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Norrin Ellis
Heritage Foundation
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Posted - 2010.04.13 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn
It may come as a small surprise to you, but some people are simply not intimidated by threats of CONCORD-sanctioned War. I would submit to you that Norrin Ellis is one such person, as he has repeatedly defied you and given only condescending lip-service as responses to your numerous attempts to establish and project a measure of authority in this situation. Speaking solely as a private State citizen who happens to live lawfully in the Empire, I am very curious to see whether or not your posturing will actually lead to dramatic and effective consequences against the Heritage Foundation. By that I mean offensive action that incurs costly damages, rather than a War Declaration that is solely a pile of paperwork sitting on some CONCORD bureaucrat's desk for a couple of weeks. Speaking from the perspective of a Caldari entrepreneur, I'm willing to open a betting pool on this controversy and back your stake in it. Surely one of the Empire's leaders would not be so vocal in such a matter unless she was fully capable of exercising her lawful authority and bringing swift ruin to a repeated transgressor, ne?
Anyone interested in placing bets on whether or not House Kyriel will move against--and decimate--the Heritage Foundation within the next week may contact me directly to make arrangements for Kredits transfer. This betting pool shall run for a maximum of one week, with pay-outs to be made as soon as we hear word of House Kyriel's decisive victory--or incredibly unlikely defeat--in action against the Heritage Foundation. Limit one bet per customer. Bets may not be split between options. Please include in correspondence whether you believe House Kyriel will be victorious (commment: VICTORY) against the Heritage Foundation; or, if you believe they will either be defeated or take no action (comment: DEFEAT). The house (in this case, me) reserves the right to back either bet or neither bet (but not both), and calculated odds will remain confidential until the time of pay-out. All bets are non-refundable. Offer is open to all Capsuleers and Capsuleer organizations.
This is indeed a most curious development.
Golly gee, Lyris! It might be easier to simply place a bounty on my head, old friend. Of course, you should know as well as anyone how rarely I can be bothered to undock, war or not.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari Hashimoto Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.13 15:53:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 13/04/2010 15:55:44
Originally by: Norrin Ellis
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel You have declared war on MHASS corporation twice despite this.
You seem to be misinformed. I never rescinded the first declaration of war. I simply choose not to pursue the target aggressively, per my prior agreement with Mr. Shutaq and, at present, because I'm willing to give Lord Murkon some latitude to deal with the matter. Once his report is published, I'll decide how I care to proceed.
I don't suppose you'd care to place a wager on how House Kyriel will respond to your repeated insolence towards Imperial jurisprudence? Or perhaps you'd like to make a statement concerning the realpolitik of the Amarrian Holder community?
Originally by: Norrin Ellis
Golly gee, Lyris! It might be easier to simply place a bounty on my head, old friend. Of course, you should know as well as anyone how rarely I can be bothered to undock, war or not.
Nonsense! I'm simply putting into finer words (thereby more suitable for capitalistic opportunity) what the speaker for House Kyriel has already stated. How she or anyone else will respond is entirely their own affair, and neither I nor my corporation will be held liable for any conduct or events which may occur during or as a result of this betting pool.
Besides: think of the odds if you bet against yourself!
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:24:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
MHASS corporation is an Imperial capsuleer-led organization that collects and sells slaves. If they do this withing the confines of the law has come into question. That question should be and is right now, being answered by proper Imperial authorities. We are cleaning our own house.
You are not a citizen of the Empire and thus have no right to interfere in an affair we created and effectively deal with. You have declared war on MHASS corporation twice despite this. By CONCORD regulations this is in your right as both parties are capsuleers. By Imperial standard this is not needed
We as capsuleers are governed by the laws of CONCORD and those of the space we're physically in at the time, pilot. As I'm currently in Matari space I could give less than a damn about your imperial laws.
This became he concern of the greater community when Mehatek posted an ad for her service on the IGS. Had she confined herself to plying her trade and advertising her services purely within the confines of the Empire your argument would have merit. However, she chose to involve the rest of the community and is now dealing with the consequences.
On another note, just who the hell do you think you are telling any of us what we can or cannot be involved with? Did Mehatek hire you as her attorney, or personal security detail? Did Jamyl suddenly die and turn over the throne to you? I find your arrogance breathtaking, but hardly unexpected coming from a loyalist mouthpiece such as yourself.
I'll make you a deal Kyriel; when your empire releases all those held in involuntary servitude and officially renounces the "reclaiming" then I'll have no further reason to concern myself with affairs that occur within Amarrian borders. Until that time however, I'll do as I see fit according to my own dictates. |
Lyris Nairn
Caldari Hashimoto Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:39:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Anabella Rella
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel Authoritarian posturing
Reactionary posturing
Could I interest you, my dear madam, in placing a bet on the outcome of this conflict of words?
