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Jaykop
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Posted - 2010.02.05 19:30:00 -
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I was wondering if CCP, ever wants to make a client like the old classic one or eve again? I really miss the old classic one insted of the new since my computer would allow the old one to run alot smoother than the new one. I think i have seen someone talk about they are working on something like makeing a new classic but i donno..
Anyone know anything about this? or will they only support the new from now on?
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.02.05 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nova Fox on 05/02/2010 19:36:49 Classic was cancelled due to the fact that it was devouring alot of manpower that can be better devoted in getting new art out faster, debugging the graphics engines including physics, killing lag, streamlining code, and many more areas where the amount of manning 'lost' keeping classic was no longer worth the potential benifits workable elsewhere.
Chances of it ever comming back, none whatsoever. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 27JAN10
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Lork Niffle
Gallente External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2010.02.05 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jaykop will they only support the new from now on?
They have only supported the new one ever sicne they dropped the old one. They have stated there is no going back. SM1 is decades old, you have to move on from it. ------------------------------------- The system issues man. |
Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.02.06 06:21:00 -
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*MEDIUM SHADER ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader! |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.06 06:34:00 -
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I think a disable ship models (maybe a disable other ship models would be better?) and a basic planet textures (just keep the texture they have before the full texture pops) options would do wonders.
oh and disable clouds too... them things kill my fps.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.02.06 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I think a disable ship models (maybe a disable other ship models would be better?) and a basic planet textures (just keep the texture they have before the full texture pops) options would do wonders.
oh and disable clouds too... them things kill my fps.
i seem to recall a 'disable clouds' checkbox somewhere in the settings at one time maybe on sisi..
Unfortunately, i cant remember if i was dreaming it or not :( OHGODS BELOW THIS LINE IS MY SIG !!!! SRSLY! Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. Lance is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points |
Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.02.06 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I think a disable ship models (maybe a disable other ship models would be better?) and a basic planet textures (just keep the texture they have before the full texture pops) options would do wonders.
oh and disable clouds too... them things kill my fps.
i seem to recall a 'disable clouds' checkbox somewhere in the settings at one time maybe on sisi..
Unfortunately, i cant remember if i was dreaming it or not :(
Now do we really need color in eve?
Would it be better to have everything in b/w? I'll go even further and have 4-bit graphics.
No one would mind.
Im sure a survey by ccp would show that members dont really want color graphics.
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Cecilia Syal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.06 07:01:00 -
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Edited by: Cecilia Syal on 06/02/2010 07:03:10 I am one of the few to play on older hardware and support them only having one client if it means more content and more consistency , but more options to those on the lower end of hardware would be nice. I run eve in 15-bit colour, non-dithered, widescreen, and most effects off. works wonders. resource cache on helps too. and now get 75fps on average, I don't really care how pretty internet spaceships look like, would help if could disable textures and use goraud shading, am sure i could then pull out my old geforce2 64mb again instead of my 8400GS 512mb if they had that option, btw i used to play eve on my old card fine at the same FPS, around 40-50
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.02.06 07:07:00 -
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56k FTW ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader! |
Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2010.02.06 07:23:00 -
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I'll say the same thing I've said in every thread of this nature.
UPGRADE YOUR ****.
This is an MMO. It changes. You must change with it. You must upgrade. CCP CANNOT support old hardware for ever. They do it till it's no longer financially sound.
Why do you people continue to complain about your hardware. If you've upgraded your computer once every 3 years, you'd be fine.
If you personally cannot afford to upgrade your computer once every few years, then you have bigger issues to worry about then performance in eve. It takes 1000$ every few years. That's it.
If you are using a laptop it's NOT MEANT FOR GAMES. And if it IS a gaming laptop then you STILL need to replace it every 2 years.
I seriously don't understand why people in this day and age cannot get this through their head.
"The game is choppy on my 5 year old computer?" "Why do they keep improveing the graphics?" "Why can't the game stay the way it was 6 years ago?"
Seriously. Upgrade.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.02.06 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cors I'll say the same thing I've said in every thread of this nature.
UPGRADE YOUR ****.
This is an MMO. It changes. You must change with it. You must upgrade. CCP CANNOT support old hardware for ever. They do it till it's no longer financially sound.
Actually you are wrong. A company supports its users. Users are not expected to support the company.
Take a lesson from MS Vista CCP. It did not do well because people where FORCED to upgrade when they were not ready to. You will have more customers leaving than joining if you believe otherwise.
