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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
771
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:38:00 -
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Dasola wrote:Makes me wish i was better EvE player then i am. Too lazy to master secrets of great wealth in this game so i could go and blow it up in some god forgotten corner of space
You don't need any isk in a good alliance with a stellar SRP. . |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
216
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:03:00 -
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not super happy about this.
CCP saw an opportunity to prop up the marketing campaign they were going to do around AT anyways and jumped on it (Linkage) - but at this point nobody really knows if there will be any big war in Delve.
In my opinion Delve might be the prelude to a big war in winter this year but I'm not convinced it will be the big war itself.
It's July - people in the northern hemisphere will spend limited time playing until at least September. The Southern Coalition & friends appears to be somewhat improvised and ragtag - not sure if they already had the political work done that will allow them to rely on each other in good faith (as opposed to being afraid to commit because one of their allies might still decide to pull out). The Russians still seem to suffer heavily from the aftermath of their civil war and miss as a counter-weight to the CFC. Delve may be valuable once tech is nerfed but it isn't super valuable right now. With NCdot leaning towards the CFC side and the status of IRC being unclear (afaik) there seems to be little chance of applying any significant pressure to the CFC in the North (where so many of its "pets" are living - these pet alliances are the only ones who might be convinced to change sides, redeploy to save their homeland, etc).
The cards seem to be ridiculously stacked in favor of the CFC right now - so why not let them grind through Delve, Querious and maybe Period Basis first and let them spread thin? Last i recall TEST had a lot of trouble finding enough pets to keep Fountain filled, how effectively can the CFC fill an additional three regions? and what will happen to the alliances they install there once the main forces move back home? can they grow fast enough to fill the shoes that GSF, TEST and PL leave them? Or will goons and TEST actually maintain a strong presence in these regions and be constantly split between Period Basis and Deklein?
Alternatively: If you want to fight the CFC you have to create some dissent between their members. You won't get TEST and Goons to reset each other "for realz" any time soon. However, while a few alliances get the spotlight in the CFC the coalition has gradually acquired an impressive list of weak allies/pets since the fall of the old NC. These pets are the logical targets of any efforts to weaken the CFC. After a successful invasion there are always some 2nd/3rd tier alliances who think they didn't get their fair share of the spoils and that is the only time at which you see significant unhappiness/conflict among CFC pets. Anybody remember the FCON drama in January?
In my opinion (and I know that I am missing a lot of the facts that I would need to know to claim that this opinion is "informed" in any way) there is a lot to be said for not having a major war right now from the SoCo's POV. The additional power gain the CFC will experience from these regions won't be tremendous seeing where they already stand ISK and power-wise and an additional 2-3 months to prepare for a less lopsided war might benefit the Southern Coalition. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1142
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:14:00 -
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Ah yes, our "pets". Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:37:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:not super happy about this. CCP saw an opportunity to prop up the marketing campaign they were going to do around AT anyways and jumped on it ( Linkage) - but at this point nobody really knows if there will be any big war in Delve. In my opinion Delve might be the prelude to a big war in winter this year but I'm not convinced it will be the big war itself. It's July - people in the northern hemisphere will spend limited time playing until at least September. The Southern Coalition & friends appears to be somewhat improvised and ragtag - not sure if they already had the political work done that will allow them to rely on each other in good faith (as opposed to being afraid to commit because one of their allies might still decide to pull out). The Russians still seem to suffer heavily from the aftermath of their civil war and miss as a counter-weight to the CFC. Delve may be valuable once tech is nerfed but it isn't super valuable right now. With NCdot leaning towards the CFC side and the status of IRC being unclear (afaik) there seems to be little chance of applying any significant pressure to the CFC in the North (where so many of its "pets" are living - these pet alliances are the only ones who might be convinced to change sides, redeploy to save their homeland, etc). The cards seem to be ridiculously stacked in favor of the CFC right now - so why not let them grind through Delve, Querious and maybe Period Basis first