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ChrisDude70
Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.02.21 09:42:00 -
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- Sorry about the lack of content in my last post, blame a combination of lag and fail- Anyway...
I am trying to explain the value of ISK to a friend that plays WoW. I would like your opinions on how many ISK is equal to 1 Gold/silver/whatever else they use in that game.
Thanks.
Oh, and I might add, this is my signature. |
Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.21 09:52:00 -
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In what sense?
Do you want the illegal (ISK-to-$-to-Gold) conversion? Do you want some kind of high-end cost equivalent (epix vs. meta-bazillion)? Do you want some running cost equivalent (ammo etc. vs. whatever)?
The problem is that the EVE economy means that ISK does not have a fixed value against… well, anything, really, so it's hard to make any comparison especially with such a limited economic system as the one WoW presents. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
ChrisDude70
Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.02.21 09:58:00 -
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Urgh... Make things complicated for me.. Im too tired for this lol...
All I want to be able to say is:
I have 100Million ISK in my wallet, thats like you having X amount of gold.
Hope that makes a little more sence.
Oh, and I might add, this is my signature. |
Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.21 10:04:00 -
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You can afford a battleship (+ basic fittings) – the mainstay piece of equipment for running missions and taking part in large fleet fights. Figure out what the equivalent WoW thing is and how much it costs. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
ChrisDude70
Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.02.21 10:07:00 -
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Humm ok. That sounds like it might work. Thanks. Oh, and I might add, this is my signature. |
Aneu Angellus
Caldari Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 10:09:00 -
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You cant do it with any formula, just stick it down as 1gold = 1mil. But in eve there are far more ways to make money than in wow. ___ Death Pain Suffering
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Slade Hoo
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2010.02.21 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Hoo on 21/02/2010 10:11:23 Edited by: Slade Hoo on 21/02/2010 10:10:48 Economy in EVE and WOW works totally different..so you cannot directly compare isk to gold. The only way to do so is via comparing RMT-prices (gtc-trading isn't available in WOW so you use this which is available in both EVE and WOW). ------ Make Lowsec useful! Vote in the CSM-Forum! |
Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.02.21 10:12:00 -
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one isk = infinite 'gold'
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mrkaczor
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Posted - 2010.02.21 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: mrkaczor on 21/02/2010 10:18:26 300 mln isk = 30d eve game time ... 5K = 30d wow game time (google said that :) so 60k isk = 1 gold?
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Dex Timor
Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2010.02.21 10:22:00 -
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You could do it this way: It took you x hours to make 100 million isk. How much gold can your friend make in the same time ?
Now as for the value of isk vs gold: I have no clue how fast you can lose/spend gold in WoW, but in EvE it can go really fast.
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Albion Stormchaser
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Posted - 2010.02.21 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: mrkaczor Edited by: mrkaczor on 21/02/2010 10:18:26 300 mln isk = 30d eve game time ... 5K = 30d wow game time (google said that :) so 60k isk = 1 gold?
This is probably the best way to explain the comparisson of wallets.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.02.21 10:33:00 -
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You actually cannot do a direct comparison because you can buy anything in EVE given enough ISK, while that is impossible in WoW and other MMORPGs due to no-trade items and binding items to a specific character. Thus "gold" in other games have a lot less value than ISK in eve.
You also cannot explain anything to a WoW player, they lack gray matter.
Originally by: Jim Raynor EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose. |
Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Hostile Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.21 10:45:00 -
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well its about 550 mill for 29 dollars.. i have no clue what WOW gold prizes are but youc ould do the math www.garia.net |
Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit You actually cannot do a direct comparison because you can buy anything in EVE given enough ISK, while that is impossible in WoW and other MMORPGs due to no-trade items and binding items to a specific character. Thus "gold" in other games have a lot less value than ISK in eve.
You also cannot explain anything to a WoW player, they lack gray matter.
Ok, get an Impoc then.
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Agent 42
Gallente Forged Raptor TECH
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Posted - 2010.02.21 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Agent 42 on 21/02/2010 11:17:36 I read the OP too fast and I thought he meant isk to real gold value.
