPACESHIP GAME! They introduced avatars along with RMT items like this was the game focus and expected everyone to receive it with open arms. How ****** up is that? They use EvE to beta test WoD and Dust RMT, deliver no signifcant content to older players and people still wonder where did it go wrong. Now they are trying to fix all the mess but the damage is already done. Expect even more flop when npcs ship wrecks start dropping pants. I'm not against avatars but they are doing this **** all wrong. They launched CQ as space doll houses. Clothing have no significance to game lore or mechanics at all. Pure slot machine sloppy design. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
652
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Posted - 2012.06.27 11:57:00 -
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Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:Lipbite wrote: For me (15 years in MMOs + real clothing shops / retail experience) it is clear CCP doesn't have any experience and clues about avatars, NeX, retail, micro-transactions, etc. I expect more screw ups during their experiments - like 500AUR cheap left/gold monocles for example.
Of course they don't. This is a ******* SPACESHIP GAME! They introduced avatars along with RMT items like this was the game focus and expected everyone to receive it with open arms. How ****** up is that? They use EvE to beta test WoD and Dust RMT, deliver no signifcant content to older players and people still wonder where did it go wrong. Now they are trying to fix all the mess but the damage is already done. Expect even more flop when npcs ship wrecks start dropping pants. I'm not against avatars but they are doing this **** all wrong. They launched CQ as space doll houses. Clothing have no significance to game lore or mechanics at all. Pure slot machine sloppy design.
In actual fact you are wrong. EVE has never, and will never be just a spaceships game. CCP have stated time and time again, going all the way back to before EVE was even released, that the idea was to create a fully immersive science fiction universe. This would include flying around in spaceships, walking in stations and some form of planetary game play.
As you can see we already have EVE, we are soon to see the arrival of DUST514 and with luck CCP will start to hire new people to work on the Incarna project once again. Yes they made a mess of Incarna, we know and they know it, but let's not use that as an excuse to halt the expansion of our gaming universe.
You learn lessons and then you move forward, if you don't you risk stagnation, and that would be a more certain death than merely trying and getting it wrong. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
176
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:00:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:LOL you invested in space clothes.
I can't stop laughing. +1
-á"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |
Tobias Durandal
Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:02:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:LOL you invested in space clothes.
It is very cold in space. It's why I bought this space blanket. |
I am Infinity
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:05:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Welcome to the cut-throat word of internet spaceship game apparel.
<3 golden |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:18:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote: In actual fact you are wrong. EVE has never, and will never be just a spaceships game. CCP have stated time and time again, going all the way back to before EVE was even released, that the idea was to create a fully immersive science fiction universe. This would include flying around in spaceships, walking in stations and some form of planetary game play.
As you can see we already have EVE, we are soon to see the arrival of DUST514 and with luck CCP will start to hire new people to work on the Incarna project once again. Yes they made a mess of Incarna, we know and they know it, but let's not use that as an excuse to halt the expansion of our gaming universe.
You learn lessons and then you move forward, if you don't you risk stagnation, and that would be a more certain death than merely trying and getting it wrong.
Try playing EvE without spaceships and what do you got? Market? You can't haul anything. All you have without spaceships is that brand new space dollhouse of yours that offers as much immersion lore-wise as watching a fashion showcase. Afaik EvE has been a spaceship based game for 9 years now.
Like I said before I'm not against avatars or universe expansion. But they are taking too long to acknowledge the mistake of making it a full RMT feature and 'move foward' on this. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:21:00 -
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Make some clothing FW reward. Make a few other RMT only. Make some Epic Arc rewards. Thats not hard. Problem is they just wanted a slot machine. Greed is good? Think again. |
Kyle Ward
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:23:00 -
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Shoulda bought Guidance Systems. Bishis love Guidance Systems... The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
646
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:23:00 -
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Dude, all I can tell you is I feel your pain. Well, no I'm secretly laughing at you on the inside. That aside, do you remember the outrage at the prices back when the NeX was seeded? Do you remember how people were telling CCP that it was ludicrous to pay that much for virtual stuffs? And do you remember how the NeX was projected to be a complete and utter failure and that if CCP wanted the NeX to succeed they would have to lower those macro-transaction prices to micro-transaction levels?
Regardless, the NeX items could never be an investment. See, in order for you to achieve a return on your principle you would have had to been able to re-sell those items for a profit. But that could never be achieve because isk could always be used to buy plex which could be converted to aurum to purchase clothing. So, only bigger fools than you would be willing to throw more isk at an item to acquire it in a direct isk/item trage than a isk > plex > aurum > item exchange. And so, in reality, the cost of those items on the isk market could only ever be the price you paid for it or......wait for it......less as seen when CCP gave aurum away and certain items make it to the isk market for, in some cases, 30x less than what was paid for them in aurum.
And if you know anything about economics then there is one thing you can be sure of: If a product is failing at its current price point then it might succeed at a new, lower price point. Obviously, CCP has "devalued" your investment in the hopes to "revaluing" theirs. If the NeX would have been a success at macro-transaction values then you could be sure your investment would have been protected. Unfortunately, as predicted by many players, including myself and as evidenced by this new pricing, the NeX was a failure. CCP has now adjusted their NeX strategy to be more accessible and thus cheaper items.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Odelya d'Hanguest
Khanid-damashii
54
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:44:00 -
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Cf. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=125622 |
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1095
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:51:00 -
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Exclusivity doesnt last forever, deal with it.
Will you also be complaining when DUST gets released on PC? My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
VanDam
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:57:00 -
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The only time I ever see peoples' clothing is on the forums, and even then it's only out of the corner of my eye as I'm reading a post.
Stop wasting your money. |
Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
38
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:18:00 -
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If you play the markets, you will, inevitably, someday lose. This was one of those times, just HTFU.