and let them spread thin? Last i recall TEST had a lot of trouble finding enough pets to keep Fountain filled, how effectively can the CFC fill an additional three regions? and what will happen to the alliances they install there once the main forces move back home? can they grow fast enough to fill the shoes that GSF, TEST and PL leave them? Or will goons and TEST actually maintain a strong presence in these regions and be constantly split between Period Basis and Deklein? If you want to fight the CFC you have to create some dissent between their members. You won't get TEST and Goons to reset each other "for realz" any time soon. However, while a few alliances get the spotlight in the CFC the coalition has gradually acquired an impressive list of weak allies/pets since the fall of the old NC. These pets are the logical targets of any efforts to weaken the CFC. After a successful invasion there are always some 2nd/3rd tier alliances who feel like they didn't get their fair share of the spoils and that is the only time at which you see significant unhappiness/conflict among CFC pets. Anybody remember the FCON drama in January? In my opinion (and I know that I am missing a lot of the facts that I would need to claim that this opinion is "informed" in any way) there is a lot to be said for not having a major war right now from the SoCo's POV. The additional power gain the CFC will experience from these regions won't be tremendous seeing where they already stand ISK and power-wise and an additional 2-3 months to prepare for a less lopsided war might benefit the Southern Coalition. tl;dr me feeling uncomfortable about CCP creating media hype for a big war in Delve that simply might not happen. This would be such an intelligent post, if the war wasn't already happening.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1142
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:42:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:This would be such an intelligent post, if the war wasn't already happening. There is no war in Delve.
We are only providing humanitarian aid to the repressed 99 Percent. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
780
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:45:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:not super happy about this. CCP saw an opportunity to prop up the marketing campaign they were going to do around AT anyways and jumped on it ( Linkage) - but at this point nobody really knows if there will be any big war in Delve. In my opinion Delve might be the prelude to a big war in winter this year but I'm not convinced it will be the big war itself. It's July - people in the northern hemisphere will spend limited time playing until at least September. The Southern Coalition & friends appears to be somewhat improvised and ragtag - not sure if they already had the political work done that will allow them to rely on each other in good faith (as opposed to being afraid to commit because one of their allies might still decide to pull out). The Russians still seem to suffer heavily from the aftermath of their civil war and miss as a counter-weight to the CFC. Delve may be valuable once tech is nerfed but it isn't super valuable right now. With NCdot leaning towards the CFC side and the status of IRC being unclear (afaik) there seems to be little chance of applying any significant pressure to the CFC in the North (where so many of its "pets" are living - these pet alliances are the only ones who might be convinced to change sides, redeploy to save their homeland, etc). The cards seem to be ridiculously stacked in favor of the CFC right now - so why not let them grind through Delve, Querious and maybe Period Basis first and let them spread thin? Last i recall TEST had a lot of trouble finding enough pets to keep Fountain filled, how effectively can the CFC fill an additional three regions? and what will happen to the alliances they install there once the main forces move back home? can they grow fast enough to fill the shoes that GSF, TEST and PL leave them? Or will goons and TEST actually maintain a strong presence in these regions and be constantly split between Period Basis and Deklein? If you want to fight the CFC you have to create some dissent between their members. You won't get TEST and Goons to reset each other "for realz" any time soon. However, while a few alliances get the spotlight in the CFC the coalition has gradually acquired an impressive list of weak allies/pets since the fall of the old NC. These pets are the logical targets of any efforts to weaken the CFC. After a successful invasion there are always some 2nd/3rd tier alliances who feel like they didn't get their fair share of the spoils and that is the only time at which you see significant unhappiness/conflict among CFC pets. Anybody remember the FCON drama in January? In my opinion (and I know that I am missing a lot of the facts that I would need to claim that this opinion is "informed" in any way) there is a lot to be said for not having a major war right now from the SoCo's POV. The additional power gain the CFC will experience from these regions won't be tremendous seeing where they already stand ISK and power-wise and an additional 2-3 months to prepare for a less lopsided war might benefit the Southern Coalition. tl;dr me feeling uncomfortable about CCP creating media hype for a big war in Delve that simply might not happen.
