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Walen
Caldari BlackSite Prophecy 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.27 15:24:00 -
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If -A- and friends manage to give UK Providence then UK says they gonna run it as NRDS, but will that work? I mean -A- and UK and all there friends must operate as NRDS in Providence then, is that possible? What do you all think will happen to Providence? I dont think NRDS will work, am I wrong? |
Jonathan Ryaul
Gallente Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.27 15:26:00 -
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This doesn't need it's own thread, it's covered plenty in others, if you'd bothered to read.
U'K are a NRDS alliance. They operate NBSI in Provi because of CVA. Take away CVA, take away the need for NBSI.
As for -A-, why would they ever need to follow anyone else's RoE?
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XavierVE
Gallente Reasonable People
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Posted - 2010.02.27 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Walen If -A- and friends manage to give UK Providence then UK says they gonna run it as NRDS, but will that work? I mean -A- and UK and all there friends must operate as NRDS in Providence then, is that possible? What do you all think will happen to Providence? I dont think NRDS will work, am I wrong?
U'K can say whatever they wish. It's what AAA says that matters.
Anyways, U'K NRDS Providence would look like this:
U'K: "Hey guys, we have NRDS in Providence" Random Neutral pilot: "Awesome, you guys are so much better than CVA! I'm on my way!"
Fifteen minutes later...
Random Neutral Pilot: "Hey, WTF, these AAA guys blew me up while you guys sat around, watched and laughed." U'K: "Yeah, we told them you were in system. They let us run an NRDS Providence so long as we pay the SOV bills and tell them when neutrals come in and where they are." Random Neutral Pilot: "...." U'K: "We're totally not pets though."
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.27 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Tagami Wasp on 27/02/2010 15:45:22
All of the above posters= CVA pets. Check.
2 of the above posters= don't know what they are talking about. Check.
2 of the above posters= ignored. Check.
Crying " I lost my Iteron in 9UY while U'K and -A- were taking control of the system from CVA" is more to the point, mr Xavier.
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Omal Oma
Gallente Aurelius Federation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.02.27 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Ryaul This doesn't need it's own thread, it's covered plenty in others, if you'd bothered to read.
U'K are a NRDS alliance. They operate NBSI in Provi because of CVA. Take away CVA, take away the need for NBSI.
As for -A-, why would they ever need to follow anyone else's RoE?
UK is NRDS when it suits them.
They won't be able to survive as NRDS because they will not have many reds roaming their systems after their big brothers clean out Provi.
They will have -A- who will be picking the crops of providence and UK will have to sit there and watch. Or Gentleman's Club who is also Blue to UK.
The question.
Lets say UNITY controls Providence, what will they do when a former blue of theirs attacks a neutral in their now controlled space?
Or will they sit back and allow -A- to just kill the neutrals they are now tasked to protect?
This is why CVA getting the boot is bad. All of you lesser folk don't get that CVA leaving this space will remove true NRDS from providence. Neutrals will have no protection and Providence will turn into a wasteland under UK's lead.
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Xennith
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.27 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Walen UK says they gonna run it as NRDS
Just for the record, I've not seen any official statements on this from our leadership. UK as a whole arent driven by territorial ambition, so I wouldnt take the opinions of UK posters as official policy statements.
Plus, we've still got a lot of fighting ahead of us, lets not count CVA out quite yet shall we? |
UVPhoenix2
Gallente Brotherhood of Heart and Steel Iron Heart Brotherhood
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Posted - 2010.02.27 16:10:00 -
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There won't be anymore Aralis CAOD ban.
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Allahs Warrior
Gallente Reverse Psychology.
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Posted - 2010.02.27 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Omal Oma
Originally by: Jonathan Ryaul Neutrals will have no protection and Providence will turn into a wasteland under UK's lead.
This is not bad.
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Kali Shoumei
Gallente British Federation Sleepless Knights Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.27 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Omal Oma Lets say UNITY controls Providence, what will they do when a former blue of theirs attacks a neutral in their now controlled space?
