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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mya ElleTerego 100 mil says ushra khan failsauces trying to babysit 30 stations and all of provi. Sorry butter, but I just dont see it happening. I am going to go out on a limb and forecast a derelict region full of ninja ratters that looks strikingly like stain region, but with crappier rats.. But I wish you guys luck anyways.
hehe, you'd be right about us not wanting 30 stations, in fact I'm 90% sure we don't want any more than we have, and we wouldn't run Providence in the same way CVA does. Especially not in the post-Dominion era, cos it would just be an annoying burden.
There are plenty of people out there though, who would be happy to live in Providence, given a constellation or station of their own... and I'd be very suprised if some of the existing holders didn't change sides (despite public denials from some of them, I know there is talk behind the scenes and some are more eager to jump ship than others).
And as UK have run NRDS in Providence before quite succesfully, doing it again doesn't seem like a huge stretch of the imagination to me... of course it would also be the end of us, who knows :p ----------
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jm24
Minmatar GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.26 10:30:00 -
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Xyla Vulchanus
Amarr Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Adeptus mecanicus if UK and -A- are smart they sell station systems to said alliances and make a profit and get targets and soap oprah next door
Thanks for the image of Oprah, all soaped up!
I wonder if CVA will put up a fight for its space when all they have left is R3-K7K? Seriously need a decent FC first though I suppose.
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Jacabon Mere
Caldari Quantum Horizons Skynet Confederation
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
The truth is it wouldn't be any different, except UK aren't as anally retentive as CVA and won't try to force everyone to follow our standings list. Nor would we go on suicidal imperial crusades into the space of powerful alliances
so your offering nrds without the protection. sounds ideal for a small upcoming alliance . your saying that it won't be any different except that it will be majorly different.
seems to be that prov is what it is because of the carebears (to shoot at, to make money from, and to supply stuff) if your offering a place good for roams and shootings, their won't be any carebears.
Originally by: Butter Dog Also I'm pretty sure we don't want to hold nearly as much space as CVA do, which means more space for neutrals and young alliances looking for their first peice of 0.0
are you just going to leave it vacent for people ot take at will? or will you sell it? because people don't need to buy/rent a staiton system for fights and prov with that many people and no sort of protection makes it pretty poor for anything other than pvpers.
what i'm kind of getting at is that it is going to change majorly no matter what way you try spin it. (i don't live in prov with no intention of moving there) but the way you say it makes it look like bad propaganda in hopes that you will still have targets to shoot. -----------------------
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jacabon Mere
Originally by: Butter Dog
The truth is it wouldn't be any different, except UK aren't as anally retentive as CVA and won't try to force everyone to follow our standings list. Nor would we go on suicidal imperial crusades into the space of powerful alliances
so your offering nrds without the protection. sounds ideal for a small upcoming alliance
So just giving people space isn't enough now? Gotta hold their hands too?
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:30:00 -
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As far as I know, CVA didn't and still doesn't offer the "umbrella" deal to their Holders either. Joint ops otherwise known as "proviblob" were the norm, where each Holder alliance was expected to be able to take care of itself and deploy a "levy" of ships for CVA-organized ops.
Expecting someone to offer you your personal bodyguard service in space is not renting, you got mercenaries for that. Renting is paying for the right to occupy space you would otherwise be kicked out from or would have no chance of taking sovereignity of in the first place. You can also have a mutual protection agreements, but expecting one alliance to duke it out and the other to 'bear all the time is not very realistic in that context.
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:36:00 -
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Yes and no. Do you think industrial corps (ie: the major demographic that rents space) are more inclined to rent space in an area with constant or one in a peaceful corner of the universe where they can mine and rat in peace.
Active PvP corps that want to defend their space generally don't rent space as they can attach themselves to a larger alliance without too many problems. (IT Alliance for instance)
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Ontaku Oroa on 26/02/2010 11:54:26 Well you are talking about corporations, I'm talking about alliances. Corporations have their place, be they PvP or 'bear centric. A smart alliance will always have a few industrial heavy corps doing the lubricating of the wheels of war in the background. And I doubt there are many corporations out there which can fork out the kind of cash you need to rent a system and maintain it.
But an alliance is a different matter. Its much more loosely tied to the "big dog" alliance than a corporation would be, that's one. And two, even the smallest sov holding alliances usually occupy a lot more space than a single corp would ever be capable of. Which means more space to defend. And when you ask people to lose their ships defending guys who are belt ratting or plexing without a care in the world, tensions start to mount. I guess the only way an umbrella deal could be made if the 'bear alliance committed to support their protectors with the same sort of services and benefits an industrial corp brings to a PvP alliance. But if you think of how hard such a deal would be to pull off... nah. You want space, be prepared to defend it. Works best.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 12:33:00 -
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Who said anything about rent?