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:59:00 -
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My reply was a simple statement of facts, not posturing. Pilot Kyriel has no authority over anyone other than herself and none of us would have gotten involved had Mehatek limited herself to the Empire. Period. I made no threats either explicit or implicit.
Don't you have pain and suffering somewhere to attempt to profit from Pilot Nairn? Wasting time being a provocateur here in the IGS surely can't be making you any isk.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari Hashimoto Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.13 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Anabella Rella Moral superiority.
So will that bet be for or against House Kyrieal's victory over the Heritage Foundation?
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.04.13 18:47:00 -
[127]
More moral superiority incoming to save you the trouble of categorization:
Neither. Unlike yourself I do not wish to make money from the deaths of others. |
Lyris Nairn
Caldari Hashimoto Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.13 18:58:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Anabella Rella More moral superiority incoming to save you the trouble of categorization:
Neither. Unlike yourself I do not wish to make money from the deaths of others.
Oh really? Do you mean to tell me that you have never collected a CONCORD-issued bounty on a "Pirate-faction" ship, or completed a "kill mission" from an Agent? Do you mean to tell me that you do not loot wrecks of your enemies, or that you do not sell items which may be used for violence? I sincerely doubt that you are in any moral position to look down on your friendly, neighborhood arms merchant.
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.04.13 19:28:00 -
[129]
I am and I do. Good day, pilot. |
Lyris Nairn
Caldari Hashimoto Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.13 19:40:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Anabella Rella I am and I do. Good day, pilot.
I find it amusing that you did not answer the questions that seem to contradict your stance on this issue. You go on deluding yourself and denying your nature. Enjoy your day.
Back to relevant matters: - Place your bets now on the conflict between the House Kyriel and the Heritage Foundation!
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Norrin Ellis
Heritage Foundation
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Posted - 2010.04.14 12:49:00 -
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Lyris, is there anything you won't do to make a few ISK?
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Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.14 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Norrin Ellis You seem to be misinformed. I never rescinded the first declaration of war. I simply choose not to pursue the target aggressively, per my prior agreement with Mr. Shutaq and, at present, because I'm willing to give Lord Murkon some latitude to deal with the matter. Once his report is published, I'll decide how I care to proceed.
If this is indeed the case then yes, I was miss-informed. However actively declaring war again or simply avoiding continued aggression in a legal conflict (per CONCORD standards) are practically the same so long as the result is that you avoid actually hurting any more employees of MHASS.
As I've said already I'm glad to see that your willing to avoid aggression and wait. I suspect we will know Lord Murkon's decition on this the coming Sunday when his inspection takes place û you should attend as well, and perhaps we could all part ways in peace.
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Anabella Rella
If you care about Imperial laws or not is not my concern Republican, having a simple request like ôkindly let us deal with out own issues before opening fireö is. Norrin Ellis took it on himself to declare war on MHASS and hunt it's one Capsuleer in space. The only thing he could do with that is kill whatever crew is on any MHASS ship he destroy.
I on the other hand have the right to declare war on MHASS and have my men physically restrain any and all MHASS employees while an investigation into the group's work is done û had Mr. Ellis done the same he would likely have received resistance form the local Imperial forces and morally correct opposition from MHASS itself. I had the liberty, being in a position as holder, to resolve that same issue far more peacefully and with considerably more right.
So, who am I to tell you what you can and can't do? Nobody. Just a minor holder lording over some 2.3 million citizens nearby who took it on herself to deal with a problem in her own backyard and tell you all to leave it to us. Obviously, if EM declared war on either myself or MHASS all I could do was ask you to stop û I have no authority to actually force you to stop by law û other than trying in vain to stop you by force. Heritage Foundation however, are odds I can theoretically handle, so instead of just asking him nicely to lay off MHASS, I could and did warn him of consequences as well, and I did prepare for a possible conflict as my odds where realistic.
Finally, for your deal û I don't think you know how glad I'd be if I could actually accept your terms. I'm a reformer û I long for and carefully make political aims for a day when slavery is not just slowly 'softened' but completely abolished. That will happened one day, a day I wish to see. I can't, however, fault you for being impatient. Nor can I legally comply with your wish today. Slavery is part of the Imperial system. As long as it is, I continue to obey the law and do what is asked of me.
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Lyris Nairn
Your wasting your time. The odds a war will break out is horribly small, and if it does whoever walks away with 'victory' remains to be seen. Question though; don't you find anything morally lacking about betting about who might kill who in a war that may or may not break out?