Or will they sit back and allow -A- to just kill the neutrals they are now tasked to protect?
Since when does NRDS mean you have to protect neuts?
It means 'Not Red Dont Shoot' just let me paraphrase if your a neut or blue then you dont attack them, if they are red you can.
what your suggesting would be
PNFEERAOSR = protect neuts from everyone especially reds and only shoot reds - bit of a mouthful no?
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.27 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Omal Oma
Or will they sit back and allow -A- to just kill the neutrals they are now tasked to protect?
Tasked to protect? Hold your hand? Wut? U mad? Can I haz soem of the stuff you've been smoking?
WE ARE NOT CVA, WAKE UP!!!!!!!
TL;DR CVA pets, looking for a new master, crying for protection.
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Hanabi Kazan
Gallente GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.27 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tagami Wasp
Originally by: Omal Oma
Or will they sit back and allow -A- to just kill the neutrals they are now tasked to protect?
Tasked to protect? Hold your hand? Wut? U mad? Can I haz soem of the stuff you've been smoking?
WE ARE NOT CVA, WAKE UP!!!!!!!
TL;DR CVA pets, looking for a new master, crying for protection.
maybe -A- will take them in, i hear they harbor washed up role playing alliances
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Gixxer 1000
Caldari Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.27 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hanabi Kazan
Originally by: Tagami Wasp
Originally by: Omal Oma
Or will they sit back and allow -A- to just kill the neutrals they are now tasked to protect?
Tasked to protect? Hold your hand? Wut? U mad? Can I haz soem of the stuff you've been smoking?
WE ARE NOT CVA, WAKE UP!!!!!!!
TL;DR CVA pets, looking for a new master, crying for protection.
maybe -A- will take them in, i hear they harbor washed up role playing alliances
Oh yeah, U mad...still. Poor failed G**nie, I'm almost feeling sorry for you.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.27 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 27/02/2010 16:50:46
Originally by: Hanabi Kazan
maybe -A- will take them in, i hear they harbor washed up role playing alliances
I hear assRing is a great place for dead alliances that have no value to play dutch oven with themselves while riding bikes.
c/d?
**edit**Who really cares what Provi turns into anyway. If you let the place go without bothering to fight then you really have no say either way eh?
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.27 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Walen If -A- and friends manage to give UK Providence then UK says they gonna run it as NRDS, but will that work?
If we delcared we were NRDS in Providence, and then shot only reds, then yes - it would work perfectly.
Or did you mean to ask something else? ----------
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Hanabi Kazan
Gallente GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.27 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gixxer 1000
Originally by: Hanabi Kazan
Originally by: Tagami Wasp
Tasked to protect? Hold your hand? Wut? U mad? Can I haz soem of the stuff you've been smoking?
WE ARE NOT CVA, WAKE UP!!!!!!!
TL;DR CVA pets, looking for a new master, crying for protection.
maybe -A- will take them in, i hear they harbor washed up role playing alliances
Oh yeah, U mad...still. Poor failed G**nie, I'm almost feeling sorry for you.
sweet burn bro
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Black Necris
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.27 17:22:00 -
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There is one thing here that needs to be clarified, CVA has a NRDS policy and police his space, but even they haven't been able to stop us or -A- from roaming around killing their doods, IF (thats if) UK takes a chunk of providence and becomes again NRDS for us like it was before, it wont change a bit from whats going on now... there will be still gangs of hostiles roaming around killing neutrals and unwise bears.
The only difference like i stated before is that UK wont be there to nanny your carebear ass, after all this is 0.0 we are talking about not Jita. IF UK holds some providence space, and peeps move in to farm it, be certain that you will need to be aware of your surroundings, and be able to protect yourself. After all its not like CVA protected the bears very well.
IMHO i think that there is a chance for a NRDS providence.