I doubt those few billions even are worth that much to you, seeing you must've purchased these clothes before with a reasonable amount of ISK hoping to strike a profit later. |
Sun Win
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
7
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Posted - 2012.06.27 14:07:00 -
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Don't buy clothes that you can't afford to lose. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8245
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Posted - 2012.06.27 14:19:00 -
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Reloadin wrote:Lesson to be learnt? Don't ever buy another collectors edition or plex bundle again. That seems like a rather nonsensical lesson. Why shouldn't you buy a bundle just because they throw in free stuff? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
33
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:05:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote: And if you know anything about economics then there is one thing you can be sure of: If a product is failing at its current price point then it might succeed at a new, lower price point. Obviously, CCP has "devalued" your investment in the hopes to "revaluing" theirs. If the NeX would have been a success at macro-transaction values then you could be sure your investment would have been protected. Unfortunately, as predicted by many players, including myself and as evidenced by this new pricing, the NeX was a failure. CCP has now adjusted their NeX strategy to be more accessible and thus cheaper items.
Exactly, the main reason why the four not available (previously not available) items were so expensive is because of their rarity and not because of their actual aesthetic value. The 2 Quafe shirts is another good example if you look at the large price difference for almost the same shirt. Thinking more upon it I hope that CCP does reprice the more expensive items to what people would actually pay for them even if I do already own them. No different than all those anime DVD thinpacks/complete collections that came out a year after I had bought the individual releases, or video game complete/GOTY editions. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:16:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Reloadin wrote:Lesson to be learnt? Don't ever buy another collectors edition or plex bundle again. That seems like a rather nonsensical lesson. Why shouldn't you buy a bundle just because they throw in free stuff?
Probably inarticulately expressed, more like:
"Don't buy another collectors edition expecting it to actually be exclusive and collectable."
The real lesson here is about the people doing the selling.
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Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
61
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:46:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:LOL you invested in space clothes. Space Barbie |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2125
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:08:00 -
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This has been gone over extensively in other threads.
You got what you paid for, which included a free Special Edition shirt... not a Limited Edition shirt... not a "one time only" ability to obtain said shirt.
Any offer that had "one time only" in the description was referring to the combination of the special offer AND the free shirt.
This is basically why your wife/mother doesn't allow you to go shopping on your own. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1524
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:18:00 -
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Posts that didn't add anything constructive to the thread got removed. Please be aware of our forum rules.
At this point of time I lack any information to comment on this with quality. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
655
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:42:00 -
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Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote: In actual fact you are wrong. EVE has never, and will never be just a spaceships game. CCP have stated time and time again, going all the way back to before EVE was even released, that the idea was to create a fully immersive science fiction universe. This would include flying around in spaceships, walking in stations and some form of planetary game play.
As you can see we already have EVE, we are soon to see the arrival of DUST514 and with luck CCP will start to hire new people to work on the Incarna project once again. Yes they made a mess of Incarna, we know and they know it, but let's not use that as an excuse to halt the expansion of our gaming universe.
You learn lessons and then you move forward, if you don't you risk stagnation, and that would be a more certain death than merely trying and getting it wrong.
Try playing EvE without spaceships and what do you got? Market? You can't haul anything. All you have without spaceships is that brand new space dollhouse of yours that offers as much immersion lore-wise as watching a fashion showcase. Afaik EvE has been a spaceship based game for 9 years now. Like I said before I'm not against avatars or universe expansion. But they are taking too long to acknowledge the mistake of making it a full RMT feature and 'move foward' on this.
Where, anywhere on the EVE forums, has anyone suggested getting rid of the spaceships? And clothing is not all that Incarna is about, something you appear to be mistaken about. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:45:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote: In actual fact you are wrong. EVE has never, and will never be just a spaceships game. CCP have stated time and time again, going all the way back to before EVE was even released, that the idea was to create a fully immersive science fiction universe. This would include flying around in spaceships, walking in stations and some form of planetary game play.
As you can see we already have EVE, we are soon to see the arrival of DUST514 and with luck CCP will start to hire new people to work on the Incarna project once again. Yes they made a mess of Incarna, we know and they know it, but let's not use that as an excuse to halt the expansion of our gaming universe.
You learn lessons and then you move forward, if you don't you risk stagnation, and that would be a more certain death than merely trying and getting it wrong.
Try playing EvE without spaceships and what do you got? Market? You can't haul anything. All you have without spaceships is that brand new space dollhouse of yours that offers as much immersion lore-wise as watching a fashion showcase. Afaik EvE has been a spaceship based game for 9 years now. Like I said before I'm not against avatars or universe expansion. But they are taking too long to acknowledge the mistake of making it a full RMT feature and 'move foward' on this. Where, anywhere on the EVE forums, has anyone suggested getting rid of the spaceships? And clothing is not all that Incarna is about, something you appear to be mistaken about.
Fine, Incarna was about Clothing and Clanking around a rusty room. Glad we could clear that up. -RubyPorto
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.28 06:21:00 -
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Good news is that the clothing associated with special promotions that were promised as part of "one-time-offer" / "limited/collector's edition" are taken out of the NEX Store.
The bad news is that the initial investors who took the "leap of faith" on CCP and obtained those items via ISK or actual cash, are still disenfranchised due to countless number of the items being purchased and circulated post-1.1 Inferno and prior to today's removal of the clothing.
Reparation should be made for the PREVIOUS OWNERS OF the Ishukone Special Edition Shirt ad Women Executor's Coat (Red/Gold) by providing unique items of equivalent value/rarity to those who were adversely affected. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1539
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Posted - 2012.06.28 11:30:00 -
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CCP t0rfifrans just posted an update on the situation in this thread; we will post more information as soon as it becomes available.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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