I'd stick to gambling over Splintzer matchers or whatever they were called. _________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House Kador and the Empire. |
Norrin Ellis
Heritage Foundation
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Posted - 2010.04.14 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Norrin Ellis on 14/04/2010 13:03:02 I've no interest in attending a farcical inspection in which Ms. Mehatek can simply show Lord Murkon what she wants him to see. At this point, there's really no amount of scrutiny that will uncover the truth; it's simply a song and dance for the benefit of public relations. Since I've already paid CONCORD the price of admission, I might as well enjoy the show until the last song plays.
I'm not particularly interested in Lord Murkon's findings, as I presume he will declare MHASS a respectable slave trading organization in accordance with Imperial standards, but I am quite interested in exactly how he justifies MHASS activities.
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Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.14 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Norrin Ellis Edited by: Norrin Ellis on 14/04/2010 13:03:02 I've no interest in attending a farcical inspection in which Ms. Mehatek can simply show Lord Murkon what she wants him to see. At this point, there's really no amount of scrutiny that will uncover the truth; it's simply a song and dance for the benefit of public relations. Since I've already paid CONCORD the price of admission, I might as well enjoy the show until the last song plays.
I'm not particularly interested in Lord Murkon's findings, as I presume he will declare MHASS a respectable slave trading organization in accordance with Imperial standards, but I am quite interested in exactly how he justifies MHASS activities.
You on that. What are you planning on doing though?
_________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House Kador and the Empire. |
Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.04.14 17:54:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
Anabella Rella
If you care about Imperial laws or not is not my concern Republican, having a simple request like ôkindly let us deal with out own issues before opening fireö is. Norrin Ellis took it on himself to declare war on MHASS and hunt it's one Capsuleer in space. The only thing he could do with that is kill whatever crew is on any MHASS ship he destroy.
I on the other hand have the right to declare war on MHASS and have my men physically restrain any and all MHASS employees while an investigation into the group's work is done û had Mr. Ellis done the same he would likely have received resistance form the local Imperial forces and morally correct opposition from MHASS itself. I had the liberty, being in a position as holder, to resolve that same issue far more peacefully and with considerably more right.
So, who am I to tell you what you can and can't do? Nobody. Just a minor holder lording over some 2.3 million citizens nearby who took it on herself to deal with a problem in her own backyard and tell you all to leave it to us. Obviously, if EM declared war on either myself or MHASS all I could do was ask you to stop û I have no authority to actually force you to stop by law û other than trying in vain to stop you by force. Heritage Foundation however, are odds I can theoretically handle, so instead of just asking him nicely to lay off MHASS, I could and did warn him of consequences as well, and I did prepare for a possible conflict as my odds where realistic.
Finally, for your deal û I don't think you know how glad I'd be if I could actually accept your terms. I'm a reformer û I long for and carefully make political aims for a day when slavery is not just slowly 'softened' but completely abolished. That will happened one day, a day I wish to see. I can't, however, fault you for being impatient. Nor can I legally comply with your wish today. Slavery is part of the Imperial system. As long as it is, I continue to obey the law and do what is asked of me.
Pilot Kyriel you seem to have missed my main point which is; that all of us within the greater IGS community earned the right to intervene in Mehatek's business when she chose to throw open its doors to us (in an intentionally provocative manner that was nearly universally decried as offensive).
You seem to be a person of goodwill and reason, so I'll take you at your word that your intent was to be allowed to handle this matter according to Amarrian traditions and laws. I was sensing a cover-up in the making so I chose to speak out.
As a reformer I'd hope that you'd counsel other slave dealers who may be considering doing business with the wider community against behaving as Mehatek did. |
Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.14 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Anabella Rella Pilot Kyriel you seem to have missed my main point which is; that all of us within the greater IGS community earned the right to intervene in Mehatek's business when she chose to throw open its doors to us (in an intentionally provocative manner that was nearly universally decried as offensive).
You seem to be a person of goodwill and reason, so I'll take you at your word that your intent was to be allowed to handle this matter according to Amarrian traditions and laws. I was sensing a cover-up in the making so I chose to speak out.
As a reformer I'd hope that you'd counsel other slave dealers who may be considering doing business with the wider community against behaving as Mehatek did.
I'm glad we understand each other, at least. I will agree on that Mehatek's PR stunt was a very self-defeating move. She angered far more people than I think she expected and got considerable heat for her claims, an investigation, verbal threats, a war-declaration and more. I have faith however that she's learned her lesson regardless and that it's in good hands now - I'll leave it at that.
