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KaarBaak
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Posted - 2011.09.21 01:08:00 -
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DevBlog wrote:We know that itGÇÿs annoying as hell logging into a station on a craptop trying to sort out some market orders and feel it slowly roasting your lap while it renders your pencil skirt-wearing Caldari commander lady. We are addressing this now.
They're all over it.
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Jita Alt666
223
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Posted - 2011.09.21 02:30:00 -
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Dear Op
Here you go: Problem Fixed
Love you long time. |
Princess Cellestia
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
16
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Posted - 2011.09.21 04:59:00 -
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Hey laptop guys, get a real computer, with a real graphics card, with real cooling. Stop trying to be some hipster playing internet spaceships in your little coffee houses. |
Trainwreck McGee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.09.21 05:19:00 -
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breaking news
this just in
turn off your ******* laptop
you energy wasting *****
more news at **** off CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
454
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Posted - 2011.09.21 07:31:00 -
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What do you think is happening on the login screen? THE GAME IS RUNNING! It's using the in game engine to render a scene, you know, like a game! Just cos your not logged into the server does not mean your not going to be pushing your GPU at the login screen. If you wanna leave your crap top running while you go out for hours on end, that's your fecking problem. My mother was a thukker, my father was an elderberry! - @flynnfetladral on Twitter! |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
49
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Posted - 2011.09.21 07:55:00 -
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Zombatar wrote:Trolls Troll wrote:both people are right in this thread.
Laptops shouldn't be left on all day using gpu heavy programs, they do get hot hurr durr. @op try idling in another game all day and see if your laptop doesnt get hot. The opening screen does have a rather fancy animation.
but
everyone knows that there are problems with Incarna's performance, even CCP have admitted it. Cards working way too hard for the environment needed. A quite useless animation that takes way too much GPU for its purpose. I will not leave my laptop open with EVE log-in page from now on, but I would honestly appreciate an option to disable such animations to the a log-in page. I do not need it, the cost is simply to high for the gains, just like Incarna... I doubt that the login page is very GPU heavy.
SC2 had a similar problem where graphics cards would overheat on the menu screen (but not in-game).
Why? because the menu screen was not GPU heavy but had no framerate lock set. So the GPU would render the "easy" menu screen at crazy framerates and overheat in the process of doing so.
In the words of Blizzard
Quote:Screens that are light on detail may make your system overheat if cooling is overall insufficient. This is because the game has nothing to do so it is primarily just working on drawing the screen very quickly.
If your rig can handle FiS just fine but overheats on the login screen I would expect the problem to be of a similar nature.
Of course this doesn't change the fact that a properly designed system is unable to overheat.
If your hardware cannot run at full capacity over extended periods of time your laptop/computer manufacturer did outfit it with an insufficient cooling solution (which is pretty much the norm with budget computers as everybody looks at the CPU & GPU model when making a buying decision and nobody cares about TDP; airflow, cooling, ... easy to save some dollars and most customers will use their hardware at max only for short bursts of time if at all).
Also modern hardware should shut itself down before taking any damage from heat. (that is, unless the heat sensors don't cover the chip regions that are hottest - which can happen in rare cases ) |
Mistress Motion
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.21 09:54:00 -
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And then I'm pretty sure OP don't even know how to turn VSync on?
EDIT: Meaning, FORCE vsync on, it's damn useless to have over 60fps on a 60hz screen anyway. |
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2011.09.21 13:40:00 -
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The log in screen can be somewhat heavy on resources as the purpose is to display the UI quickly to let you get in as fast as possible, if your username is stored it takes about 2 seconds to log in. To allow people to log in on all kinds of computers it also has to consume very little VRAM. And of course within these constraints it has to look good too, it is a computer game after all.
So if you leave the log in screen on your computer will have done some heavy lifting and it's no surprise that it would run hot, especially if it's a laptop. Wrangler Community Team Manager - Community Arch Wizard
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2011.09.21 13:53:00 -
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CCP Wrangler wrote:The log in screen can be somewhat heavy on resources as the purpose is to display the UI quickly to let you get in as fast as possible, if your username is stored it takes about 2 seconds to log in. To allow people to log in on all kinds of computers it also has to consume very little VRAM. And of course within these constraints it has to look good too, it is a computer game after all.
