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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 19:47:00 -
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A couple of days ago Star Fraction suffered a corp theft at the hands of a previous member who had unfortunately been left with a gunner alt in our POS management corporation.
The motive for the corp theft was that he was upset he'd been banned from the La Maison IC roleplay channel and was blocked from continuing his romances with various members of the gallente nationalist roleplay community.
(Pause for amusement)
Anyway, to cut a long story short Misan Pal'taek used his gunner alt Taloc Tsukuyomi to unanchor and steal a pair of Star Fraction Matari towers from Kamela and sold the intel to our enemies in Providence.
We lost around 1.5b worth of tower, fuel and modules total.
Anyway.
Hilarity continues the day afterwards.
Misan logs back into the tower management corp with his gunner alt during the cool down / kick out period and pretends to be another one of our directors (Yvonne pyros)
[ 2010.02.19 08:11:41 ] Bruunhilde > oh wait, you arne't clair? [ 2010.02.19 08:11:45 ] Bruunhilde > yvoone? [ 2010.02.19 08:12:03 ] Taloc Tsukuyomi > yes
This shows us heÆs not exactly done with the lies and thievery as yet. But even more interesting we have his offer to log in a hauler alt:
Unknown to him however we are on his case immediately and decide to try to learn his other accomplices (Taloc couldn't carry off the towers on his own since he flies only frigates).
[ 2010.02.19 08:16:54 ] Taloc Tsukuyomi > was just logging him on to move him back to kamela [ 2010.02.19 08:17:09 ] Bruunhilde > can you fly a hauler, just don't own one? [ 2010.02.19 08:17:14 ] Bruunhilde > I could jettison this one [ 2010.02.19 08:17:16 ] Taloc Tsukuyomi > I can sort an alt out [ 2010.02.19 08:17:24 ] Taloc Tsukuyomi > let me see how far one is out [ 2010.02.19 08:17:49 ] Bruunhilde > kk [ 2010.02.19 08:18:01 ] Taloc Tsukuyomi > have an ity v alt in rens, Sevok
This is the point that Sevok became a potential target. (After all Misan might have been lying about him)
[ 2010.02.19 08:18:05 ] Taloc Tsukuyomi > 40km3 of room so [ 2010.02.19 08:18:14 ] Taloc Tsukuyomi > what are we doing, just swapping it from pos to pos, or? [ 2010.02.19 08:18:22 ] Bruunhilde > cool [ 2010.02.19 08:18:23 ] Taloc Tsukuyomi > same account, so I'd have to log this one out
[ 2010.02.19 08:30:37 ] Sevok Kurouto > couldn't remember your name for a second... [ 2010.02.19 08:30:37 ] Bruunhilde > yes? [ 2010.02.19 08:30:39 ] Sevok Kurouto > I'm 2j out [ 2010.02.19 08:30:43 ] Sevok Kurouto > this is the alt
This is the point Sevok Kurouto become a walking dead man.
[ 2010.02.19 08:30:48 ] Bruunhilde > ah thanks! [ 2010.02.19 08:31:31 ] Sevok Kurouto > oh hmm [ 2010.02.19 08:31:35 ] Sevok Kurouto > damnit, I need the pos pass [ 2010.02.19 08:31:37 ] Sevok Kurouto > kk
Basically he was encouraged after that to come to the POS to help(steal) more equipment and was executed for his proven association with the thieves Taloc Tsukuyomi and Misan Pal'taek.
In the scheme of things it wasn't a great kill. Just a tech2 fitted hauler alt in an iteronV for but what is pretty funny is the overblown and near crazed reaction of the RP community in eve trying desperately to claim that since we had no "valid IC proof of the connection between Taloc Tsukuyomi and Sevok Kurouto we couldn't possibly be justified in shooting this thief trying to steal a 3rd tower of ours!
We didn't want that NRDS anyways
(Be aware this is an "IC" forum and the roleplayers there will protest anything that is not beneficial to their arguments.)
The short version:
SF was corpthefted by a rat. The rat has three characters on the account = Misan Pal'taek/Taloc Tsukuyomi/Sevok Kurouto.