For ****s and giggles I thought I'd figure this out. This is based off a 30 day plex and assuming 600 mil isk, at $35 USD or roughly 17 mil isk per usd. Gold is trading at $1118 USD per oz, that's the trade value not the price of physical gold, which would be more I think.
19,165,000,000 isk = 1 oz of gold
There it is, 20 billion isk for an oz of gold, give or take
Naturally its illegal to sell isk so I only did this for fun.
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Xyfu
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.02.21 11:42:00 -
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1 gold = 10m ISK, but if you own >1 gold, it comes at a permanent price of dignity and pride. _____ ^ That is a sig line. It should be there without me having to put one in. |
Winters Chill
Amarr Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.02.21 12:00:00 -
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You can't compare them, Gold coins exist as hard currency on a pre industrial world with a primitive autocratic society that promotes the exploitation and mass slaughter of local wildlife and indigenous tribal peoples.
ISK is a unit of credit that supports a transtellar market place.
All other answers elude to RMT and your naive for even bringing up the subject.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.02.21 12:13:00 -
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Someone who is really pro, and using the best PvE epix in EVE (ie: Kerfifa with his Golem-o-doom) can farm 70M ISK/hr doing "dailies" (ie: boring repetitive tasks that chip away at your sanity as you do them). Do that for about two hours and you'll have around about 140M ISK.
Someone who is really pro and using best PvE epix in WoW can farm around 150g doing the usual 25 daily quests a day in about the same number of effort-hours.
So by my reckoning, 140M ISK is about the same as 150g, so round it out to 10M ISK to 1g based on how quickly you can earn it.
But then, you can buy phat epix such as faction battleships and meta 14 modules (officer or deadspace? can't remember), where in WoW all you can do is pay someone a few thousand gold to be carried through the instances where the phat BoP epix drop. But that's kinda the same as paying someone 10k ISK per LP for raising NPC corp standings.
So that's where I'd peg it, totally ignoring the fact that both economies work entirely differently: 10M ISK to 1g. [Aussie players: join channels ANZAC or AUSSIES] |
Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.02.21 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Agent 42 Edited by: Agent 42 on 21/02/2010 11:17:36 I read the OP too fast and I thought he meant isk to real gold value.
For ****s and giggles I thought I'd figure this out. This is based off a 30 day plex and assuming 600 mil isk, at $35 USD or roughly 17 mil isk per usd. Gold is trading at $1118 USD per oz, that's the trade value not the price of physical gold, which would be more I think.
19,165,000,000 isk = 1 oz of gold
There it is, 20 billion isk for an oz of gold, give or take
Naturally its illegal to sell isk so I only did this for fun.
but 1 U.S. dollar = 128.188694 Iceland kronur
1oz gold = 143'314.9599 Isk
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ChrisDude70
Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.02.21 12:50:00 -
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Thanks for the ideas everyone. So far Im thinking that the best way to do this will be to work how much you can make per hour on WoW and EVE. I will have to try this with noob accounts on each game though.
Overall, this is going to be a big waste of time, but hey, why not? Hopefully other people will find my results useful too. When I get some results out of this I will make another forum post.
Also:
1oz gold is worth 20B? Wow... Hard to decide what I would rather have. Oh, and I might add, this is my signature. |
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z0de
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 12:53:00 -
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rmt prices are probably the easiest way that will make sense to anyone. á á
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Callista Sincera
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.02.21 13:06:00 -
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Gold really hasn't that much value in WoW. Everybody got more than they need which means it is just there to make sure you don't start to hoard stuff you don't really have any use for.
Or in other words: Gold can't buy you crap in wow (most good items cannot be sold on the market), except for the various item enhancements and a very few select other things. BUT you usually make more gold while trying to get an item than it would take to pimp the item (enchants, sockets and whatever new crap has been added in the last years).