This post is full of almost completely false information, and is so incredibly out of touch with the reality of the situation that it's shocking you took the time to put it all into print.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:45:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:This would be such an intelligent post, if the war wasn't already happening. There is no war in Delve. We are only providing humanitarian aid to the repressed 99 Percent. You know, I thought it was strange that we keep moving freighters into delve. |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Deadman W0nderland
357
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:46:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:This would be such an intelligent post, if the war wasn't already happening. There is no war in Delve. We are only providing humanitarian aid to the repressed 99 Percent.
Dearest Goonwaffe STOP Please bring more SBU's STOP At this rate we will never make it all the way around the map to VFK STOP And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1713
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:47:00 -
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Dasola wrote:Makes me wish i was better EvE player then i am. Too lazy to master secrets of great wealth in this game so i could go and blow it up in some god forgotten corner of space
All the good alliances pay you to lose **** in fleets, and welcome newbies in rifters who know little more than "target the red things and push the scramble button". TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
ACE McFACE
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
726
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:54:00 -
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TheBreadMuncher wrote:ACE McFACE wrote: OOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG, MASSIVE RAGE RIGHT HERE Okay mate, the OCD clinic is down the street. Bye. *cough*itwasajoke*cough* I just gotta go fast! |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1142
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Posted - 2012.07.02 01:00:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Dasola wrote:Makes me wish i was better EvE player then i am. Too lazy to master secrets of great wealth in this game so i could go and blow it up in some god forgotten corner of space All the good alliances pay you to lose **** in fleets, and welcome newbies in rifters who know little more than "target the red things and push the scramble button". Point before you web ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
836
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Posted - 2012.07.02 01:04:00 -
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I like that you posted this OP. I've been thinking a lot myself about what we can do to get more people in. Now that CCP has pretty much pulled it's head out of it's a** I don't mind referring friends and others...
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
777
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Posted - 2012.07.02 01:15:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:This would be such an intelligent post, if the war wasn't already happening. There is no war in Delve. We are only providing humanitarian aid to the repressed 99 Percent. Dearest Goonwaffe STOP Please bring more SBU's STOP At this rate we will never make it all the way around the map to VFK STOP You owe me a new keyboard. Why did you take my wings away? |
Captinn Hook
Gehlord Azz Wreckers Inver Brass
0
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Posted - 2012.07.02 04:09:00 -
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delve who? |
Steve Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.07.02 04:19:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:After reading all that there seems to be two people in this world.
People who haven't played EVE before and can't really accurately explain it. People who have played EVE before and can't really accurately explain it. The scary part is that all too often EvEs own Developers seem to be in one or both of thoes catagories.
Granted sometimes theres good reason why that is the case.....
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knobber Jobbler
189
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Posted - 2012.07.02 06:16:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:anything we do gets attention even better when we end up killing the reporter. you only killed him once, i escorted him the rest of the way
Then some numpty in FA kept killing on the undock despite repeated calls to leave him be. Was fun though! |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
663
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Posted - 2012.07.02 06:42:00 -
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Its not that surprising.
Pcgamer and kotaku have been heavily covering Eve for years now. They both covered the goon Jita campaign as well as the entire monoclegate fiasco last year. And you can go back further than that as well. |
Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.07.02 06:51:00 -
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Nice. Numerous whacko's with ghey names are blobbing in Delve.
Glad I am not there.
Quote:the goon Jita campaign
gotta be the most hilaious thing I have ever read in GD. Gawd CCP, save your game, QUICK! |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
663
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Posted - 2012.07.02 06:55:00 -
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Mistah Ewedynao wrote:Nice. Numerous whacko's with ghey names are blobbing in Delve. Glad I am not there. Quote:the goon Jita campaign gotta be the most hilaious thing I have ever read in GD. Gawd CCP, save your game, QUICK!
There were some non gamin related sites that talked about burn Nita as well. But for the most part they wrote the articles fro A standpoint of how Eve in unique. And that the players can organize their own game changing events. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8321
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Posted - 2012.07.02 06:58:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:GǪand cracked magazine had Eve in their top ten biggest **** moves of gaming history article. GǪtwice.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
663
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Posted - 2012.07.02 07:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:JC Anderson wrote:GǪand cracked magazine had Eve in their top ten biggest **** moves of gaming history article. GǪtwice.
