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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.10 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion I strongly suspect that you are a Gallente plant intending to paint us in the image the Federation sees us as.
No, I think that's just Nordir-baka being himself.
Even the most horrendously prejudiced stereotype has to have some grounding in reality, unfortunately. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2010.02.10 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher No, I think that's just Nordir-baka being himself.
Even the most horrendously prejudiced stereotype has to have some grounding in reality, unfortunately.
While I agree that it is just Nordir-baka being himself, Verin, I don't think he or anyone like him is really the grounding for that particular stereotype; rare idiots don't get their characteristics enshrined that way. It probably finds grounding in habitual Caldari prickliness and pride where culture is concerned.
Nordir-baka isn't a prototype; he's not an archetype. He's a caricature.
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Magnus Nordir
Caldari Nordir Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.10 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion The Caldari "race", Mr. Nordir, consists of roughly four races at this time: the Intaki who chose our side in the original war but did not enter the Legion, the Achurans, the Civire, and the Deteis. Unless by "race" you mean "everyone who lives in the State", you really aren't making much sense.
The Caldari race is represented by the unity of the descendants of the occupants of Caldari prime - that is to say Civire and Deteis, which have been genetically proven to be a singular race. Achura and Intaki are nothing but allies of uppurtunity and have yet to contribute anything significant to our State. Only those bound by the spirits of their ancestors to Caldari Prime are true Caldari. --------------------------- Only those who surrender are lost |
Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.10 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth Nordir-baka isn't a prototype; he's not an archetype. He's a caricature.
You're quite right. Especially in light of his most recent attack of verbal diarrhea. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2010.02.10 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 10/02/2010 18:31:19 Oh, and what an attack it is.
Originally by: Magnus Nordir The Caldari race is represented by the unity of the descendants of the occupants of Caldari prime - that is to say Civire and Deteis, which have been genetically proven to be a singular race. Achura and Intaki are nothing but allies of uppurtunity and have yet to contribute anything significant to our State. Only those bound by the spirits of their ancestors to Caldari Prime are true Caldari.
Nordir-baka:
While you're undoubtedly correct that the ethnic Caldari are only those originating on Caldari Prime, the rest of your comments characterize you as a throwback. The State has dealt with people with your perspective before-- a little incident shortly after the war involving a number of Caldari who didn't think they should have to share Kamokor IV with the Intaki who helped us.
Do you know what the State, what the Caldari, did to those people?
We shot them. With significant help from the Intaki, I might add; you've heard of Mordu's Legion, perhaps?
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Magnus Nordir
Caldari Nordir Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.11 02:03:00 -
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I'm well aware of that, and it's downright pathetic that it had to come to slaughter between Caldari because some are too eager to share their birthright with foreigners. We tried to coexist like that with the Gallente, and it didn't work out. I don't see a reason why we should be treating the Intaki and the Achura any different. Being Caldari is as much about Race as it is about the state of mind, and I find that few foreigners are able to replicate that, even the Achura, who are considered to be thoroughly integrated. The Caldari State was created by the Caldari Race, for the Caldari Race. Foreigners should only be tolerated as long as that's beneficial to us. --------------------------- Only those who surrender are lost |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2010.02.11 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nordir-baka We tried to coexist like that with the Gallente, and it didn't work out. I don't see a reason why we should be treating the Intaki and the Achura any different.
It's heartening to see someone working so hard to earn his title.
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Zagamesh
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2010.02.11 02:39:00 -
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I wonder, if I throw a stick will Mssr. Nordir fetch it? He certainly has the bark of a dog, unfortunate then he appears to lack the bite.
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.11 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Originally by: Nordir-baka We tried to coexist like that with the Gallente, and it didn't work out. I don't see a reason why we should be treating the Intaki and the Achura any different.
It's heartening to see someone working so hard to earn his title.
Does "Heartening" mean "Induces a desire to tie him down and introduce him to new forms of pain as only a surgeon can."? - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
BloodBird
Nova Foundry
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Posted - 2010.02.11 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Edited by: Vikarion on 10/02/2010 04:21:47
Originally by: Magnus Nordir Nothing must step in our way to restore to the State that which is rightfully ours. Only the final and complete defeat of the degenerate, decadent federation will redeem us before our ancestors for allowing the gallente s****to take our home from us.
Heth commands, we follow!
RACE AND STATE!
I strongly suspect that you are a Gallente plant intending to paint us in the image the Federation sees us as.
Why would we want that racist idiot doing anything of the sort when people like yourself do such a fine, fine job of it? You are basically the poster-child of a hateful, anti-Federal I-don't-like-you-one-bit-and-inform-you-of-this-daily State supporter.
------------------------------------- Alexander Kamy· Allisieer - CO-founder, NOVAF |
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.02.11 12:17:00 -
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I believe M. Nordir speaks the general opinion of the everyday Caldari, as opposed to the everyday capsuleer who tries to be as politically correct as possible. So, the Caldari are Civire and Deteis. Anyone else are foreigners, right. The State is monoethnic. Why is this a bad thing? It's called cultural relativism, the only country that has successfully been able to accomodate countless cultures is the Federation. Why do people assume this is automatically a virtue?
Monoethnicity is not a vice, it's just how that culture works. There is nothing wrong with it, no?
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.11 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 11/02/2010 12:38:24
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores I believe M. Nordir speaks the general opinion of the everyday Caldari.
Believe whatever you want. You're still wrong, and so is Nordir.
Quote: The State is monoethnic. Why is this a bad thing? It's called cultural relativism, the only country that has successfully been able to accomodate countless cultures is the Federation. Why do people assume this is automatically a virtue?
Monoethnicity is not a vice, it's just how that culture works. There is nothing wrong with it, no?
If we genuinely were monoethnic then that would probably be our attitude, but we're not. Monoethnicity runs contrary to the core tenet of meritocracy - that anyone can succeed, given the opportunity to do so.
Why else would one of our closest allies be an Intaki mercenary corps?
Yes, there's a vein of nationalism running through Caldari culture at the moment and yes this does often give rise to open racism and bigotry. Those vices are exceptions to the general norm, not a reflection of it.
The sole criterion for State citizenship is the desire to work for the good of a higher cause. Sometimes, people forget this fact and will display prejudice towards their fellow citizens. Those people are idiots.
An interesting observation for you: the Gallente Federation is named after a specific dominant ethnic group. The Caldari State is not. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.02.12 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores The State is monoethnic
Technically, even according to Nordir, it's duoethnic. -----
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