The space based MMO floodgates are expected to open in a few years. You may have some real competition for once. ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader! |
Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2010.02.06 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Cors I'll say the same thing I've said in every thread of this nature.
UPGRADE YOUR ****.
This is an MMO. It changes. You must change with it. You must upgrade. CCP CANNOT support old hardware for ever. They do it till it's no longer financially sound.
Actually you are wrong. A company supports its users. Users are not expected to support the company.
Take a lesson from MS Vista CCP. It did not do well because people where FORCED to upgrade when they were not ready to. You will have more customers leaving than joining if you believe otherwise.
The space based MMO floodgates are expected to open in a few years. You may have some real competition for once.
Um. It's not like MS forced a gun to your head and made you purchase vista. Many, many, many people skipped vista entirely and went strait to 7. ________
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.06 08:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kyra Felann on 06/02/2010 08:24:27
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I think a disable ship models (maybe a disable other ship models would be better?) and a basic planet textures (just keep the texture they have before the full texture pops) options would do wonders.
oh and disable clouds too... them things kill my fps.
Yeah, there should be a barebones mode with just the UI and no textures on planets and stations and just icons for ships. No shaders, no lighting, no nothing.
It'd be handy for big fleet engagements if your FPS starts tanking.
In case you're wondering, I run the game maxed out at 60+ FPS, so my hardware is fine. I just think having a very low-fi mode easily toggleable would be good for certain situations.
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Vincent Death
Hyasyoda External Security Trade and Development
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Posted - 2010.02.06 09:37:00 -
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Quote: The space based MMO floodgates are expected to open in a few years. You may have some real competition for once.
I expect all of these games will run SM1 and have super fast fps on my five year old laptop. How will CCP survive against these gaming juggernauts. Also, op, how do you remember to breathe when you're so stupid?
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.02.06 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Cors I'll say the same thing I've said in every thread of this nature.
UPGRADE YOUR ****.
This is an MMO. It changes. You must change with it. You must upgrade. CCP CANNOT support old hardware for ever. They do it till it's no longer financially sound.
Actually you are wrong. A company supports its users. Users are not expected to support the company.
Take a lesson from MS Vista CCP. It did not do well because people where FORCED to upgrade when they were not ready to. You will have more customers leaving than joining if you believe otherwise.
The space based MMO floodgates are expected to open in a few years. You may have some real competition for once.
Um. It's not like MS forced a gun to your head and made you purchase vista. Many, many, many people skipped vista entirely and went strait to 7.
NO, of course not. But they did make DX10 for Vista only didnt they. No coercion there huh? ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader! |
5tewie Griffin
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Posted - 2010.02.06 11:38:00 -
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When Classic was dropped it was claimed that using the "new" Eve on lower settings meant that older machines that could cope with the previous graphics.
Saddly this was not the case and, whilst my more modern machine and home can run Eve dual client in all its glory, i am still trying to pursuade my employers that I need a newer works PC
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.06 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jaykop I think i have seen someone talk about they are working on something like makeing a new classic but i donno..
It's dead Jim.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente JotunHeim Hird
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Posted - 2010.02.06 14:02:00 -
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I think a console client would be awesome.
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.02.06 14:22:00 -
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I'm sorry, but we're on DX11 now. Asking you to have a low end DX9 GPU that you can get for $30 shouldn't be a problem.
I suspect most people complaining are playing on laptops with Intel Integrated Graphics. Guess what, Intel Integrated is a terrible chip, so bad that many companies (including CCP) have basically said **** it and stopped even trying to support it at the expense of users with a real GPU.
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Vossejongk
Caldari Bendebeukers Green Rhino
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Posted - 2010.02.06 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Cors I'll say the same thing I've said in every thread of this nature.
UPGRADE YOUR ****.
This is an MMO. It changes. You must change with it. You must upgrade. CCP CANNOT support old hardware for ever. They do it till it's no longer financially sound.
Actually you are wrong. A company supports its users. Users are not expected to support the company.
Take a lesson from MS Vista CCP. It did not do well because people where FORCED to upgrade when they were not ready to. You will have more customers leaving than joining if you believe otherwise.
The space based MMO floodgates are expected to open in a few years. You may have some real competition for once.
Um. It's not like MS forced a gun to your head and made you purchase vista. Many, many, many people skipped vista entirely and went strait to 7.