So if you leave the log in screen on your computer will have done some heavy lifting and it's no surprise that it would run hot, especially if it's a laptop.
The login screen is needlessly over animated and rendered. Beyond the "wow" factor for new players and showing it off to your friends the login screen quickly loses its intended impact. Would be nice to have a checkbox so we could decide to have "The Door" as our login screen. If "The Door" is good enough for 30K customers to look at everyday multiple times a day, then it's perfectly suitable for the login screen.
Your point is moot!
However, in general, leaving a laptop on all day without adequate secondary cooling is fairly dumb to begin with. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
106
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Posted - 2011.09.21 14:09:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:While OPs post is a bit silly it's true the new client is awful especially on laptops, I litterally can't open it for more than 2 minutes as my laptop gets so hot. This everything low and CQ off
I used to run a 24" monitor off the very same laptop running eve at high res, even in space and the laptop never overheated. Now I can't even look at a .jpg of a door without it melting.
Real Issue is Real, OP is still an idiot.
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Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
7
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Posted - 2011.09.21 15:56:00 -
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My refrigerator keeps stuff extremely cold. I guess I have it set to high or something. When I have a glass of water, I put it next to the laptop exhaust fan and Eve reduces the temperature to just the right level in no time. Sometimes, I don't drink the water right away and after 10 minutes you could use it to make tea.
I leave my laptop on all the time. It never gets remotely as hot as it gets when Eve is running. It's been this way since Incarna and, to be honest, I really don't see anything that would appear to warrant taxing the computer to this degree. |
Zombatar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.21 17:22:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:My refrigerator keeps stuff extremely cold. I guess I have it set to high or something. When I have a glass of water, I put it next to the laptop exhaust fan and Eve reduces the temperature to just the right level in no time. Sometimes, I don't drink the water right away and after 10 minutes you could use it to make tea.
I leave my laptop on all the time. It never gets remotely as hot as it gets when Eve is running. It's been this way since Incarna and, to be honest, I really don't see anything that would appear to warrant taxing the computer to this degree.
Mine can make fried eggs nicely after 1 h of EVE log-in screen.
@ CCP Wrangler
While I understand your point, I fail to see the purpose of such a demanding log-in screen for the GPU when users spend "2 seconds" looking at it. It is beyond me why CCP implements such useless "features", wasting precious time that can be used for FIS.
For the benefit of a 2 second eye candy CCP burns laptops, yay for technical success. Just give me an option to disable such log-in animations and I'll shut up.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.21 17:25:00 -
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Zombatar wrote:Maxpie wrote:My refrigerator keeps stuff extremely cold. I guess I have it set to high or something. When I have a glass of water, I put it next to the laptop exhaust fan and Eve reduces the temperature to just the right level in no time. Sometimes, I don't drink the water right away and after 10 minutes you could use it to make tea.
I leave my laptop on all the time. It never gets remotely as hot as it gets when Eve is running. It's been this way since Incarna and, to be honest, I really don't see anything that would appear to warrant taxing the computer to this degree. Mine can make fried eggs nicely after 1 h of EVE log-in screen. @ CCP Wrangler While I understand your point, I fail to see the purpose of such a demanding log-in screen for the GPU when users spend " 2 seconds" looking at it. It is beyond me why CCP implements such useless "features", wasting precious time that can be used for FIS. For the benefit of a 2 second eye candy CCP burns laptops, yay for technical success. Just give me an option to disable such log-in animations and I'll shut up.
Because if they had done that from the start, you'd be complaining that the login screen was boring and CCP unimaginative, and you couldn't believe they would make such a beautiful environment in space for us to fly in, but their login screen is nothing more than a static background picture.
...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie. |
Zombatar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.21 17:28:00 -
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Mendolus wrote:Zombatar wrote:Maxpie wrote:My refrigerator keeps stuff extremely cold. I guess I have it set to high or something. When I have a glass of water, I put it next to the laptop exhaust fan and Eve reduces the temperature to just the right level in no time. Sometimes, I don't drink the water right away and after 10 minutes you could use it to make tea.