All three of these characters have played a role in the theft and as a result are all Kill on Sight to the Star Fraction. Nothing in this business has compromised our NRDS engagement policy in any way.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 21/02/2010 20:13:01
Currently the main character on Misan's account is a member of Rote Kapelle alliance and we have conducted appropriate diplomacy to set -10 for the corp thief in their midst and they have taken full responsibility for the worsening of relations that occured.
As an amusing afternote to all this. The impact of the corp theft of our towers costing us 1.5b was more than made up in the loot we took from a combined Providence CTA against the replacement tower yesterday. When in 1 hour of fighting the Star Fraction and our allies destroyed around 10b worth of enemy ships, 39 battleships and 3 carriers and had a damned good time achieving the single biggest 1 hour death toll in our history.
The reason I'm posting this thread in Crime and Punishment is that I am not allowed to tell the truth of this business in IGS because the roleplayers who stole from us are claiming there is no valid IC connection between the 3 characters on the thieves account.
This is obviously not the case. Chatlogs here fully prove the connection and we have many additional logs taken from channels in game to support this as Misan Pal'taek has not been backward in boasting about his deeds to anyone who will listen.
So we welcome our guests from IGS and hope this will end the nonsense being talked about Star Fraction rules of engagement by people who frankly have absolutely no clue what they are talking about.
TL:DR
Pony roleplayer in emo rage tower theft. Gets caught with his hand in the cooky jar and executed at replacement POS. Complains that the victims of his theft have broken NRDS to kill him. Laughter ensures. Archbishop of PIE challenges me to post this thread.
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Lord Windu
Echelon Solutions Echelon.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Anyway, to cut a long story short
I think we all know you are incapable of doing such a thing. ------
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Windu
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Anyway, to cut a long story short
I think we all know you are incapable of doing such a thing.
Yeah its true. Still if it was too many words how about a cool video.
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: Darveses on 21/02/2010 20:18:54
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Lord Windu
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Anyway, to cut a long story short
I think we all know you are incapable of doing such a thing.
Yeah its true. Still if it was too many words how about a cool video.
Wait a few hours and the new one will be online. Featuring the shiny story in easy-to-read animated text for everyone unwilling to read it here ;)
Edit: Jade, just link the chatsubo thread. Zym doesn't seem to like you today --- Star Fraction Public - Follow us on YouTube!
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.02.21 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Darveses Edit: Jade, just link the chatsubo thread. Zym doesn't seem to like you today
No, he does that to everyone. Chatlogs are expressly forbidden in C+P except for in the one sticky thread up top. The instant a mod sees chatlogs in C+P, it's thread****.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.02.21 20:32:00 -
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Howmuch are you nowadays, Jade? ___
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 21/02/2010 20:33:04
Zymurgist,
If there any way I can post these chatlogs or at least link to them from this forum without breaching forum rules?
Alternatively can I post these chatlogs on IGS?
Any advise is gladly received.
I'm trying to answer an accusation made against our Alliance here and its becoming difficult to proceed without being able to present the evidence again.
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Jiro Rans
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.02.21 20:38:00 -
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So you lost 1.5b of stuff, come here without any proof and call it a victory? I wish I had a brain tumor too.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 21/02/2010 20:43:48
Originally by: Jiro Rans So you lost 1.5b of stuff, come here without any proof and call it a victory? I wish I had a brain tumor too.
Plenty of proof.
Have a read.
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Jiro Rans
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.02.21 20:48:00 -
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I don't see anything incriminating in the logs, if he was a thief Cass would surely kick him to keep him from stealing our tower, Freedom and the Ten Commandments of Love V. Please Jade, stop being butthurt about a tower that you didn't want anyway.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jiro Rans I don't see anything incriminating in the logs, if he was a thief Cass would surely kick him to keep him from stealing our tower, Freedom and the Ten Commandments of Love V. Please Jade, stop being butthurt about a tower that you didn't want anyway.
