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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2010.02.23 16:41:00 -
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CCP Dr.EyjoG's newest blog focuses on the Q4 2009 Quarterly Economic Report. Read all about it here.
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el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.02.23 16:52:00 -
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Define 'quarterly'.
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Jack bubu
Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.23 16:55:00 -
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i like :)
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Xtover
Suicide Kings
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Posted - 2010.02.23 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: el caido Define 'quarterly'.
hahaha
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Jit4
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Posted - 2010.02.23 17:18:00 -
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is it just me or is this PDF simply broken?
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Jack bubu
Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.23 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jit4 is it just me or is this PDF simply broken?
what do you mean with broken? works fine for me..
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.23 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: el caido Define 'quarterly'.
*giggle*
should be a good read, these are usually some of the better devblogs.
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Genya Arikaido
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Posted - 2010.02.23 17:50:00 -
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Is there any chance these can get archived and accessible via the left-hand menu? ...or are they already and I'm just blind?
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.02.23 17:58:00 -
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They are archived in the EVElopedia/wiki, iirc.
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Kata Amentis
Quantum Drift
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Posted - 2010.02.23 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kata Amentis on 23/02/2010 18:36:53
Originally by: Jit4 is it just me or is this PDF simply broken?
Just clicking on the link didn't work for me, just opens a blank page... r-click save link as worked though.
Originally by: el caido They are archived in the EVElopedia/wiki, iirc.
Indeed, http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/QEN |
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.23 18:39:00 -
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The last sides of the QEN were filled with "market snapshots", price indices for random items. That's something i can see ingame too, when checking the market window price stats of 1 year, so it's nothing new or of informational value. I'd rather like to see stats on things that i can't see ingame but that are interesting, such as: - How much isk does the average player have (you had that in the old QENs) ? - How much do the richest 10% have (to determine what's rich) in isk or - if possible to find out - in total assets ? - How long does the average player stay subscribed (was mentioned by Oveur in 2006, no more infos after that). - What's the average SP on all players ? - How many Titans and Motherships are in game ?
etc.
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Cyclops43
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Posted - 2010.02.23 18:45:00 -
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To be quite honest, the section about the minerals is mostly useless. It tries to look at the mineral market from an RL point of view, but completely forgets all the factors that makes the EVE mineral market unlike RL market.
- In RL, there's no unlimited funding for surplus minerals. In EVE there is (through insurance)
- In RL there are limits to how many minerals CAN be produced, but in EVE there isn't
- In RL there's significant ramp-up time for production, but in EVE there isn't
- In RL there's significant initial investment in mineral production, but in EVE there isn't
Especially a sentence like "The reason for the price increase in Pyerite throughout Q4 has yet to be found." makes it pretty clear that EnjoG doesn't really have a handle on how the EVE mineral economy works (or doesn't) due to the hard price floor of insurance. Prices have been at bottom level for a long time now, they can not drop any lower, therefore it is inevitable that a drop in some minerals will be compensated for by an increase in others.
That he doesn't even mention the insurance floor with even one word makes me think he knows it is a huge problem for the economy, but doesn't dare mention it. The floor is THE most important factor for the EVE mineral market, and is not mentioned even once!
Other important data also missing that would give us a true look at the health of the EVE economy is an overview over the sinks and faucets, particularly for T1 minerals and ISK.
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Matthew
Caldari BloodStar Technologies
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Posted - 2010.02.23 19:18:00 -
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Metrics
I have to agree that talking about the current state of the mineral market without mentioning insurance, or even the mineral basket, as a possible factor in the "odd" price movements is a major oversight.
Trade Hubs
It would be interesting to know how much of the trade in Jita is simply "internal" trade, with goods shuffling from one owner to another but never leaving VI-4. With so much stuff in jita to begin with, there is much greater scope for such "internal" trade to inflate the overall trade figure for Jita than for other solar systems. This would lead to the influence of Jita on the "final use" market volumes not being as great as these figures suggest.
The report has identified the proportion of people who trade in Jita that stayed in the system, and those that jumped in/out. It would be interesting to split the trading volume into the 4 possible combinations of these groups (static to static, static to jumper, jumper to static, jumper to jumper).
Of course it would be more interesting to track the items themselves rather than the characters involved in the trade, but I would imagine that would be exceptionally difficult even if sufficient data is logged to allow it.
PLEX is also likely to be a distorting factor here, especially as the report highlights it as being the item with the single biggest traded value. Due to not being able to move PLEX around like other items, and the location of the PLEX not being especially important to it's purchase, it makes sense that trade in PLEX would centralize in Jita far more than other items. Would be interesting to see how much difference it would make if PLEX are separated out. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines. |
profian
Amarr Blood Bringers
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Posted - 2010.02.23 19:33:00 -
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Aceness!