Oh that's right!
Eve occupied two different slots in a single top ten list! |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
216
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Posted - 2012.07.02 08:09:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:This would be such an intelligent post, if the war wasn't already happening. Have you seen -A- or Raiden commit to the defense of Delve/Querious? I haven't.
All I see is "no CTAs/Ops have been posted yet", "we're still setting up", "we'll actually start defending this week, ahem, by friday, ahem, on the weekend, ahem, on monday, ahem during the week, ...", ...
So far I haven't seen anything that would cause me to retract my claim that a "great war" might simply not happen; that the SoCo might decide to give up Delve/Querious/PB without much of a fight hoping for a counter-offensive in fall (by when they might be able to steamroll a few of the newly installed CFC pets to gain momentum).
Maybe I'm missing something crucial (or listened too much to your own propaganda ) - in that case it would be nice to give me a pointer. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1143
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Posted - 2012.07.02 16:49:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:So far I haven't seen anything that would cause me to retract my claim that a "great war" might simply not happen; that the SoCo might decide to give up Delve/Querious/PB without much of a fight hoping for a counter-offensive in fall (by when they might be able to steamroll a few of the newly installed CFC pets to gain momentum). There are some indications this might happen.
They're gonna have a lot of fun trying to grind through all the structures that we'll have to put up/flip. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1399
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Posted - 2012.07.02 17:12:00 -
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yeah -a- is known for hating structure grinds, that is true |
Alara IonStorm
2544
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Posted - 2012.07.02 17:12:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote: But maybe the game "journalists" aren't actually interested in journalism (shocker), won't try to follow up on the story and all CCP will be left with is a bunch of positive articles about the start of a big war that never happened in reality. I'd probably be bad at this PR stuff.
Yeah.
You can turn a Tuesday into the war to end if you try hard enough.
Say everyone does pullout and Delve gets steamrolled. Run 4 or 5 articles over 3 weeks on the so called "war". 300 Battlecruisers here, 200 Battleships there, 50 Supercaps Cyno in. Run momentum stories about the invaders constant string of victories and leave out the part of little opposition while focusing on big fleet sizes. Hype every small fight into a major battle which to an outsider 100+ Battlecruisers seems like a big deal, report a small 50 man Tengu gang as one side resorting to super high tech ships like special forces. Talk about a great retreat of one side and praise the victors. End the whole thing on the note that there will be a build up and counter attack in the future. Then list the number of casualties which would seem big.
Only people who will contest it will be some folks in the comment section who already play the game and 90% won't read while 75% of those who do will think them whiners. Come Fall start up reporting again with even bigger numbers and talk about how that is the EVE War to end all wars and before the "Big War" was just a prelude to the massive war.
Good Spin means you never have to say sorry or admit you were wrong. Non existent wars have been waged in the press for entertainment for centuries. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1143
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Posted - 2012.07.02 17:22:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:yeah -a- is known for hating structure grinds, that is true Hm, is that so.
Well anyway they needn't worry, when the structure comes out of reinforce, we'll be there. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Asl Pls
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:16:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
815
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:29:00 -
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Here is a news flash, sov warfare is boring, time consuming and is a significant contributor to player obesity.
There, I have just given you a far more accurate and in depth news broadcast. Enjoy.
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Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
169
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:35:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Are you there?!
I was nowhere near there. Whilst the brave few are tanking and dying the The Great 2012 Delve War, I was busy dating their girlfriends, sisters, and wives. |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
448
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:35:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:So far I haven't seen anything that would cause me to retract my claim that a "great war" might simply not happen; that the SoCo might decide to give up Delve/Querious/PB without much of a fight hoping for a counter-offensive in fall (by when they might be able to steamroll a few of the newly installed CFC pets to gain momentum). There are some indications this might happen. They're gonna have a lot of fun trying to grind through all the structures that we'll have to put up/flip.
How will you buy structures when the tech rebalancing goes through? Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á |
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