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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:02:00 -
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from what I've read about all that stuff dust seems to have pretty the same F2P model like Tribes: Ascend there. Skill (XP) boosters, sidegrade weapons. Nothing game breaking for real money but time advantage, all stuff is accessible for non-paying customers which however need a lot of time to unlock things. |
Threshner
Fleetworks Soldiers Of New Eve
14
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:08:00 -
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Pay to win is when someone gets a item or advantage that free players cannot get.
You may get sp faster with items if you pay but someone without the items can get to the same point as you without paying.
Your definition of pay to win is different then most it seems. Pay to win in most peoples eyes is a item or effect that FTP players are unable to obtain and give the person who bought the item a advantage that the ftp players will never be able to obtain.
Seeing as Plex's in eve online are available to be placed on the market one can assume that the AUR items can be placed on the market in DUST as well. If this is the case then every player can obtain every item with isk.
Assuming every item (Including AUR items) can be placed and bought for isk how is the game pay to win?
^^^^ not really assuming... we are dealing with ccp who already makes plenty of money off PLEX's and has never been thought of being p2w |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.07 03:31:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:highonpop wrote:Dust is supposed to be 100% free right? And not be able to purchase anything that would give you a 'tangible' edge over someone else. ie pay-to-win.
The mercenary pack gives you +50% exp and special weapons... and you have to pay for it. For the record, I am probably going to get it. But it just seems like pretty bad PR already and the game isnt even out yet...
Is this just for the BETA? Or it is intended to kick in when the game comes out? I guess that would be the deciding factor if this is breaking the "NO pay-to-win" promise. 'Special' weapons doesn't mean better, it means slightly different.
And even then, not as good as best gear, which is in game only. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Gallion
Outer Sector IDENTITY UNKN0WN
610
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Posted - 2012.07.07 07:08:00 -
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not sure how many are In-Game of beta but anyone else guilty of Buying all the items? so I say jus one thing the Aurum items... they kinda suck. the only thing "cool" out of the Merc Pack was the unique Armor with 1 extra mid-slot... woot. seriously this game is pretty balanced ATM aurum just make u look good doing things. thats all. This is a Signature, It makes people Stare. (Man I gotta Make one , or Find one to steal) |
Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
35
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Posted - 2012.07.10 12:12:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Dust is supposed to be 100% free right? And not be able to purchase anything that would give you a 'tangible' edge over someone else. ie pay-to-win.
The mercenary pack gives you +50% exp and special weapons... and you have to pay for it. For the record, I am probably going to get it. But it just seems like pretty bad PR already and the game isnt even out yet...
Is this just for the BETA? Or it is intended to kick in when the game comes out? I guess that would be the deciding factor if this is breaking the "NO pay-to-win" promise.
Why do you care?
During first 2-3 weeks after game will be launched there will be tons of Auto Aim and Wallhack avaible. For free. Just like in BF3. |
Fioda Skiza
Exiles of the Stars
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Posted - 2012.07.10 13:04:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote: During first 2-3 weeks after game will be launched there will be tons of Auto Aim and Wallhack avaible. For free. Just like in BF3.
FAIL There are no hacks on PS3. I belive that's one of the reasons D514 is not released on PC. |
ISquishWorms
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:36:00 -
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Glad I found this thread it has helped me decided if to resub my chars. |
BalarKel
Blue Sun Enterprises Imperius Legio Victrix
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Posted - 2012.07.11 20:29:00 -
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The arguments are moot. This game looks like a 1995 kiddie shooter compared to Eve. Terrible, just rotten bad. Don't play it and encourage this kind of console atrocity.
It's a stain on CCP's resume. They should be ashamed for contemplating this steaming pile let alone actually putting it out. |
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.13 10:50:00 -
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BalarKel wrote:The arguments are moot. This game looks like a 1995 kiddie shooter compared to Eve. Terrible, just rotten bad. Don't play it and encourage this kind of console atrocity.
It's a stain on CCP's resume. They should be ashamed for contemplating this steaming pile let alone actually putting it out.
