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Ryne Hyperion
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.02.20 21:54:00 -
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I have an aging netbook that I'm looking to replace, and I'd like to have something that would be able to comfortably play EVE on the go. From what I've read, back before the graphic overhaul it was perfectly feasible to play EVE on an integrated Intel graphics chip -- no longer the case!
The NVIDIA ION GPU solution seems like it could work -- specifically, I'm looking at the ASUS Eee PC 1201N ( http://www.amazon.com/Seashell-1201N-PU17-BK-12-1-Inch-Black-Netbook/dp/B002ZLOR56 ). The thing has a dual core Intel Atom and the aforementioned ION chipset.
That being said, does anyone have any experience playing EVE on the ION chipset? I'd like to get some feedback from some people who have used it before committing to anything.
Thanks! :D
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2010.02.20 22:07:00 -
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IT'S A ****ING NETBOOK.
I know this will most likely get me banned again. But this is a NET BOOK. Meaning it's meant to connect to and browse the NET. It's NOT a gaming laptop.
For christs sake. Get a REAL GAMING LAPTOP. The DAY you buy that thing, you'll love it. Then within a week you'll be complaining to CCP that they should dumb down the game for your NETBOOK.
Don't be stupid. Buy an actual GAMEING LAPTOP.
Here. Heres a BUDGET gaming laptop. Buy that. You see the IMPORTANT thing. It has a REAL grapics chip in it. It's NOT touted as a NETBOOK. It's a GAMEING laptop. See the difference?
Don't like dell? There are THOUSANDS of laptops out there that will work for gaming.
sigh. I'm sorry that this is so confrontational, but the simple thing is you are trying to cram a football team into a hatchback to go to the game.
You're trying to put a case of pop into your pants pocket.
You're trying to sail across the ocean in a garbage can.
You're trying to eat diner with a rock.
You're trying to kill a dear with a teddy bear.
These all sound like stupid idea's don't they?
So does useing a netbook for gaming.
Do you see what I'm getting at? Net books are for BROWSING THE NET. NOT FOR GAMING. Otherwise, they'd call them GAMING LAPTOPS.
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Mival
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Posted - 2010.02.20 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Mival on 20/02/2010 22:17:48
Eve should perform ok on an ION system. I've run Eve on my self built ION media PC through my TV (at 1920x1080 resolution). The frame rates wern't great but it was playable. I'm sure at the native resolution of a netbook's screen it would be better.
However, I wouldn't like to do long term gaming on a netbook as it probably cant deal with the heat build up over extended periods. For gaming, I'd always say get a desktop.
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Denras
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Posted - 2010.02.20 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Denras on 20/02/2010 22:20:11
Though i dont play eve on a net bok as say i did for a long time play on some random HP laptop, all stock. But now upgrading to this around 11 inches depending on your budget could be worth a look for on he go. But no feed back on the ION, just saying you could get some more constructive feed back if you described what your budget is, if you even have one!?!?
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.02.20 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 20/02/2010 22:23:11
Originally by: Cors
IT'S A ****ING NETBOOK.
<edit: snipped for brevity>
Do you see what I'm getting at? Net books are for BROWSING THE NET. NOT FOR GAMING. Otherwise, they'd call them GAMING LAPTOPS.
clearly a measured and properly proportionate response to the op. I mean, he was merely asking whether a netbook was a good choice, and your HALF CAPSLOCK FLAMEPOST of this STUPID IDIOT WHO ASKED A FAIR AND REASONABLE QUESTION ON THE INTERNET is definitely warranted
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Ryne Hyperion
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.02.20 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Ryne Hyperion on 20/02/2010 22:21:47
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IT'S A ****ING NETBOOK.
I know this will most likely get me banned again. But this is a NET BOOK. Meaning it's meant to connect to and browse the NET. It's NOT a gaming laptop.
For christs sake. Get a REAL GAMING LAPTOP. The DAY you buy that thing, you'll love it. Then within a week you'll be complaining to CCP that they should dumb down the game for your NETBOOK.
Don't be stupid. Buy an actual GAMEING LAPTOP.
Here. Heres a BUDGET gaming laptop. Buy that. You see the IMPORTANT thing. It has a REAL grapics chip in it. It's NOT touted as a NETBOOK. It's a GAMEING laptop. See the difference?
Don't like dell? There are THOUSANDS of laptops out there that will work for gaming.
sigh. I'm sorry that this is so confrontational, but the simple thing is you are trying to cram a football team into a hatchback to go to the game.
You're trying to put a case of pop into your pants pocket.
You're trying to sail across the ocean in a garbage can.
You're trying to eat diner with a rock.
You're trying to kill a dear with a teddy bear.
These all sound like stupid idea's don't they?
So does useing a netbook for gaming.