You had better speak to your executor because he has fully admitted Misan's guilt in this matter and taken full responsibility for the negative standings. Perhaps you haven't been active in game this weekend? Time to catch up.
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Jiro Rans
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.02.21 21:01:00 -
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Such a bitter troll, get over it Jade.
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Miranda Miraculous
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Posted - 2010.02.21 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine The motive for the corp theft was that he was upset he'd been banned from the La Maison IC roleplay channel and was blocked from continuing his romances with various members of the gallente nationalist roleplay community.
Yes damnit! Only Jade has the right to romance up members of the Gallente nationalist RP community. Which is what he calls sharing his erotic fantasies with anyone willing or unwilling to listen.
(Pause for amusement)
(Be aware this is an "IC" forum and us roleplayers there will protest anything that is not beneficial to our arguments.)
Relevant section fixed and bolded to clarify Jade's position.
It's a bit of a hypocrisy how Jade tries to distance himself from roleplayers the moment things don't go his way. I guess it just shows how little he wanted that 1.5b in assets, anyway.
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Jiro Rans
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.02.21 21:26:00 -
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Bacch alt spotted.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.02.21 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Miranda Miraculous Yes damnit! Only Jade has the right to romance up members of the Gallente nationalist RP community. Which is what he calls sharing his erotic fantasies with anyone willing or unwilling to listen.
Oh really now
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dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins
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Posted - 2010.02.21 21:49:00 -
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You know Jade, you could have handled this alot better, both IC and OOC. You can't even have a proper debate or anything without resorting to godmodding, alts, and using OOC knowledge IC. I would've done the same thing if I were you, and shot the thief. But really, your in-character behavior in IGS is nothing short of atrocious. Using alts, godmodding, etc is just a little low, even for you.
So yes, I agree with your destroying the Iteron, but not your in-character benefit afterwards. And that's all I'll say on the matter. *SPLUD* |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: dibblebill You know Jade, you could have handled this alot better, both IC and OOC. You can't even have a proper debate or anything without resorting to godmodding, alts, and using OOC knowledge IC. I would've done the same thing if I were you, and shot the thief. But really, your in-character behavior in IGS is nothing short of atrocious. Using alts, godmodding, etc is just a little low, even for you.
So yes, I agree with your destroying the Iteron, but not your in-character benefit afterwards. And that's all I'll say on the matter.
Obviously all your accusations are untrue. In supporting the corp thief I consider you very much tainted by his actions. Still, such things have a way of coming back to haunt a person at the time they least expect it ...
toodle pip!
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dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins
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Posted - 2010.02.21 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: dibblebill You know Jade, you could have handled this alot better, both IC and OOC. You can't even have a proper debate or anything without resorting to godmodding, alts, and using OOC knowledge IC. I would've done the same thing if I were you, and shot the thief. But really, your in-character behavior in IGS is nothing short of atrocious. Using alts, godmodding, etc is just a little low, even for you.
So yes, I agree with your destroying the Iteron, but not your in-character benefit afterwards. And that's all I'll say on the matter.
Obviously all your accusations are untrue. In supporting the corp thief I consider you very much tainted by his actions. Still, such things have a way of coming back to haunt a person at the time they least expect it ...
toodle pip!
Please read my post and make an attempt to realize it actually was agreeing with your action, and not your subsequent handling on the IGS. Then I'll be open for more talk. *SPLUD* |
Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 21/02/2010 22:30:13
Originally by: dibblebill You know Jade, you could have handled this alot better, both IC and OOC. You can't even have a proper debate or anything without resorting to godmodding, alts, and using OOC knowledge IC. I would've done the same thing if I were you, and shot the thief. But really, your in-character behavior in IGS is nothing short of atrocious. Using alts, godmodding, etc is just a little low, even for you.
So yes, I agree with your destroying the Iteron, but not your in-character benefit afterwards. And that's all I'll say on the matter.
I tend to agree with this posters comments. The correct way to handle this would've been to develop an IC link between the two pilots thus creating justification for your IC actions in shooting him down. If that IC link isn't there it's not there and claiming he's an "alt" means nothing in the IC world of RP. He's either an "enemy spy" and "collaberator" and you have evidence to support it or you don't.