* As always, personal opinions stated, may or may not reflect those of my alliance / corporation. ** Grammar police: F**k you!
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D3rg3
Minmatar Alpann Siad Anam Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.27 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Xennith
Plus, we've still got a lot of fighting ahead of us, lets not count CVA out quite yet shall we?
qft. this is all a bit premature.
i do want to let .-A-. and U'K know however that the general feeling around New Eden is that they have done a disservice to the entire universe. take a station or two, no prob....but grind CVA and friends to dust ? not so popular.
personally I love to see the Amarr abandoned by their gods but the rest of New Eden has a bad taste in their mouth, which could cause rifts that develop into full on hatred of you guys. this could be a political nightmare down the road.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.27 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: D3rg3
i do want to let .-A-. and U'K know however that the general feeling around New Eden is that they have done a disservice to the entire universe. take a station or two, no prob....but grind CVA and friends to dust ? not so popular.
CVA chose their own path, no-one else did it for them.
And Providence has been getting fat and stale. This shake up will be good for the game.
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De Guantanamo
Gallente Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.02.27 18:22:00 -
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Why does everyone see UK as the bad guys? They are the oppressed. CVA are the pirating meanies.
Don't believe the religious propaganda guys.
Get your role-play straight.
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Sonja Miner
Caldari Dominion Delta House
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Posted - 2010.02.27 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sonja Miner on 27/02/2010 19:23:56 U'K and NRDS in provi would be like the nice old man in the van, that someone gave him, asking the kids if they want candy...
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ajduB
Minmatar Militaris Industries Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.27 20:27:00 -
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i do want to let .-A-. and U'K know however that the general feeling around New Eden is that they have done a disservice to the entire universe. take a station or two, no prob....but grind CVA and friends to dust ? not so popular.
I hope this is a joke!
Originally by: Jim Lovell
Adjub im Shocked!
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Lord Maximullis
Amarr Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.27 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: D3rg3 [
i do want to let .-A-. and U'K know however that the general feeling around New Eden is that they have done a disservice to the entire universe. take a station or two, no prob....but grind CVA and friends to dust ? not so popular.
Cry me a river. CVA are getting what they asked for.
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Borgh Brainbasher
Minmatar Path of Now and Forever
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Posted - 2010.02.27 20:59:00 -
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It is an interesting question though, how does u'k ehm -a- plan to manage providence? same nrds as cva? Total anachy? somewhere in between? if so, where on the sliding scale of giving an ass?
I assume you people will want to live in at least parts of providence so what is the plan? If you really want to develop the region you need one. I can't believe the sometimes smart ans usually pragmatic people of u'k havn't thought of anyhing yet.
I know some bits and pieces, gathered from loose posts in IGS and elsewhere but what do you really wnat? i'd like some more infomation.
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Ivan Zhuk
Gallente 1st Steps Academy Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.27 21:12:00 -
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No matter the turn out eve will go on. So far I have had more fun the past few months and trying out a new part of the game "sov warfare"/"large fleet battles" than I have had in quite some time in Eve. If UK take prov and it goes NBSI/NRDS it sure will be fun to raid. If provi stays alive ... well woot I still have a 0.0 non NPC station I can dock at
Honestly who cares what they do with their space. If you dont like it take it from them... seems to be what The Southern block is doing and frankly what The Holders were doing in Catch.
Ivan Zhuk
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Faife
Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.27 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Faife on 27/02/2010 21:57:55
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NAFnist
Caldari NAF
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Posted - 2010.02.27 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Walen If -A- and friends manage to give UK Providence then UK says they gonna run it as NRDS, but will that work? I mean -A- and UK and all there friends must operate as NRDS in Providence then, is that possible?
its called; 'reset standings'
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Jacabon Mere
Caldari Quantum Horizons Skynet Confederation
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Posted - 2010.02.27 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kali Shoumei
Originally by: Omal Oma Lets say UNITY controls Providence, what will they do when a former blue of theirs attacks a neutral in their now controlled space?