Do you see what I'm getting at? Net books are for BROWSING THE NET. NOT FOR GAMING. Otherwise, they'd call them GAMING LAPTOPS.
As you obviously do not understand anything about the NVIDIA ION, I'm not going to take anything you've said into consideration. I have a rather powerful desktop rig that I do for my core gaming -- I'm looking for a supplementary netbook that has the ability to log on to EVE and do some pretty basic tasks.
As for the ION itself, I've read reports of the chipset getting significant frame rates in earlier generation games such as Half Life 2, BioShock (1), and Oblivion. EVE, in general, tends to have much lower system requirements than the latest and greatest games, so perhaps it's easier for you to understand why I want first-hand experience on the issue, not ignorant ... I don't even know what it is you're doing, except that it's exceedingly ignorant.
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coolzero
Gallente
Dutch Federation Player Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.20 22:24:00 -
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i have a hp mini 31 with ION
it runs eve just fine(you can check youtube of this netbook running crysis and other games(like gta4)
just remember its a netbook so it will run games but usualy on lower setting and not at 60 fps
i only use it when im on vacation/visiting people and i want to play a little then i can, its not to replace my gaming gear.
Jack of all trades, master of none...
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Ryne Hyperion
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.02.20 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: coolzero
i have a hp mini 31 with ION
it runs eve just fine(you can check youtube of this netbook running crysis and other games(like gta4)
just remember its a netbook so it will run games but usualy on lower setting and not at 60 fps
i only use it when im on vacation/visiting people and i want to play a little then i can, its not to replace my gaming gear.
Exactly what I was looking for, and pretty much what I'll be using it for, too. I just want to have something that I can hop onto for a bit and do some ratting and/or trading while I'm visiting my parents, or stuck in an airport terminal, not something that I'm going to go do corp fleet ops with.
Thanks!
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2010.02.20 23:17:00 -
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Sorry if my post is harsh in the wording. But I've seen dozens of posts over the last 6 years in eve all about laptops. And almost all of them are about BUDGET laptops. What they are called varies from year to year, budget, student, business, cheap, netbooks. The Single thread in all of them are that they are based on the bare minimum a person can use to play eve on.
And in every post, there are dozens of well spoken, well worded, well researched answers, and at the end of it all, price is always the deciding factor.
NOT performance.
And because of this, I've noticed that over 50% of the people who complain about eve's missing medium shaders, classic client and the need for a bare bones client, if you do a search for their names, you will find that almost all of them asked about a particular laptop/chipset on THESE forums, and were told that the system they were buying is underpowered, and could JUST barely run EVE AT THAT TIME, yet they STILL went out and bought them.
If you are going to be replaceing that laptop in 9 months, they yes, a netbook "will do".
IF on the otherhand you are like almost every single laptop buyer on here, you are instead going to use that laptop for 2+ years, then by next christmas(Most likely a LOT sooner) you are going to be regretting it.
I could go all technical, about chipsets, speeds, performance, graphs, charts, and so on, but in the end, you are going to buy a cheap netbook, as that's what you had in the past, and it's what you're asking about.
I gave you a link to a basic gaming laptop. Did you even click the link? Did you even SEE the difference? Or did you just take my confrontational and HONEST UPFRONT NO BULL**** post, and brush me off as a flake?
Be honest. Did you even LOOK at Gaming laptops? Or are you focused on a netbook? Or did you start sorting by price, and go from there?
pay 500$ on a net book and then be unhappy with it inside of 3 months, or $800-$1200 on a gaming laptop with a discreet graphics card, and a full processor with decent ram and a real hdd and be happy for the next 2 years.
With a MAJOR set of additions to EVE coming in the next year(incarna/WIS/whatever they wanna call it now, as well as the tie in with DUST 514) you'll be seeing some MAJOR grapical eyecandy coming in the following year.
Don't skimp on a laptop now, and be the person this fall who complains about EVE's performance "on a laptop that's only 6 months old" like hundreds of others on these forums.
"Adequate" is NOT enough for a computer. Adequate is JUST enough to run the game NOW. Look to your future, and you will save your self money AND happyness in the long run.
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Furion iV
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.20 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cors
Stuff
Have you even read the OP or any of the subsequent replies?
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Ryne Hyperion
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.02.20 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cors
I could go all technical, about chipsets, speeds, performance, graphs, charts, and so on,
Please do.
Originally by: Cors
I gave you a link to a basic gaming laptop. Did you even click the link? Did you even SEE the difference?
Yes, I did. I saw the Alienware before even posting on this board.
Originally by: Cors
Or did you just take my confrontational and HONEST UPFRONT NO BULL**** post, and brush me off as a flake?
I did that, too.