I certainly agree you appear to be the victim of a corp theft and I certainly agree you were right to shoot the thief. Thats OOC by the way and thats assuming you are correct and those are the three characters on his account. I have no reason to doubt you OOC if you say they are. From an IC standpoint however you shot a neutral. Thats all anyone on IGS cares about really.
We invited you to post your IC evidence of his complicity and you can not because there isn't any. God'moding and knowing OOC who this guys alts are doesn't mean anything in the RP world. If you can't make the IC connection there is nothing there. Sorry.
Archie
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 23:30:00 -
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We can't post the chatlog in IGS because it gets instantly reported and petitioned. The chatlog is clearly and publicly available on chatsubo. Hebog corp chat is IC. In Hebog corp chat the spy implicated his hauler. The moment this was confirmed the hauler was a valid target for aggression and the chatlog was filed as proof of hostile intent.
We acted entirely according to our ROE and for anyone to claim otherwise is simply ridiculous. As for accusations of alt-posting, "god-modding" and whatever else. I reject any such accusation out of hand.
The corp-thief is clearly connected to the accomplice who was killed for the crime.
Do not complain to me that the case was not appropriately presented on the IGS - complain to those wasting moderator time with spurious spam-reports falsely claiming ooc content.
If you want to discuss this further people are asking for you on chatsubo Archbishop. I think they'd like to talk about your hacking accusations.
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dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins
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Posted - 2010.02.22 00:05:00 -
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But see, that's the joy. IGS is an IC forum. You used knowledge and intel from OOC channels in that environment, including copy and pasted logs courtesy of ChipMo in an in-character environment, from what is explicitly stated as an OOC channel. Thus the frequent reports of OOC information and knowledge. Mizhara got nailed for OOC comments too, look at posts made by her. That entire thread is shot to hell with OOC comments and knowledge.
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2010.02.22 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Archbishop of PIE challenges me to post this thread.
Looks like he won either way. It's ironic, but every time stuff from IGS makes it way here, it makes my eyes bleed.
Taxman IX: Risky Venture
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c00lina
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Posted - 2010.02.22 00:26:00 -
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Even the tl;dr was too long imo.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.22 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: dibblebill But see, that's the joy. IGS is an IC forum. You used knowledge and intel from OOC channels in that environment, including copy and pasted logs courtesy of ChipMo in an in-character environment, from what is explicitly stated as an OOC channel. Thus the frequent reports of OOC information and knowledge. Mizhara got nailed for OOC comments too, look at posts made by her. That entire thread is shot to hell with OOC comments and knowledge.
It was a terrible thread from day one. Terrible idea to post and pretty much trolling from the op using forum report spamming to cover her back. Awful.
Much better to just out the corp thief and his friends and settle things in game with lasers.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.22 00:49:00 -
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Quote: We lost around 1.5b worth of tower, fuel and modules total.
Quote: (Pause for amusement)
my new sig.
-------------------------------------------------- We lost around 1.5b worth of tower, fuel and modules total. (Pause for amusement)
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.22 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
We can't post the chatlog in IGS because it gets instantly reported and petitioned. The chatlog is clearly and publicly available on chatsubo. Hebog corp chat is IC. In Hebog corp chat the spy implicated his hauler. The moment this was confirmed the hauler was a valid target for aggression and the chatlog was filed as proof of hostile intent.
We acted entirely according to our ROE and for anyone to claim otherwise is simply ridiculous. As for accusations of alt-posting, "god-modding" and whatever else. I reject any such accusation out of hand.
The corp-thief is clearly connected to the accomplice who was killed for the crime.
Do not complain to me that the case was not appropriately presented on the IGS - complain to those wasting moderator time with spurious spam-reports falsely claiming ooc content.
If you want to discuss this further people are asking for you on chatsubo Archbishop. I think they'd like to talk about your hacking accusations.