Still xp here
But yeah upgrading to 7 soon because of 64bit (xp 64bit is crap, i tried and constant bsod and hell i tried everything... Plus it looks nice and reviews are good so why not :) But then again I cant really approve of any of this because this is my signature |
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.02.06 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Cors I'll say the same thing I've said in every thread of this nature.
UPGRADE YOUR ****.
This is an MMO. It changes. You must change with it. You must upgrade. CCP CANNOT support old hardware for ever. They do it till it's no longer financially sound.
Actually you are wrong. A company supports its users. Users are not expected to support the company.
Take a lesson from MS Vista CCP. It did not do well because people where FORCED to upgrade when they were not ready to. You will have more customers leaving than joining if you believe otherwise.
The space based MMO floodgates are expected to open in a few years. You may have some real competition for once.
Yeah we all saw how STO drained Eve's population right? ___
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.02.06 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 06/02/2010 16:17:47 again with the medium shader? sigh
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Actually you are wrong. A company supports its users. Users are not expected to support the company.
You should expect to have your stuff supported for as long as it remains financially viable, which it wasn't. Just turn down the AA already :P Quote:
The space based MMO floodgates are expected to open in a few years. You may have some real competition for once.
the space based MMO floodgates (lol) will probably be filled with WoW clones that will be 90% dead in two months and shutdown 1-2 years after launch. EVE's not unique just because its in space, it's unique because of the gameplay _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep! |
Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2010.02.06 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Cors I'll say the same thing I've said in every thread of this nature.
UPGRADE YOUR ****.
This is an MMO. It changes. You must change with it. You must upgrade. CCP CANNOT support old hardware for ever. They do it till it's no longer financially sound.
Actually you are wrong. A company supports its users. Users are not expected to support the company.
Take a lesson from MS Vista CCP. It did not do well because people where FORCED to upgrade when they were not ready to. You will have more customers leaving than joining if you believe otherwise.
The space based MMO floodgates are expected to open in a few years. You may have some real competition for once.
CCP is not FORCEING you to do anything. The computer hardware industry is FORCEING you to do it. Computers have a life cycle. For office use, it's longer, for home media use, it's a little shorter, for gameing it's a LOT shorter.
Again, if you are on a laptop, it's lifecycle for GAMEING is about a year. MAYBE a year and a half. For a desktop PC with hardware bought TODAY that was in the top 90% performance wise, you have about 2 years before you have to start turning the graphics down in games. Another year where you can drop them down to medium levels. When you hit the 4th year, you'll be running just released games at low grapics settings. On year 5 you'll be crying.
First question to YOU.
is your laptop a normal laptop, or is it a GAMING laptop? I bet it's just a normal laptop with some crappy intel GMA in it isn't it. Well guess what. MINE CAN'T PLAY EVE EITHER. That's why it's a LAPTOP and not my gameing rig. My Gaming rig has twice the ram, SSD HDD's dedicated graphics cards, quad core processors, and can play every game out there on highest settings. Was it more expensive then a laptop? Yes. Hell, my SECOND computer, the one that's made up of all the "old" parts that are replaced in my main rig still plays eve moderately well.
If you are a laptop gamer, you NEED to replace it with a high end GAMING laptop every 2 years. The hardware is TOO LIMITED to be useful beyond that as a gaming rig.
CCP supports the masses. NOT everyone. Meaning they support as many people as they can, as is financially possible. Shader Model 1 Graphics just cost too much to support. So they nixed it.
Go out. And buy a NEW laptop. Here this is a laptop, that will play eve fine. It's not cheap, but it works. I spend about half that a year on my desktop. So spending that much every 2 years on a laptop should be feasible.
You can even customize it so it's got more performance.
Laptops have limitations. Those limitations are either lowered gaming performance, or much higher costs. Usually a combination of the two.
Just accept it, and move on. Budget for a new high end gaming laptop for this year.
Hell, a lot of the players with desktop pc's need to upgrade. Some people are just willing to accept lowered performance in exchange for a longer product lifecycle.
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Cecilia Syal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:03:00 -
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You know if the dev's allowed people to disable textures and just added in a lite / simplier shader that OpenGL/Software renderer could support everyone on any video card would be able to play, even on ancient hardware and laptops. and just use Gouraud shading instead of textures. and add more colour options, like 256 colour etc. I mean then even my old Celeron 300@450mhz with a 3DFX Voodoo II PCI 16mb could play. or even my 486/dx66 thats in basement though i would need to install a ethernet card it only has a 14400 baud modem
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Krennel Darius
Caldari Nova Security Systems
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Krennel Darius on 06/02/2010 19:14:14
Quote: Actually you are wrong. A company supports its users. Users are not expected to support the company.