Your valuable, deeply insightful expertise opinion is noted. |
Switch Huren
EPSYLON FORCE AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2012.07.16 19:17:00 -
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i just want to make a hypothetical comparison here to eve. if a friend and i started playing eve at the same time, trained the exact same skills at the same time etc. and i decided to buy plex cards on the eve website and sell them for isk to buy the +5 stat enhancers to lower my training times i may train my skills faster but the difference isnt really that game breaking, for example, before getting the +5 implants training for a titan may take 50 days, after getting the +5 implants it takes about 48.5 days (i dont know the actual numbers here off hand, so im just making them up for an example). so allowing for a titan 1.5 days sooner than my friend doesnt really mean a whole lot. it would be different if it was a week or two. from my understanding this sp booster in dust is only 30 days and you have to actually play the game to aquire some of the sp`s (like for guns/vehicles etc.). besides, this +50% increase isnt really that big of a deal if you only get normally 1000sp/match without it (again no idea, just pulling numbers, im not even in beta so i dont really know anything about the game play other than the videos). and besides someone who has the +50% increase to sp might not do that good and only get say 750sp (500 sp + the 50% bonus) vs. someone that dominated the match getting 1000-1500sp without the boost. something that would be pay to win would be allowing the top end gear/weapons/vehicles etc to be bought and used instantly (another example from eve would be allowing the use and equipping of a titan the first day you started playing the game because you paid for it). anywho enough of my ranting. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.07.16 19:19:00 -
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BalarKel wrote:The arguments are moot. This game looks like a 1995 kiddie shooter compared to Eve. Terrible, just rotten bad. Don't play it and encourage this kind of console atrocity.
It's a stain on CCP's resume. They should be ashamed for contemplating this steaming pile let alone actually putting it out.
This guy seems like a legitimate, unbiased observer. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
MidnightWyvern
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.07.19 02:39:00 -
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Kail Toronus wrote:Unless characters in beta aren't being wiped, why would you pay for anything during a beta phase? If you've got that much money to flush down the toilet, send it my way.
Not that I have any clue on if beta characters are being kept or not, but most betas do a complete wipe before launch. So spend that money all you want, you'll get exactly nothing to show for it in the long run; unless beta characters are being kept in which case beta characters will already be WAY ahead of anyone else coming in at or after launch. They've told us that we get those things back after the game launches, and I actually think that info was also in a DevBlog, as well as on the page with the link to the Merc Pack itself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=eaUaJUhTZfw#t=148s An excellent example of why pod killmails are the best feature to be implemented in EVE Online since warping at zero. |
Milla Lekarariba
Mustang Freight and Industry
15
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Posted - 2012.07.25 10:47:00 -
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I think everyone is forgetting something here..
CCP is a business
DUST is FREE to play..
businesses need to make money
EVE has sub.. DUST has items, it seems,
just what is the big deal?
in eve you can effectively p2w, buy plexs... to buy character...
Grow up... jeez am I really part of this community? |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
176
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Posted - 2012.07.25 11:12:00 -
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paying irl money form exp boost just compensates the fact that some one has real life job and he can not play 24/7 |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.07.26 17:33:00 -
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What promise?
They promised that there wont be any 'golden bullet/guns' that are beter than everythign else.
They also promised they will not sell anything in the aurum store that you cannot obtain by outside means, which includes time invesments and isk costs. Thus anything you can buy such as early skill temporary access can be deminised with time and effort and rendered no longer needed over time.
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a newbie
tech-legion AAA Citizens
17
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Posted - 2012.07.27 23:28:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Dust is supposed to be 100% free right? And not be able to purchase anything that would give you a 'tangible' edge over someone else. ie pay-to-win.
The mercenary pack gives you +50% exp and special weapons... and you have to pay for it. For the record, I am probably going to get it. But it just seems like pretty bad PR already and the game isnt even out yet...
Is this just for the BETA? Or it is intended to kick in when the game comes out? I guess that would be the deciding factor if this is breaking the "NO pay-to-win" promise.
Ok this again? Play the game or dont talk about something you clearly dont understand. The NDA prevents me from saying much about it, but if you talk to those who are in the beta and play more then casually can attest that there is NO PAY TO WIN in this game. Not even close.
Check twitter they are handing out loads of codes on there. Get one, stop complaining before you even try it. If an idea is logically sound, then be constructive about it. -áIf an idea is illogically sound, burn it down. -áRational thought and utility is everything... Oh and fire. |
Kithrus
Deus Fides Empire Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.29 13:00:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Jack Paladin wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:Lord Okinaba wrote:A lot of in denial people around these parts... those of us in the beta don't seem to be worried. I have faith CCP will do it right. Agreed to this. I am in the BETA as well. And I'm pumped for the game. But its bad PR to say its not pay-2-win and then make it possible to purchase (with IRL $$$) a skill booster. IF the skill point booster was bought with ISK there I would have never even made this thread.