For an NRDS providence to work, people need to feel it is 'their' space and something worth holding onto - rent won't achieve that. Then there really would be a an arguement for us to provide protection and hand-holding against ebil roamers.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Night Epoch we don't abandon our friends when the sky turns dark
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Who said anything about rent?
There are more ways than one to pay rent. CVA Holders are renters, whether they believe it or not. They may pay rent with obedience, with ships, or with ISK/materials... if they don't they are punished.
In the end, if Providence is ever to have a NRDS status again, all of the local residents will have to enforce said policy themselves, not relying on U'K or anyone else to police their space for them. In fact I don't remember U'K ever policing anything outside our own space. Mutual protection, that works. But one side bearing all the burden of keeping space secure while the other is ratting 24/7? I don't know of a single example of such a relationship in Eve.
And also a reminder to people who seem to expect certain stuff from U'K - the overarching goal of U'K remains, as always, expulsion and destruction of slavers from Providence and beyond. Not making everyone feel nice cuddly warm inside.
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Mendolus
Gallente Aurelius Federation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.02.26 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jacabon Mere
what i'm kind of getting at is that it is going to change majorly no matter what way you try spin it. (i don't live in prov with no intention of moving there) but the way you say it makes it look like bad propaganda in hopes that you will still have targets to shoot.
Here's what is gonna happen, all these power blocs with more than a few thousand people to wield like a hammer, are going to abuse the lag mechanic until one of them is tired of constantly losing space to a broken mechanic, and they're going to go mobile. What you will see is that the most advantageous way in the future for a large power bloc to play, is to not actually hold space at all, but simply take it, one region at a time, and then abandon that region after they've forced fire sales in every outpost and conquered a new region. The logistics wing of the power bloc will take those assets, scoop them up, and resell them in other markets, to fund the campaign. What else could more advantageous in a system where it does not matter if you have two hundred or five thousand capital pilots, you are not going to be able to defend your own space against even just 500 pilots loitering around in a single system lagging the node out beyond repair. So why bother to defend?
What is to stop a power bloc from doing this? The only thing is if CCP fixes the lag they introduced in Dominion, and they have had almost four months now so far, how long is it going to take them? Too long for 0.0 to prevent it from becoming just another low sec mechanic, where the risk versus reward does not make it worth the dog sh** you stepped in this morning on the way to work.
All these people who think they're paving the way for their own success by driving the competition out are merely signing their own warrants. There will not be snot for them to do when no one gives a sh** to come anywhere near their regions, or remain in their alliances anymore because there's nothing to do but sit and wait for someone to take it from them in a way they cannot possibly prevent.
The major power blocs need to read the writing on the wall and come up with some sort of accord agreement while CCP takes their sweet a** time fixing the lag problem. Something like an honor system, X hostile ships are met with X friendly ships, so that the game actually f***ing matters in 0.0 anymore. Unless people like being able to just toss 500x pilots in a system and wait a few days and not actually have to play the game itself to take space. If you ask me, that's a waste of $15/mo.
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CCP Shadow
Caldari C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.26 15:49:00 -
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Thread cleaned up a bit. Don't worry though, still plenty of epeen remaining.
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Areo Hotah
Minmatar Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.26 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: dastommy79
To bitter dog; if we capture all their base, where will i farm noobs?
Well, if you cast your mind back a few years, CVA and UK kind of divided Providence up between them and both ran NRDS. Noobs were welcomed in both areas, provided they didn't take sides in the lolRP wars.
Paxton was neutral, until UK started to shoot them. "If you're not with us, you're most likely a spy and against us."
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Wotlankor
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 16:02:00 -
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Providence has declared that we will be bored to death...
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Exie
Gallente Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mendolus ... Regurgitated Propaganda ...
Yes, no one can defend against lag, no options exist to ensure you have the grid loaded, and the attacking enemy does not. Run and hide in a hole is the only defense. So many stations, we'll bore em out of fighting!!
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Mendolus
Gallente Aurelius Federation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.02.26 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Exie
Originally by: Mendolus ... Regurgitated Propaganda ...
Yes, no one can defend against lag, no options exist to ensure you have the grid loaded, and the attacking enemy does not. Run and hide in a hole is the only defense. So many stations, we'll bore em out of fighting!!
I'm sure that's what new pirates convinced themselves of in the summer of '08 when they decided bounties were obsolete and it was more fun to just shoot anything that moved. Twelve months later... and low security space was like a ghost town (as far as carebears and targets to shoot are concerned). Surprise.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Areo Hotah
Paxton was neutral, until UK started to shoot them. "If you're not with us, you're most likely a spy and against us."
You were CVA friends, and anything but neutral. Seems you don't know your own alliances history. ----------
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Areo Hotah
Minmatar Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.26 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Areo Hotah
Paxton was neutral, until UK started to shoot them. "If you're not with us, you're most likely a spy and against us."