Take a lesson from MS Vista CCP. It did not do well because people where FORCED to upgrade when they were not ready to. You will have more customers leaving than joining if you believe otherwise.
The space based MMO floodgates are expected to open in a few years. You may have some real competition for once.
MS didn't force Vista on anyone. Sure, computer companies starting punching out computers that had Vista on them, but they did the same thing with XP.
And for the record, I'm still running XP. Why? Because the 5 year old Dell motherboard that is somehow still supporting my high end gaming computer has no Vista/7 compatible drivers. Hows that for a company supporting its users?
Quote: NO, of course not. But they did make DX10 for Vista only didnt they. No coercion there huh?
Also, how many games rely on DX10? Somewhere around the vicinity of 2? 3? Its certainly not relevant to the EVE conversation we've got going.
_________________________________________________ If at first you don't succeed, you're not Chuck Norris |
Usagi Toshiro
Amarr PoliCratton Technologies
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cors I'll say the same thing I've said in every thread of this nature.
UPGRADE YOUR ****.
This is an MMO. It changes. You must change with it. You must upgrade. CCP CANNOT support old hardware for ever. They do it till it's no longer financially sound.
Why do you people continue to complain about your hardware. If you've upgraded your computer once every 3 years, you'd be fine.
If you personally cannot afford to upgrade your computer once every few years, then you have bigger issues to worry about then performance in eve. It takes 1000$ every few years. That's it.
If you are using a laptop it's NOT MEANT FOR GAMES. And if it IS a gaming laptop then you STILL need to replace it every 2 years.
I seriously don't understand why people in this day and age cannot get this through their head.
"The game is choppy on my 5 year old computer?" "Why do they keep improveing the graphics?" "Why can't the game stay the way it was 6 years ago?"
Seriously. Upgrade.
It's a (money) trap!
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Cornaris
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:59:00 -
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Anyone have a copy of eve online in ASCII pic? Was brilliant |
Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2010.02.07 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Cors I'll say the same thing I've said in every thread of this nature.
UPGRADE YOUR ****.
This is an MMO. It changes. You must change with it. You must upgrade. CCP CANNOT support old hardware for ever. They do it till it's no longer financially sound.
Actually you are wrong. A company supports its users. Users are not expected to support the company.
Take a lesson from MS Vista CCP. It did not do well because people where FORCED to upgrade when they were not ready to. You will have more customers leaving than joining if you believe otherwise.
The space based MMO floodgates are expected to open in a few years. You may have some real competition for once.
I think you're unreasonable. Until recently I had 3 machines (computer gaming is my hobby, some people like cars, I like shiny computers).
Recently my oldest machine died forever, and this machine I had built in 2005. Now granted, in 2005/06 this computer was close to top of the line, but still... it continued to run premium eve great. No problems at all (I did have a 7800gtx in it, which I ended up mailing off to a corpmate in New Zealand.
Now if my 5 year old computer could run the new premium client, I can't imagine what kind of computers you have that cannot. Maybe older laptops?
Its totally unreasonable to suggest that CCP not change their clients, to please the vast majority of us whose computers can handle a hell of a lot more than the old classic client. Especially since CCP continues to develop and market the game for new customers as well--as if they're supposed to attract loads of new players with graphics nearly a decade old?
Now you could argue that CCP should continue to develop BOTH clients, but that is also unreasonable. That implies CCP should continue to dedicate hundreds of man hours in art, development and testing because a VERY SMALL minority of players don't have computers on which the new client runs well.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.02.07 00:58:00 -
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They dropped support for shader model 1,
that technology is 20 years old almost
in computer terms if you had shader model one, you are generations behind, many generation like more than great grandfathering.
There are cheap SM2 and SM3 cards out there for under 50 bucks a pop, some are still old AGP slots too. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 27JAN10
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Sgt MaxFightmaster
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Posted - 2010.02.07 01:11:00 -
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I totally get CCP dropping classic if it was eating manpower, but I do think its a hell of a testament to the quality of this game that graphics simply aren't that important to many people. I think for industrial oriented people a text only interface would probably suffice most of the time. Play it on a netbook.
PS First post in 1.5 years.
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