You sensed a cover-up? I think I can see why you believed that. Come sunday I think we will know for sure.
As a reformer my position is today on shaky ground allready. I'm only a minor holder - I don't lord over a system, planet or even continent, but a small part of a very large planet. I'm in contact with most holders of my own rank, around myself and we all mostly hold to the same standard, given a few varieties. This is why I was so shocked to find Mehatek's claims and those of Aemilia - I'm used to a far higher standard.
I've been holder for a short time and capsuleer even shorter. I expect any possible influence in either capacity will grow with time. _________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House Kador and the Empire. |
Deshat Mehatek
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.16 02:31:00 -
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On Tuesday the 13th, I was contacted by an agent of Inara Subaka. This agent requested that I sell her crew for a Pilgrim-class force recon cruiser. I refused when she revealed that her employer worked with the Cartel, but agreed to allow Inara to attempt to convince me she was acceptible to do buisness with. I met with her at an establishment owned by her corporation, Ghost Festival. She gave me preliminary evidence that suggested it would be acceptable to do buisness with her.
I suggested a date for a sale to be made. That date was today, the 15th. In the intervening time, I have consulted with religious officials and researched Subaka's claims. What has emerged is that I was lied to. Subaka claimed she and the Empire had mutual goals, but she often associates and assists those who work to hinder those goals, and even worked to hinder those goals herself.
Inara Subaka, until you dedicate yourself to the Empire's service, I will have no dealings with you.
Final note: The inspection of my facilities by Lord Murkon will occur next Sunday, between 18:00 and 22:00 EVE standard time. I encourage all to attend, and even those who would otherwise attempt to fight me are welcome and have my garuantee of safety for the duration of their visit.
I would also encourage all of you who wish to attend to take any security measures you wish, such as noifying others of your intention or broadcasting a live feed from within the facility.
Deshat Mehatek
PS: As always, I encourage other random inspections to dissuade the lie that I have prepared things specially for Lord Murkon.
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Norrin Ellis
Heritage Foundation
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Posted - 2010.04.16 03:37:00 -
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I have resumed combat operations against Deshat Mehatek, not for any interest in her business operations, but solely for personal contempt. Come what may, I have no further public comment to make. Her haughty attitude has exhausted my personal willingness to extend her any sort of grace whatsoever.
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Deshat Mehatek
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.16 04:23:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Norrin Ellis I have resumed combat operations against Deshat Mehatek, not for any interest in her business operations, but solely for personal contempt. Come what may, I have no further public comment to make. Her haughty attitude has exhausted my personal willingness to extend her any sort of grace whatsoever.
Given that I did nothing to provoke Ellis, not even speak to him, I think we can all agree he no longer can claim any moral faculties. He is now fully in it for his ego.
Congratulations for confirming what I had already said, Ellis.
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Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.16 09:03:00 -
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House Kyriel Inc. has declared war on Heritage Foundation. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
I will do what I must. God have mercy on our souls.
_________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House Kador and the Empire. |
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari Hashimoto Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.16 17:20:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel House Kyriel Inc. has declared war on Heritage Foundation. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
I will do what I must. God have mercy on our souls.
Four more days to place bets, ladies and gentlemen!
Will the declaration of war be just for show? Will the righteous Amarrian Holder inflict devastating damage on the morally bankrupt? Will the devious unbeliever evade the wrath he's rightfully wrought unto himself?
Place your bets now!
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Norrin Ellis
Heritage Foundation
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Posted - 2010.04.19 20:57:00 -
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In light of Jesmine Kyriel's willingness to relentlessly stand by her word in defense of MHASS, I have retracted the war declaration against Mehatek Slave Services. While Ms. Kyriel and I are not friends by any stretch of imagination, I simply have no reason to engage her in further combat over my contempt for MHASS. I should hope that MHASS offers due appreciation to House Kyriel for achieving this objective.
Unfortunately, upon de-mutualizing war with House Kyriel and attempting to return items retrieved following several engagements with Ms. Kyriel, I have been informed that her intention is to exact vengeance for losses incurred. The following excerpt from a letter received today substantiates the motive for continued hostilities:
"All I want from you is your life and the wreck of that Navy comet you refuse to leave."
I will not be pursuing further aggressive action, but will defend my ships as any responsible captain would. I congratulate House Kyriel on achieving the initial objective, and the offer to return all equipment confiscated as a result of our engagements stands.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari Hashimoto Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.19 21:27:00 -
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It sounds as though House Kyriel bit off more than it could proverbially chew, and, after receiving an offer of truce and forgiveness against the party against whom aggressive action was perpetrated, is now incurring substantial losses (relative to its size). I am beginning to see a trend in Amarrian capsuleers' thought and behavior. I wonder if it extends to the non-Capsuleer leadership of the Empire? Most curious.