Here's the thing, Cors: I have an Intel Q6600 quad-core CPU with an Nvidia Geforce GTX 260 OC and 4GB of RAM in my desktop machine. I have three monitors plugged into it. That is what I do 90% of my work on, whether for work or for play.
Here's why I am not taking your advice: I do not need a gaming laptop, budget or otherwise. I already have a gaming desktop that plays games much better than most of the 'gaming' laptops out there.
As I already said -- and you obviously did not read -- I am not planning on using this for a fleet op running machine. There will probably be instances where I only sign on to chat with my corp-mates. It would be nice if I could do some leisurely ratting or mining while logged into EVE while on the thing, which is why I'm looking for first-hand experience with it.
All of that aside, I did not ask for recommendations on a gaming laptop. I asked for first hand experience with the Nvidia Ion. You do not have first hand experience with the Nvidia Ion.
So please. Stop talking.
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2010.02.20 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: Cors on 21/02/2010 00:03:46
EDIT: Screw it. No one listens. My appologies to everyone, have a nice day.
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Ryne Hyperion
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.02.21 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ryne Hyperion on 21/02/2010 00:05:06
Originally by: Cors
then you know enough to make your own decisions on a laptop purchase.
And I was not asking for buying advice, per se. I was asking how Eve ran on the thing. Most mainstream hardware sites do not run framerate/peformance tests with Eve, because it's not quite as mainstream/cutting edge as, say, Modern Warfare 2, Fallout 3, or Arkham Asylum. Thus leading me to ask the opinions of people on this board about performance, not "Should I buy an Nvidia Ion," though I suppose I can understand how it may have been interpreted that way.
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2010.02.21 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ryne Hyperion
Edited by: Ryne Hyperion on 21/02/2010 00:05:06
Originally by: Cors
then you know enough to make your own decisions on a laptop purchase.
And I was not asking for buying advice, per se. I was asking how Eve ran on the thing. Most mainstream hardware sites do not run framerate/peformance tests with Eve, because it's not quite as mainstream/cutting edge as, say, Modern Warfare 2, Fallout 3, or Arkham Asylum. Thus leading me to ask the opinions of people on this board about performance, not "Should I buy an Nvidia Ion," though I suppose I can understand how it may have been interpreted that way.
One telling thing, is that most of those same sites don't run benchmarks with games on netbooks. A Rare few do, but the benchmarks are usually on older games. With the graphics that are coming with Incarna(WIS/whatever they wanna call it) we'll most likely see a bump in the minimum suggested requirements like we did with the last graphical upgrade. Oddly enough, most of them mention it running WOW, but don't really talk about it's performance.
There's nothing WRONG with the Ion, it's more the Atom processor. I've used a few at work(Not that PC brand though) and I've just found them underpowered for basic use, so i don't see how it would be adequate for gaming. To log on and change skills, chat, haul, maybe even mission it may work(dunno about the larger missions with 50+ npc's on the screen though).
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Ryne Hyperion
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.02.21 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ryne Hyperion on 21/02/2010 00:29:59
Originally by: Cors
One telling thing, is that most of those same sites don't run benchmarks with games on netbooks. A Rare few do, but the benchmarks are usually on older games. With the graphics that are coming with Incarna(WIS/whatever they wanna call it) we'll most likely see a bump in the minimum suggested requirements like we did with the last graphical upgrade. Oddly enough, most of them mention it running WOW, but don't really talk about it's performance.
There's nothing WRONG with the Ion, it's more the Atom processor. I've used a few at work(Not that PC brand though) and I've just found them underpowered for basic use, so i don't see how it would be adequate for gaming. To log on and change skills, chat, haul, maybe even mission it may work(dunno about the larger missions with 50+ npc's on the screen though).
I've got an MSI Wind U100 right now running OS X and I'm able to log into Eve and do basic things like chat and change skills and view market details -- albeit with all settings turned down as far as they'll go, and having a static station background. And this thing has only 2GB of RAM. This is vs the 4GB max in the particular ASUS model I'm looking at, plus a dual core CPU and the GPU. It gets 20FPS in Arkham Asylum at 1024x768, which is better than some low end, full-power CPU laptops can do.
And they HAVE been benchmarking games on netbooks, if you go to the right sites. Higher end games won't even run on some of the GMA950 laptops (understandable), but on these Ions, they've been getting relatively impressive scores.
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Aralieus
Amarr
Rising Devils
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.21 01:56:00 -
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Found this dood using a netbook for eve:
Linkage
I dont know why some ppl get so emo about it, its your 15 bucks a month. I have never played Eve on a destop, ever, and I have been playing since 06' off and on. Get you a cooling pad tho cause it will generate some heat. Also a dedicated graphics card will be very beneficial when going portable, dont get that allocated or dynamic crap. If you have to get shared then this will show you how to get more memory to it. Use that at your own risk, however if your computer saavy then you shouldnt have a problem. Another thing is Ready Boost, get you a 4-8 gig flashcard and plug it in to get more memory.
