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Galor Trung
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.30 15:01:00 -
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Hi explorers!
I've been sitting at EFT for a while now and I tried to build a Legion or Pilgrim that is good for all exploration tasks in 0.0. As fighting can become pretty tough down there, I understand, that this probably cannot be done with just one fit.
So, is it possible to refit in 0.0, or do most of the stations forbid docking these days? And if docking is possible, could you come up with a scanning-fit and a fight/hack-fit for the same ship that is good for 0.0 exploration? Are 10/10 possible solo with such a fit? I found, that others use Tengu's, but I'd like to stick with Amarrian ships... All my tries had way too low dps to do most of the combat sites...
So, lets see what you can come up with. |
Willy Eckerslike
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.30 18:55:00 -
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A useful Legion exploration fit, designed for hisec but has apparently proven itself in nullsec also:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/61100-Legion-Drone-Explorer.html |
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
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Posted - 2012.06.30 19:00:00 -
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Pilgrim works fine for profession sites ( radars and mags ) but cannot be used to solo combat sites. Legion works well in hisec. In lowsec its quite poor ( but works to certain extent ). I haven't tried it in null but judging from its effectiveness in lowsec sites ( Blood and Sansha ) I would say that it will suck big time. Of course that is for solo exploration. When working in a team or with an alt situation can change dramatically ( the same applies to other ships as well ). |
Galor Trung
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.30 19:50:00 -
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So you say solo null-sec exploration won't work? |
Galor Trung
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.30 19:52:00 -
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I'd say it is good for scanning down the sites, but fighting should be hard with that fit in nullsec. |
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:23:00 -
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It will work ( in some sites at least ) but at the same time it will be very ineffective and take large amount of time ( when solo ). Many ships will work but it is more about how effective they will be. If you will need to warp out constantly because of failing tank or when your damage isn't good enough to break tanks of some bosses/stations then it will make those ships ineffective.
You can do profession sites solo in Pilgrim but be prepared that your effectiveness will not be great as you can only use medium drones. Some profession sites are quite easy though and even in Pilgrim they can be done effectively. You really can't do combat sites in Pilgrim.
As I said - I didn't do nullsec exploration in Legion but I used it in lowsec ( Blood/Sansha/Gurista/Serpentis ). I'm using Proteus/Tengu/Ishtar in null ( Serpentis/Guristas ). Those are the most effective sub-BS ships for exploration ( at least in those spaces ).
Laser Legion really cannot be used outside of Blood/Sansha space ( your base damage output is not that great and when you use it against rats with higher em resistances it will get even worse ). Even in those damage-optimal spaces it is not good because Blood/Sansha rats like to use tracking disruptors so you will have hard time hitting with your lasers. Another problem is with tanking here. Legion isn't that good at tanking TH damage.
HAM Legion should be much better than laser. You could use it in any space ( damage wise ) but you will have troubles with tanking in certain spaces. Another problem is very low range of this setup. This however is the only setup that could work.
Also remember that null is generally intended for team work. It can be done solo but you really need to use appropriate ships for that. Going with alt in another combat ship is very helpful here. In some sites you will need to deal with a lot of incoming dps, neuting and webbing so having good tanker ( like Tengu ) is a must. On top of that some sites require you to destroy stations with very heavy tanks. |
Galor Trung
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.01 11:08:00 -
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Sounds not very good for Amarrian explorers then. So, for me this could mean that I'll try the HAM-Legion and stick to low sec. A 5/10 or 6/10 plex should still be doable in a HAM-Legion I assume. Also, I'd like to stick in Sansha/Blood Space. So HAM's are better against the tracking disruption of the Sanshas
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote: Even in those damage-optimal spaces it is not good because Blood/Sansha rats like to use tracking disruptors so you will have hard time hitting with your lasers.
Blood Raiders in fact eat your cap instead of tracking disruption, but that not noce to a lazor boat too... |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2012.07.01 20:35:00 -
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Galor Trung wrote:Blood Raiders in fact eat your cap instead of tracking disruption, but that not noce to a lazor boat too...
They do both. Some low sec sites are heavier on one than the other but most have at least some of each. The exception is 6/10, which only sometimes has neuts (Corpus Harbingers) and has no TD at all. But definitely go into any site for the first time expecting both. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.07.02 11:24:00 -
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Galor Trung wrote:Sounds not very good for Amarrian explorers then. So, for me this could mean that I'll try the HAM-Legion and stick to low sec. A 5/10 or 6/10 plex should still be doable in a HAM-Legion I assume. Also, I'd like to stick in Sansha/Blood Space. So HAM's are better against the tracking disruption of the Sanshas Tomcio FromFarAway wrote: Even in those damage-optimal spaces it is not good because Blood/Sansha rats like to use tracking disruptors so you will have hard time hitting with your lasers.
Blood Raiders in fact eat your cap instead of tracking disruption, but that not noce to a lazor boat too...
Errrrm...Might want to rethink that:
In the DED 5/10s (I've done the Angels, Sasha's, and Serpentis ones, just not yet in a T3), you land in the third (final) room about 50-ish km from three stasis-webber towers, which--along with the rest of the room, naturally--auto-aggro you. HAMs, even Javelins with max skills and rigs, won't have the range to hit them, AFAIK--Laser/Drone Legion looks like it will (the Drone Scoping subby, or whatever it's called, as shown in that Battleclinic fit linked above, seems like it might work decently well).
Legion's native resists should make it tank Angels quite nicely, and the damage-type limit is somewhat offset by using the right drones, but again, just theory-crafting so far.
Loki, maybe? I think an Arty-Ki would be the only one that has the range, though, and DPS seems a bit "meh," at least on paper.
In irae, veritas. |
OMGxxxOMG
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.03 02:11:00 -
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IF you need cloak to run them just stay in hisec and run L4s. You will make more isk/h. If you dont need cloak, it all depends on how much money you want to throw into the legion. Though I would suggest HAM legion. Lazor is inferior even in Sansha and Blood space. WHY some might think? They use lots of cap (bad vs blood), they have to track the target to hit it (bad vs sansha). Another thing to note with HAM Legion: FIGHT ANGELS. They mostly orbit at closer ranges so you wont have to chase them around so much.
GL |
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Galor Trung
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:38:00 -
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Thx again @all. So far I stay in HS with a all-in-one Harb and had some decent findings. Looks like a few more days and I have the iskies to buy a low sec boat. Considering all your comments, HAM-Legion still seems to be the option of choice. |
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