I left Chatsubo several years ago and have no intention of returning there. It's a game and I refuse to get wound up over it on some profanity laced board moderated by a Star Fraction director (I assume Cosmo still runs it?).
That said I noticed there isn't a restriction on posting chatlogs on IGS only here on C&P. I think having the Star Fraction post an ingame chatlog from the corp channel of this group would be an RP coup given you could play it up as more "intelligence" operations from a "Star Fraction spy who infiltrated the corp and stole the chatlog evidence". I'm wondering why you didn't RP it that way in the first place it would've negated about five pages of text.
As for "hacking" rest assured while Archbishop of PIE thinks the Star Fraction would resort to anything to further its cause including murdering the families of Amarrians in their beds I the player do not think so. The comment about the security of your communications network was an IC comment based on your own disclosure your kill database had been corrupted. Just to clarify OOC I don't believe you would resort to "hacking" anything as it's a criminal act in RL. If you like you can point fellow chatsubo users to this paragraph to clarify the difference between IC and OOC.
Archbishop
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.22 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop That said I noticed there isn't a restriction on posting chatlogs on IGS only here on C&P. I think having the Star Fraction post an ingame chatlog from the corp channel of this group would be an RP coup given you could play it up as more "intelligence" operations from a "Star Fraction spy who infiltrated the corp and stole the chatlog evidence". I'm wondering why you didn't RP it that way in the first place it would've negated about five pages of text.
Mainly because we were threatened that the op and friends would spam petition us against using the chatlog on the grounds they felt our corp channel wasn't ic. We felt it would lead to an even bigger flamefest than it did. Hebog is our corp. The spy outed himself and his hauler alt in our corp chat but claimed because he used the word "alt" it meant it was all ooc only and couldn't be posted on IGS.
Hence the problem. I would have posted the chatlog on day one if I felt the mods would have let it stay there.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.02.22 01:12:00 -
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Chatlogs and "fanmail"
The posting of chatlogs and EVEmails is not permitted, as past experience has shown us that these have a tendency to incite flames and trolling.
An exception to this is the Pirate Stories Thread, where players can post chatlogs (with the names of victims/counterparts blanked out) as part of a pirate story or experience.
You could post the chatlogs in the pirate story thread as I am sure corp thievery, subterfuge and execution would be acceptable.
SKUNK
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.22 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Archbishop That said I noticed there isn't a restriction on posting chatlogs on IGS only here on C&P. I think having the Star Fraction post an ingame chatlog from the corp channel of this group would be an RP coup given you could play it up as more "intelligence" operations from a "Star Fraction spy who infiltrated the corp and stole the chatlog evidence". I'm wondering why you didn't RP it that way in the first place it would've negated about five pages of text.
Mainly because we were threatened that the op and friends would spam petition us against using the chatlog on the grounds they felt our corp channel wasn't ic. We felt it would lead to an even bigger flamefest than it did. Hebog is our corp. The spy outed himself and his hauler alt in our corp chat but claimed because he used the word "alt" it meant it was all ooc only and couldn't be posted on IGS.
Hence the problem. I would have posted the chatlog on day one if I felt the mods would have let it stay there.
It would've gotten the "confession" out there though and it would've been seen. I don't believe in spam-petitions and don't engage or recommend people engage in those sorts of actions. Archbishop will use any angle to persecute the anarchists but he would read that chat and notice it. Archbishop the IC player has apologized for things in the past when he's been proven wrong so who knows what could happen? This is all about propoganda for him and he really believes everything he says. Don't forget he's a blind follower of God and Amarr who distrusts everything your character stands for. In RL I don't think for a moment you'd hack anything but IC those comments are totally RP oriented as Archbishop believes you are untrustworthy and capable of anything.
As I see it this whole thread is a big mess so I will disengage from that thread after a final post to "level out" the field a bit if thats OK with you. I do see how it happend and will readily admit from an IC RP standpoint you were painted into a corner with OOC information. I will also acknowledge now it's not in the best spirit of the RP community to continue in that fashion so I'll drop that RP line of attack for now.
Archie
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