I leave my laptop on all the time. It never gets remotely as hot as it gets when Eve is running. It's been this way since Incarna and, to be honest, I really don't see anything that would appear to warrant taxing the computer to this degree. Mine can make fried eggs nicely after 1 h of EVE log-in screen. @ CCP Wrangler While I understand your point, I fail to see the purpose of such a demanding log-in screen for the GPU when users spend " 2 seconds" looking at it. It is beyond me why CCP implements such useless "features", wasting precious time that can be used for FIS. For the benefit of a 2 second eye candy CCP burns laptops, yay for technical success. Just give me an option to disable such log-in animations and I'll shut up. Because if they had done that from the start, you'd be complaining that the login screen was boring and CCP unimaginative, and you couldn't believe they would make such a beautiful environment in space for us to fly in, but their login screen is nothing more than a static background picture.
I had no previous issues with any EVE log-in pages pre-Incarna. They all looked fine and did not burn my laptop. This is not a troll thread, it is a honest issue in my eyes. |
Catlos JeminJees
E.M.P. Industries Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.21 17:43:00 -
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Mendolus wrote:Zombatar wrote:Maxpie wrote:My refrigerator keeps stuff extremely cold. I guess I have it set to high or something. When I have a glass of water, I put it next to the laptop exhaust fan and Eve reduces the temperature to just the right level in no time. Sometimes, I don't drink the water right away and after 10 minutes you could use it to make tea.
I leave my laptop on all the time. It never gets remotely as hot as it gets when Eve is running. It's been this way since Incarna and, to be honest, I really don't see anything that would appear to warrant taxing the computer to this degree. Mine can make fried eggs nicely after 1 h of EVE log-in screen. @ CCP Wrangler While I understand your point, I fail to see the purpose of such a demanding log-in screen for the GPU when users spend " 2 seconds" looking at it. It is beyond me why CCP implements such useless "features", wasting precious time that can be used for FIS. For the benefit of a 2 second eye candy CCP burns laptops, yay for technical success. Just give me an option to disable such log-in animations and I'll shut up. Because if they had done that from the start, you'd be complaining that the login screen was boring and CCP unimaginative, and you couldn't believe they would make such a beautiful environment in space for us to fly in, but their login screen is nothing more than a static background picture.
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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.09.21 17:49:00 -
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CCP Wrangler wrote:The log in screen can be somewhat heavy on resources as the purpose is to display the UI quickly to let you get in as fast as possible, if your username is stored it takes about 2 seconds to log in. To allow people to log in on all kinds of computers it also has to consume very little VRAM. And of course within these constraints it has to look good too, it is a computer game after all.
So if you leave the log in screen on your computer will have done some heavy lifting and it's no surprise that it would run hot, especially if it's a laptop.
... it should be heavy upon loading ... not after having loaded! If people look at it for 2 seconds, it doesn't have to look great ... your new forum backgrounds are just fine and they don't cook machines. |
Satav
Latinum Exports
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Posted - 2011.09.21 17:54:00 -
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Zombatar wrote:I opened EVE this morning to change my skills, then logged off and left home while my laptop still had the client running with the log in page.
I rest my case. I stopped reading after this...............
I understand that hardware demands have increased quite a bit since the last expansion. But seriously?
You don't expect a blender to chop up your food, cook your meal, hand feed your meal, wash the dishes, put the dishes away and put in a movie do you? So why would you expect a laptop to? ___________________________________________________________________________________________________
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.21 18:01:00 -
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KaarBaak wrote:DevBlog wrote:We know that itGÇÿs annoying as hell logging into a station on a craptop trying to sort out some market orders and feel it slowly roasting your lap while it renders your pencil skirt-wearing Caldari commander lady. We are addressing this now. They're all over it.
This To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.09.21 18:23:00 -
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To anyone with the mental processing ppwer to notice miliseconds it is clear that client performance has gone to sh*t over the years. But as long as Hilmar can buy a new jet every year who cares what the actual quality of the product is like.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.21 18:34:00 -
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Zombatar wrote: I had no previous issues with any EVE log-in pages pre-Incarna. They all looked fine and did not burn my laptop. This is not a troll thread, it is a honest issue in my eyes.
I agree it is an honest issue, and similar to what happened when they axed the Classic Client years ago.
People were shaking their fists at CCP saying they couldn't play the game anymore now that they were forced to use the Premium Client and how dare CCP do this to loyal customers!