Any what stops an EvE player dropping money for a plex then cashing it then giving the money to a merc? |
XNordak BalremX
First United Brotherhood Mayhem.
0
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:24:00 -
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Nope, no P2W in there, mostly just cosmetic aur items....
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MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1051
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Posted - 2012.07.30 08:48:00 -
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BalarKel wrote:The arguments are moot. This game looks like a 1995 kiddie shooter compared to Eve. Terrible, just rotten bad. Don't play it and encourage this kind of console atrocity.
It's a stain on CCP's resume. They should be ashamed for contemplating this steaming pile let alone actually putting it out.
lol, you mean when the game didn't know what distance were you were from objects and rendered everything super blurred out? it was a bug, this is why they said NDA. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Arkturus McFadden
Sonoran Shadow Black Mesa Complex
142
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Posted - 2012.07.31 22:27:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Dust is supposed to be 100% free right? And not be able to purchase anything that would give you a 'tangible' edge over someone else. ie pay-to-win.
The mercenary pack gives you +50% exp and special weapons... and you have to pay for it. For the record, I am probably going to get it. But it just seems like pretty bad PR already and the game isnt even out yet...
Is this just for the BETA? Or it is intended to kick in when the game comes out? I guess that would be the deciding factor if this is breaking the "NO pay-to-win" promise.
Sorry, it's still free to play.
Micro transaction is optional.
And on top of that, a bunch of noobies with a good commander and orbital support will win matches any day over the micro transaction players with no such perks to their team I'm sure. |
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TEABO BAGGINS
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.08.01 14:13:00 -
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i already made a kid rage on the mic, he didn't get his kill because of me, and we're still in beta!
dust will provide epic tears and fuel EVE ships for eons to come, dust will provide. |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
47
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Posted - 2012.08.02 12:23:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:autoaim for aurum would be pay to win
No it would not, as your aim bot is free and can do the same ;-) Not to speak off your own skill.
Pay to Win are options which can not be achieved otherwise. Extra damage without balancing disadvantages , upgrades instead of sidegrades, etc.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1715
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Posted - 2012.08.05 10:52:00 -
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I'd like to remind all the "OMG DUST IS PAY TO WIN" folks that back in the DUST 514 presentation, we were told that DUST would have some basic suits and weapons that would be "like a rookie ship" so that you can never be forced out backwards. Remember that you can spawn as many rookie ships as you could ever want (and then some), but they're not exactly the kind of thing you'd use for L4 missions (I've run many L2 missions, but the ones with missiles kill me every time).
Now if we were to look at EVE, what would you say about people flying rookie ships into Faction Warfare fights and complaining that the people flying Rifters and Punishers are gaining an unfair advantage by paying ISK to win fights?
Now have a look at your argument here: in a Free To Play game, the people who pay the equivalent of a subscription fee a month are going to have plenty of ISK to spend on better quality gear. They will win fights because their maller-equivalent tank is able to take and deal much more damage than your velator-equivalent poverty suit with it's civilian blaster.
So yes, DUST is Pay To Win, just like EVE. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.08.05 13:13:00 -
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I wont be getting anything from the AUR store or anyother micro transactions, but i'm happy with what i've seen. no real advantage and the XP boost is good for people with busy lives. |
Tiberius StarGazer
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.08 11:32:00 -
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Wow, a lot of hate for the Free To Play Model on here.
Dust is Free to Play, as in anyone can play it, but certain elements are payable.
Now, yes you can get a booster by paying for AUR, which last for a certain amount of time. But nothing playing an extra game for every 2 you play wont fix. So you dont have to pay for it if you dont want to. I pay for the skill booster.
Also items in the game give you unique looking items and access to more advanced versions of the ones before you earn the skill level to use them. But again, yo dont have to pay for it if you dont want to. I do not pay for weapons or kit.
You can, if you want pay to get a head start, but thats all it does. If you dont spend any money you have to invest more time, but that is all.
Dont see what the moaning is about. |
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