Or will they sit back and allow -A- to just kill the neutrals they are now tasked to protect?
Since when does NRDS mean you have to protect neuts?
It means 'Not Red Dont Shoot' just let me paraphrase if your a neut or blue then you dont attack them, if they are red you can.
what your suggesting would be
PNFEERAOSR = protect neuts from everyone especially reds and only shoot reds - bit of a mouthful no?
what's preventing an entity from setting any other entity red? Sounds like it's going to be a free for all. From other posts I gather you are not going to maintain a red list and are not going to assist neuts so your not offering anything except lawless space.
Well thought out plan I think not. -----------------------
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.27 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jacabon Mere
what's preventing an entity from setting any other entity red? Sounds like it's going to be a free for all. From other posts I gather you are not going to maintain a red list and are not going to assist neuts so your not offering anything except lawless space.
Well thought out plan I think not.
Seems CVA managed to skew the idea of NRDS in everyone's heads just a tad bit too much. As was explained before.
Alliance A can operate NRDS. That means if you are not red to Alliance A, you'll be safe - from Alliance A. Alliance B, however, is a whole different story.
There is no NRDS territory. That's hogwash. NRDS is a Rule of Engagement, and as such can only apply to the pilots of an individual alliance or corporation.
If you're asking for safe space in 0.0, hate to break it to you, but there is no such thing. CVA was no more capable of maintaining safety in their sphere of influence than any other alliance. Everyone knows that you watch the damn local, read the intel channels and trust only blue. A neutral can easily be a pirate. Assist neutrals? What are we, Concord?
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Kali Shoumei
Gallente British Federation Sleepless Knights Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.27 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jacabon Mere
Originally by: Kali Shoumei
Originally by: Omal Oma Lets say UNITY controls Providence, what will they do when a former blue of theirs attacks a neutral in their now controlled space?
Or will they sit back and allow -A- to just kill the neutrals they are now tasked to protect?
Since when does NRDS mean you have to protect neuts?
It means 'Not Red Dont Shoot' just let me paraphrase if your a neut or blue then you dont attack them, if they are red you can.
what your suggesting would be
PNFEERAOSR = protect neuts from everyone especially reds and only shoot reds - bit of a mouthful no?
what's preventing an entity from setting any other entity red? Sounds like it's going to be a free for all. From other posts I gather you are not going to maintain a red list and are not going to assist neuts so your not offering anything except lawless space.
Well thought out plan I think not.
no its the normal nrds methodology - what uk would be saying is that you can come here and "we"* wont shoot you unless you attack first or are proven hostile - they may well form gangs to go chase hostiles but the onus is on you to defend yourself - keep and eye on local and you can then make the choice wether to trust other neutrals or not
if you have reds on your personal corp/alliance that aren't red to uk dont expect them to protect you if they shoot you its not their problem
but likewise you dont have to go setting people who aren't bothering you red jsut because uk doesn't like them
0.0 isn't safe - it isn't supposed to be safe - that said its not that hard to protect yourself - jsut dont go and continue doing anomolies in your nyx when there is a hostile scout in system!!! (protip)
so if you want safety go hide behind concord - if you want to try 0.0 where the local sov holders wont hunt you down like a rabit dog just for not being blue then u'k prov is the place to be (once or perhaps if nrds provi policy is established) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ * 'am in no way related or affiliated with UK'
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Omal Oma
Gallente Aurelius Federation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.02.27 23:14:00 -
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If -A- doesn't follow NRDS in Providence, neutrals won't come around. If you think this is a good thing, than you defeat the purpose of what true NRDS space is.
If your space runs free with pirates and terrorists who you won't shoot because they are friendly to you, what makes you think you will ever benefit from the prosperity of NRDS space?
Neutrals won't come into Providence and you are all just lying to the masses. Maybe U'K will be NRDS, but the space won't be.
Sounds like a bit of a contradiction.
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