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.04.20 19:43:00 -
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It's really a shame that two of the more reasonable pilots whom I've encountered on the 'Net lately couldn't work out their differences. The larger tragedy is that the one who was responsible for this mess, Mehatek, is probably sitting in the safety of a station counting her ill-gotten isk.
As I was unable to attend the tour of Mehatek's facilities due to corporate responsibilities this weekend, can anyone who visited report on the conditions? Did an SPCS representative visit and if so, when will their findings be made public? |
Deshat Mehatek
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.21 14:45:00 -
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No SPCS representative announced themself at the agreed upon time. It is possible that I was observed covertly during this time.
It particularly saddens me that Lord Murkon himself was unable to arrive, as I know myself and others were hoping to meet him.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari Hashimoto Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.21 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
Lyris Nairn
Your wasting your time. The odds a war will break out is horribly small, and if it does whoever walks away with 'victory' remains to be seen. Question though; don't you find anything morally lacking about betting about who might kill who in a war that may or may not break out?
I'd stick to gambling over Splintzer matchers or whatever they were called.
Oh, the irony in hindsight.
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Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:21:00 -
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It's over. As a somewhat publicly known incident, I'll provide a detail over the events.
All fighting took place on the 19th of April in Ohide.
Four separate engagements saw me lose 4 Punishers and two capsules fighting Norrin Ellis' FN Comet.
Lady Mehatek informed me of this ship's existence before the war, and I prepared accordingly. While a perfect chance to learn combat first-hand and useful tactics, I dreaded an engagement. I've had extensive training in Punishers among others, I know its power and limitations first-hand. In a 1vs1 engagement, the style this war would be, the Punisher was woefully out-classed.
Despite of this I had to make ready. I would allow no further aggressive involvements with MHASS, and as such when Ellis decided re-igniting hostilities would be a good idea, I declared war.
I had prepared a host of ships. While only 4 saw action all were fitted differently, attempting different tactics against the enemy.
Ellis held all the advantages. My ships could not equip stasis webifiers, warp disruptors and Afterburners at the same time, he could. My scrambler/web combination was inferior as Norris also possessed an Afterburner and a ship naturally more agile. If I replaced either web or scrambler with an afterburner he would either still be to fast, or able to flee the engagement if needed.
Once inside blaster-range I had few options; Hope to destroy his ship with superior firepower or reinforce the ship to hold out long enough to survive the constant Plasma-bolt barrage. Neither worked out in the end as Ellis could chose between either 3 assault drones or 3 ECM drones, thereby either overwhelming my defenses or negating my offensive power altogether.
After the 3rd Punisher loss I suffered a malfunction in my pod-navigation system - it refused to escape the area, as I instructed. Once I had updated my clone-contract and moved to pick up an Arbitrator class cruiser I moved bak to re-engage Ellis. Obviously he simply fled the area and refused to commit to an engagement.
At this point I could have simply waited him out. However I had no idea how long he would pursue his war with MHASS and I had limited time - as Holder I have responsibility planetside and simply could not afford to be around all the time. Nor could I afford to let him continue to harass MHASS in my absence.
I modified the equipment of a 4th Punisher and waited in plain sight for him to return, hoping to kill his Comet and discourage him to leave MHASS alone. This 4th engagement was the closest I got to achieving this but ultimately would end the same. Same as last, my capsule refused the order to enter warp. The second death finally hammered home the point to me, that I am now a clone.
I was basically in a state of shock. Despite this, I moved to acquire a new Destroyer, having lost my last one to Blood Raiders 136 days ago, and planned to get in between MHASS and Ellis yet again. Upon arriving Ellis had fled the area as he said he would in a conversation.
Nothing more happened that day, and I spent the following days working out my personal problems regarding the events that took place, as well as trying to get work done planetside. Much of my problem was helped on by Lord Shutaq and Lady Farel. I owe you two great thanks.
I tracked Ellis to Aunia yesterday, moved there, entered the system's only station, spent the evening in holo-conference with my closest associates planetside, from inside my Omen cruiser.
I swiftly came to realize that Ellis would only ever engage on his own fully superior terms, and at this rate, my objectives were met. Whatever experience can be gained from sacrificing my crew for a fight completely out of my favor is not worth the prize in lives. This fight stopped being needed once MHASS was left alone.
I have retracted the war for now, and returned to Ohide VI. I will be taken up with planetside affairs over the coming weekend.
- Kyriel
_________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House Kador and the Empire. |
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