This situation is of course, slightly different in the fact that, CCP has already admitted there are performance issues, and they are looking into it.
What more did you expect? A fruit basket?
Wait your turn in line for them to fix an outstanding issue for subscribers in your position or do not play the game. Your alternatives are to come here and throw a fit...
...are you not entertained? ...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie. |
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.09.21 18:44:00 -
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Because a screen ful of 2d windows and hud icons needs graphics that accellerate global warming. EVE is what it is and all this poor performance crap is because hilmar is resentful that he flunked out of Space Camp. |
Barakkus
701
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Posted - 2011.09.21 21:15:00 -
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If you are going to game from a laptop you really should use this. You can leave EVE running all day long with this particular model and your laptop will be no hotter than it would be from turning it on and letting it idle for 5 minutes. I've used this cooler for a few years now, and it's probably the best one on the market. |
Trolls Troll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.21 22:59:00 -
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barrakus, arent you fighting with the cpu fan for airflow then (seeing as most laptops get their cool air from the bottom)?
And seeing as hot air rises, all your doing is preventing cool air from actually entering the laptop from the bottom? unless the fan is strong enough to draw air through the keyboard, im not really sure what airflow your getting?
But if it works for you i guess? |
Zombatar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.09.21 23:19:00 -
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Anyway, I hope CCP considers this when they develop future expansions. This is an issue of poor optimisation not bad hardware. Thanks for all the replies. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.09.21 23:23:00 -
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I have private nuclear powerplant running outside my house just to provide enough power for my incarna craptop. I wonder who will pay the upkeep? Should I file a petition? Forum fix for firefox and chrome Get working images and colored text Classic forum style 2.25final |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.22 04:40:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:I have private nuclear power plant running outside my house just to provide enough power for my incarna craptop. I wonder who will pay the upkeep? Should I file a petition?
650 watt power supply. quad processor 2 graphics cards 2 monitors 2048 x 1152 24" screens 2 hard drives 4 case fans 120 mm
Has no issues running multiple accounts at 60 FPS (interval set to one)
UPS says it is pulling 320 watts.
Building your own computer is well worth the time and effort. Cost less and you have no issues, and the only one you can blame if there is a issue, is yourself.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.22 08:43:00 -
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CCP has no concept of throttling... Seriously, I've long _LONG_ wanted some way to manually set max FPS outside of the 4 intervals.
It's not a hard feature to implement and it would make life with EVE+laptop much more comfortable and battery-friendly. E.g. 5 to 10 FPS is more than enough for someone who's just trading in station or AP'ing through high-sec.
Same goes for the login screen... You don't need 60 fps there. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
Saurai
Relocation Production Equipment And Resupply
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 12:47:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:CCP has no concept of throttling... Seriously, I've long _LONG_ wanted some way to manually set max FPS outside of the 4 intervals.
It's not a hard feature to implement and it would make life with EVE+laptop much more comfortable and battery-friendly. E.g. 5 to 10 FPS is more than enough for someone who's just trading in station or AP'ing through high-sec.
Same goes for the login screen... You don't need 60 fps there.
isboxer/innerspace is a multiboxing application that allows you to throttle your FPS. Even lets you set different clients to a different FPS depending on which one is "active". In case you multibox multiple clients. Can also dedicate processor cores to individual clients. Worth looking at. |
Chris LJ
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 13:04:00 -
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So the salesman told you the laptop is good for gaming, you believed him, and now you are throwing toys out of the pram? |
Mai Kusoni
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.09.22 13:11:00 -
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Saurai wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:CCP has no concept of throttling... Seriously, I've long _LONG_ wanted some way to manually set max FPS outside of the 4 intervals.
It's not a hard feature to implement and it would make life with EVE+laptop much more comfortable and battery-friendly. E.g. 5 to 10 FPS is more than enough for someone who's just trading in station or AP'ing through high-sec.
Same goes for the login screen... You don't need 60 fps there. isboxer/innerspace is a multiboxing application that allows you to throttle your FPS. Even lets you set different clients to a different FPS depending on which one is "active". In case you multibox multiple clients. Can also dedicate processor cores to individual clients. Worth looking at.
Wow, very nice. I'll have to look into those! |
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