You were CVA friends, and anything but neutral. Seems you don't know your own alliances history.
Friends, but neutral in the conflict between CVA and UK. And all you did was drive us even further to the CVA side.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 26/02/2010 16:37:06
Originally by: Areo Hotah
Friends, but neutral in the conflict between CVA and UK. And all you did was drive us even further to the CVA side.
You picked your side by supporting CVA when UK were driven out of Providence the first time around. And let's be clear - your pilots were the ones following CVA orders to set UK red and shoot at us.
We don't hold a grudge though, and neither should you ;)
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Sapphrine
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mendolus
Originally by: Jacabon Mere
what i'm kind of getting at is that it is going to change majorly no matter what way you try spin it. (i don't live in prov with no intention of moving there) but the way you say it makes it look like bad propaganda in hopes that you will still have targets to shoot.
Here's what is gonna happen, (Epic bitterness for 3 or 4 paragraphs), then i'll quit
fixed your post.
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Faekurias
Caldari Raptus Regalitor Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.02.26 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops My problem is that I'm like any other prize fighter. When you live on the edge and ride at the top of your game you rely to a certain extent on having a strong opponent to keep you sharp.
Goons folded in seconds and the only ones in their leadership who knew who to spar don't even log on. PL ran like school girls and even lol-RPers like U'K are kicking their enemies ass all over the place.
I just don't have anything to be angry about any more :(
I had high hopes that Maru Kage or whatever they're called would rise up to achieve greatness, but I was inexplicably wrong about that.
1. I will challenge you windy, do not fret. You shall have your Strong Opponent. It begins: 2. Yo momas fat (also you is fat)
3: so's your face/genitals
Have at thee
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 18:15:00 -
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Well, it is sad that Proviblob pets need at least 3:1 to engage.
I've noticed that after we grew to 1K+ and got the support of .-A-. (awesome fighting machine), only a few of those alliances in Providence bring the fight.
Aralis gave the order to bore us out. Really? We have been fighting against CVA for the last 5 years now? Does he really think we are going to get bored? After the staggering losses Provi sustained, and the massive exodus of bears from their space, does he really think time is on CVA's side?
If so, I got the deeds to a certain bridge over Hudson I'm willing to sell for cheap.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.26 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tagami Wasp Well, it is sad that Proviblob pets need at least 3:1 to engage.
How do I get Atlas, AAA, UK and SYS-K to engage me with equal odds. ---
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Tagami Wasp on 26/02/2010 18:54:16
Originally by: Tagami Wasp
I've noticed that after we grew to 1K+ and got the support of .-A-. (awesome fighting machine), only a few of those alliances in Providence bring the fight.
Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Tagami Wasp Well, it is sad that Proviblob pets need at least 3:1 to engage.
How do I get Atlas, AAA, UK and SYS-K to engage me with equal odds.
quoting outside context is bad, mkay? Didn't say you don't bring it, did I?
So far, Genos, I -RED and a few others go for it. The rest of the pets, just curl up and cry. ------------
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Liteshow
Caldari The Leather Knights Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:07:00 -
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Well, until recent events have given UK reason (sov fail FTL), we didn't see more than 2-3 UK members at a time. And after we blob the gates, they would just cloak and afk for a few hours. Now at least if/when there is a confrontation, it's been us vs bigger blob (and remember, it's only a blob if the other side has more ships ), so at least there's been some sort of GF going on, sometimes even in the US prime time zones...
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Airborne Ninja
Minmatar GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops My problem is that I'm like any other prize fighter. When you live on the edge and ride at the top of your game you rely to a certain extent on having a strong opponent to keep you sharp.
Goons folded in seconds and the only ones in their leadership who knew who to spar don't even log on. PL ran like school girls and even lol-RPers like U'K are kicking their enemies ass all over the place.
I just don't have anything to be angry about any more :(
I had high hopes that Maru Kage or whatever they're called would rise up to achieve greatness, but I was inexplicably wrong about that.
Oh man
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Itzena
Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: XavierVE Edited by: XavierVE on 26/02/2010 00:05:25
Quote: Some people are worried that if CVA get beaten to empire, it will be the end of NRDS in Providence and healthy roaming grounds
If you think AAA will let you install a real NRDS in Providence, then you're on something.
AAA don't tell us how to manage our ROE.
Aw, lookit the cute pet thinking he has any say in such matters.
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Lykouleon
Gallente Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Itzena Aw, lookit the cute pet thinking he has any say in such matters.
aww, umad?
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D3rg3
Minmatar Alpann Siad Anam Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Itzena
Aw, lookit the cute pet thinking he has any say in such matters.
aww, lookit the cute irrelevant troll thinking he has any say in....anything at all
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