That is all
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WarlockX
Amarr Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.23 19:40:00 -
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I just want to voice my oppinion that I agree you cannot talk about minerals without insurance. This needs to be taken into account for the next Quarterly. ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.23 19:48:00 -
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Yessss, I was waiting for it. :)
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.02.23 19:57:00 -
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go economics go?
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Qwert0
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Posted - 2010.02.23 20:04:00 -
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EyjoG seems to have missed something obvious in the MPI...
Did he not get informed about the new grav site mechanics with sovreignty?
The ones that even at level one give a 250000 unit spoduman rock (containing a large portion of megacite) every 2-3 days, or the fact that every 0.0 system can trivially get about 40k units of ABC's in the same timeframe at only industry level one?
On a similar note, has anyone seen ANY scordite in the low end grav sites? I swear I haven't seen any.
Heck with prices as they are now the only ores more valuble than scordite are gneiss and the MABC's; veldspar never got this bad in the trit boom.
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Perrin Girard
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Posted - 2010.02.23 20:09:00 -
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I find it hard to draw any conclusions about the overall shift in the types of ships being flown based on a single a single snapshot in time. Has player activities really shifted more toward combat overall or is it just true for this snapshot. Did the Drake really win out over the Hulk for the entire quarter or was it just during the snapshot?
I would like to see two charts based off of numbers for the entire quarter. The first chart would be the ships ranked by total number of times a ship was boarded. The second chart would be the ships ranked by total time spent in a ship while a character was logged in. With these two charts I think you could drawn more meaningful conclusions about the shift in player activity from the previous quarter than you could from a single snapshot in time.
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Archestratidas
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Posted - 2010.02.23 20:18:00 -
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I like the idea of a QEN, but honestly, you have an entire team that spits out one or two "quarterly" economic reports per year, and all they have is a few market screenshots that are available in game? I mean, really? What do these people do all day???
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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2010.02.23 20:55:00 -
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Editorial, page 6:
"The Dominion release was a very successful EVE expansion that was well received by the players."
Uh-huh.
Ifly
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.02.23 21:26:00 -
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Page 10, population density. Fountain is accounted as North, shouldn't it be West?
Page 16: "The reason for the price increase in Pyerite throughout Q4 has yet to be found. Sure enough, the demand is increasing but so is demand for other low-end minerals" Insurance fraud? BS need especially lots of pyr.
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And now ... finally!! some comments and outlooks into the future and not dull repeating of what just happend in the past. The QEN team finally seems to become more confident in their own abilities :-) That is good, more comments from the team are always welcome!
Also lots of interesting things to read, the section about the tradehubs in the past and present. The analysis of Jita and the activity there round the day was also good. Such things the player normally doesn't see, please more of such.
Otherwise, go ahead. You are a on the right track!
And thanks!
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Tiny Carlos
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.23 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Matthew or otherwise he must be completely clueless.
He is an economist, cluelessness is an essential part of the job.
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2010.02.23 22:02:00 -
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Usually I enjoy these a lot but this blog reads a bit like it was quickly patched together without any real research or understanding.
But on another note, am I being dense for not recognizing the Sansha type vessel on page 24?
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Mors Magne
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.02.23 22:35:00 -
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I like the report.
I'd like to see a graph of number of players against how many skill points they have.
I have nearly 100 million SP, and I'd like to compare myself to others.
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wert668
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Posted - 2010.02.23 23:06:00 -
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2010.02.23 23:45:00 -
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Statistics are like bikinis; what they reveal is interesting, but not as interesting as what they conceal... ------------------------------------
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.02.24 01:07:00 -
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Edited by: Claire Voyant on 24/02/2010 01:07:38 A few observations in addition to what's been said above:
1. The Zephyr is the fifth most popular ship "flown"? Not where I am. Can this really represent ships in space? If so, it had to be a snapshot taken the day that the ships first appeared.
2. I doubt that speculative trading in Technetium ended on Dec. 1st or even Dec. 31 and I don't think we've seen the end of it.
3.Were the superhighways "introduced" as you say on page 24 or "removed" as you say on page 27?
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.02.24 01:22:00 -
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The quarterly economic reports need more econometric analysis or give us the raw data to run our own regressions. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!!
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Elymi
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Posted - 2010.02.24 01:42:00 -
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Why not compairing faction-ship-usage ? Oh it would show balance issues for sure ..
Als that there are more Zephyr around then Raven is just a bad joke. Never trust a statistik you didn't faked yourself ;)
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