Basically gold is a given in WoW. If you don't have enough of it, you're doing something seriously wrong. ISK on the other hand aren't quite that easy to come by. Once you have the your 8.0 standing somewhere and are sick of running missions, you actually have to 'work' to get more ISK or keep what you have. If you are a pirate and fail all day long, you'll be out of money very soon. If you're a miner... well you got other issues. In any case, any enjoyable action in EVE either involves risks or direct ISK requirements, so you have to spend additional time to get the money for that. In WoW you just get the money while doing the stuff you'd do anyway. There is no loss in WoW. - In simplistic terms it has been said that there is enough Zero Point Energy in the volume the size of a coffee cup to boil away EarthÆs oceans. |
Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.02.21 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Agent 42 Edited by: Agent 42 on 21/02/2010 11:17:36 I read the OP too fast and I thought he meant isk to real gold value.
For ****s and giggles I thought I'd figure this out. This is based off a 30 day plex and assuming 600 mil isk, at $35 USD or roughly 17 mil isk per usd. Gold is trading at $1118 USD per oz, that's the trade value not the price of physical gold, which would be more I think.
19,165,000,000 isk = 1 oz of gold
There it is, 20 billion isk for an oz of gold, give or take
Naturally its illegal to sell isk so I only did this for fun.
Is it bad that I read that post and then realized that I would rather have another 20 billion ISK than an ounce of gold??
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.02.21 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Winters Chill You can't compare them, Gold coins exist as hard currency on a pre industrial world with a primitive autocratic society that promotes the exploitation and mass slaughter of local wildlife and indigenous tribal peoples.
ISK is a unit of credit that supports a transtellar market place.
All other answers elude to RMT and your naive for even bringing up the subject.
silly you. most ISK comes from "mass slaughter of local wildlife and indigenous tribal people". so, how does it not compare? ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel |
Gargamin
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Posted - 2010.02.21 13:45:00 -
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I actually made a calculator for that in excel some time ago.
It's based on how much you buy ISK and Gold for. Just update the green boxes with fresh values and then calculate by the yellow boxes. ISK to WoW currency calculator
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Shebeth
Caldari Les Brigades Rouges
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Posted - 2010.02.21 18:24:00 -
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Easy, check www.chinesegoldiskforfree.com :
40$ ~ 1b isk 40$ ~ 5k gold
So 200k isk = 1 gold.
Another way : 1 hour of farm in eve (no trade) : up to 50misk (lvl 4 with high end stuff, 0.0 ratting) 1 hour of farm in wow (no trade, just daily quest) : up to 200 gold
So 250k isk = 1 gold
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.02.21 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 21/02/2010 18:53:21
The value of Gold in WOW deceases the more you have. When I played I had so much I was giving it away, especially when they removed raiding costs and I never gave a toss about the money sinks like fancy mounts. EVE is not like.
If your friend wants to compare games he will have problems with EVE, it's best to forget all other online games.
EDIT: In WOW its easy to make 20K gold (passively by trading) in a few days but the gold buyers are too stupid or lazy to do that, hence massively inflated prices.
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Apoctasy
Deskira Industries G String University
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Posted - 2010.02.22 03:46:00 -
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There is pretty much no way to lose massive amounts of gold in WoW, as opposed to losing everything you have ever owned in one gank in Eve. That said, these two values cannot be compared. ______________________________
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Please continue to... do what C&P is great for... Heck pod everyone you pirates, Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.02.22 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shebeth Easy, check www.chinesegoldiskforfree.com :
40$ ~ 1b isk 40$ ~ 5k gold
So 200k isk = 1 gold.
Another way : 1 hour of farm in eve (no trade) : up to 50misk (lvl 4 with high end stuff, 0.0 ratting) 1 hour of farm in wow (no trade, just daily quest) : up to 200 gold
So 250k isk = 1 gold
Good work
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sue denim
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Posted - 2010.02.22 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Riva
Originally by: Vaal Erit You actually cannot do a direct comparison because you can buy anything in EVE given enough ISK, while that is impossible in WoW and other MMORPGs due to no-trade items and binding items to a specific character. Thus "gold" in other games have a lot less value than ISK in eve.
You also cannot explain anything to a WoW player, they lack gray matter.
Ok, get an Impoc then.
if you offered trillions of isk dc might consider it ;p
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