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Vivian Azure
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Posted - 2010.02.21 02:01:00 -
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I'm playing EvE on a Zotac ITX A-E Atom 330, which has an ION-chipset. 2.5" 5400RPM HDD and 2GB DDR2 800 RAM.
Works at 1280x1024 like a charm, with details turned down.
So with the specs of the Netbook you linked there, it shouldn't be a problem at all.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.21 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cors
Edited by: Cors on 21/02/2010 00:08:45
IT'S A ****ING NETBOOK.
I know this will most likely get me banned again. But this is a NET BOOK. Meaning it's meant to connect to and browse the NET. It's NOT a gaming laptop.
For christs sake. Get a REAL GAMING LAPTOP. The DAY you buy that thing, you'll love it. Then within a week you'll be complaining to CCP that they should dumb down the game for your NETBOOK.
Don't be stupid. Buy an actual GAMEING LAPTOP.
Here. Heres a BUDGET gaming laptop. Buy that. You see the IMPORTANT thing. It has a REAL grapics chip in it. It's NOT touted as a NETBOOK. It's a GAMEING laptop. See the difference?
Don't like dell? There are THOUSANDS of laptops out there that will work for gaming.
sigh. I'm sorry that this is so confrontational, but the simple thing is you are trying to cram a football team into a hatchback to go to the game.
You're trying to put a case of pop into your pants pocket.
You're trying to sail across the ocean in a garbage can.
You're trying to eat diner with a rock.
You're trying to kill a dear with a teddy bear.
These all sound like stupid idea's don't they?
So does useing a netbook for gaming.
Do you see what I'm getting at? Net books are for BROWSING THE NET. NOT FOR GAMING. Otherwise, they'd call them GAMING LAPTOPS.
EDIT: I removed my other posts, why, because it the conversation was getting off topic.
I give up trying to discourage folks from getting systems that are "good enough"
Now, I made the above response with the understanding this was your only computer. Later you say you have two and that this will be the extra. Next time, say that so folks can offer advice based on the full info.
I'll not delete this post, as the advice is still honest. The netbook you're looking at will be "good enough" for alternate use if you are using a desktop for your primary play. For someone who this will be their only computer it's NOT enough, not by far.
1. If you're going to troll, have the common decency to use correct grammar and punctuation.
2. If you're going to troll, have the common decency to have the first clue on the subject you're trying to troll.
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Jabezhane
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Posted - 2010.02.22 12:06:00 -
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I run Eve just fine on a laptop with 1.3Ghz dual core CULV CPU with the Nvidia 105M graphics (about the same as ION iirc).
I even get playable results at max settings on 13x7.
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Slade Hoo
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2010.02.22 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Hoo on 22/02/2010 12:42:45
I prefer Neutrons over Ions tbh!
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Lord Zap
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.02.22 14:27:00 -
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@ OP
I too considered the Asus 1201N Netbook for similar purposes as you (EVE, HON and maybe a bit of ninja video) and while it will perform these tasks no problem the battery is a real issue. If you are logged into EVE or similar expect your battery to deplete in anything between 2-3 hours which for me is simply unnaceptable. If you are stuck in an airport terminal you might be waiting around for more than this and it is not always possible to have access to a plug socket. But I'm sure you are aware of these issues if you did your research.
My advice: increase your budget and get a laptop with a CULV processor and hybrid graphics. Will offer better performance, battery life and similar portability.
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Buer Naxx
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Posted - 2010.03.04 13:59:00 -
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I have an ASUS Eee PC 1201N and it runs eve just fine, I do not however use it as my main system.
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Brew ha
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Posted - 2010.03.04 14:13:00 -
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You should be fine, I use a Dell Mini 9 (much older netbook) for changing skills etc. on the go, so an ION based system should be fine on low/medium settings, you may even get away with doing a few missions or some light PvP.
Also noticed that the model you are looking at has a resolution of 1366x768. This is a good choice, as it will give you that bit more screen real estate, especially with a UI-heavy game like EvE. Many netbooks still ship with a 1024x600 Resolution which can be unpractical at times, and IIRC isn't an officially supported by EvE (although there are workarounds).
Don't expect the world, but at the same time, it should do nicely 
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Birdman Ravo
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.03.04 16:44:00 -
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You should be fine FOR NOW. The question this raises is 1) How long will you have the laptop and 2) How many expansions is that gonna be?
In a strange, sad way I agree with Cors. Look at something that's overkill right now, and it will be adequate in the future.
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merlini 2
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Posted - 2010.03.04 17:40:00 -
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There's this thread in the correct forum about ION and EVE.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1230347
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