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Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:51:00 -
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Well, I have progressed through every phase of play in Blink and have never found an inkling of a scam. Winnings are quickly posted, prizes you want to keep and I've kept and given away an untold amount are immediately available in Jita for the hisec items and the low sec items you choose to keep are made available in systems which are one jump from hi sec. If I chose to have the prize converted to Isk, it was deposited in my avatar's personal wallet with no delay. If one chooses to convert their prize to Blink credit, a 5% bonus is added to the already above market value of the prize. By rotating my blink credit to isk and then depositing the Isk, I won all the achievements and the billions of ISK that went along with them for depositing isk. There were times when I gave luck and probablilty a couple of chances to win a prize I needed to win a 500 million or one billion achievement and then cut my losses and bought all the tickets to overcome my bad luck with the surety of not having any competition.
Everybody can have opinions and beliefs, but nobody can have their own facts, If anyone can find any credible evidence of a scam - not just some loophole the Blink people have not yet found and plugged, but a scam that is actually happening and can prove it with incontrovertible facts, I will join your team and work to have CCP ban Blink. In fact, if you find a bug in their system, they have an award with a blink credit to your account for reporting it.
The truth is all I have ever respected, though I have often used subterfuge in my profession and I use out right deceit in this internet space ship game, I could not support any scam and especially one at such a high level of activity. My professional subterfuge was never for personal gain and was only for the furtherance of my country's foreign policies created by the elected officials of my country. I did not make them up or decide them and would have faced whatever awaited me for disobeying to do anything I had been ordered to do which I determined to be morally wrong. My outright deceit in an internet spaceship game began when I was invited to make up a name and choose a fictitous religion, college, even a gender choice, however I have never used what are known as scams in the game. Oh yeah, my other mains have killboard entries, but I only shoot at evenly matched targets or those more powerful. I could take no pride in defeating a much weaker target than a professional boxer could be called a champion by beating up drunks in an alley.
Now, have at it and parse my words out of context to suit your own arguments, or if you have no strenght in a point to debate, call me names. But never forget - bring me incontrovertible proof instead of bluster, hyperbole, mythical metaphors or channeled information from a past life.
I have not consulted with any Blink employees or other players about this post and they won't know it has even been considered until they read it. I am not an alt. |
Nonnosa
Grey Nomads
6
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:07:00 -
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I don't think Somer is a scam, just a very good business model. They shouldn't need to scam, 8 tickets costing 1/6 of the price of the ship, a 33% profit on every lottery. (I assume the odds on the bigger lotterys are the same). Like all gambming in the long wrong you will end up loosing. All the stories from the winners, blink giveaways, promos and achievements have one thing in common: they were paid for by loosers.
My alts record is at the wrong end of the bell curve with 1 win from 30 blinks played making me the proud owner of a 120 million isk Navy Slicer. I'm considering if to walk away or buy in more exspensive blinks to try break even as my turn to win should be coming up.
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Orzo Torasson
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
26
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:30:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Skimming through this thread, it seems like everyone wins and no one loses. So either none of the people losing their shirts are posting or a lot of people are lying. That, in itself, is fishy enough for me to not sign up. Mr Epeen
Just for reference, I love playing blink and I think it's very exciting, but I lose way more than I win. Last month alone I lost 1 billion (which admittedly, I won up to 3 billion before losing the lot because I got greedy. But c'est la vie, non?) |
Takumi Ayaka
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:53:00 -
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Quite easy to determine if this is a scam or not by letting said player "Replacement 234" post his API key and check his Assets to see if he is receiving all those Ships or not.
The Site owner surely wouldnt made all the effort in transferring all the Ships to "Replacement 234" Hangar.
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Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:58:00 -
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That wouldn't prove anything either, as they could be transferred before posting the API. Plus, even if it were legit, there's no way of knowing if he kept the stuff, or just always cycled it for blink credit.
It's a trust issue. The question being - do you think they'd risk something making them probably trillions to make a percentage more?
If the answer is yes, don't play. If the answer is no and you want to play, play.
The blog link just looks like butthurt gambler regret to me, and the logic on it is flawed in the extreme.
Do I blink? Nope. Not a gambler. Do I think they're legit? Probably. They'd have to be the stupidest people ever to not be, and nothing they've done looked stupid from my viewpoint. |
Croniac
RADIO RAMPAGE Cascade Imminent
29
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:59:00 -
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Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks!
Ever drive up to the Mirage Hotel in Vegas and think, wow, a really rich person must own this?
Did it ever occur to you that the money that built it came from the slot machines inside?
SomerBlink is the same exact thing - Only a complete drooling idiot would think that they aren't turning a tidy profit. Why else would they do it?
But, its not a scam - every time I've ever won something on there it has been in my hanger in Jita in less than 20 minutes, exactly as promised. |
Takumi Ayaka
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 05:24:00 -
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Point is that Eve /= Real World
Casino's in the Real World are regulated by Gaming Commisions, and as someone stated out earlier, without the regulation there can be done anything to the potential Customer.
Quote:It's a trust issue. The question being - do you think they'd risk something making them probably trillions to make a percentage more?
As the Site does not give out any Statistics, you have no Idea how many money the owner is doing at the end, since you do not see how many people transfer isk in the System, and it can very well be that its well under the number that the Owner is showing on top of his Page, as part of the deceipting nature of the suspect
Quote:That wouldn't prove anything either, as they could be transferred before posting the API. Plus, even if it were legit, there's no way of knowing if he kept the stuff, or just always cycled it for blink credit.
I'm almost 100% sure that the API key wether id be new or old will show all Transactions from the Assets with a date and volume.
I hold my Statement i gave above, a simple API Check will clear this issue |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.07.05 05:43:00 -
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That 3 parter was more obscene than any midget **** I have ever accidentally clicked on. |
Jonuts
The Arrow Project CORE.
243
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:38:00 -
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Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks!
Blink is legit. Enough of my corpmates are addicted that if it wasn't legit, I'd damn well have heard by now. It IS gambling, and it IS for profit. Over time, you're going to be a loser if you play, but at the same time, you can turn 5 million isk into 5 billion isk if you get REALLY lucky. The rules they follow are laid out, and I've not even heard of someone getting scammed by them. Selling their ship to get a quick blink fix? Yea. Getting scammed? Nope.
Hell, you can run the math yourself looking at the lotteries and see the huge profits they're making on each blink. They ARE raking in profit, no doubt. That's why they do it. |
Cpt Roghie
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
28
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Posted - 2012.07.05 08:00:00 -
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As most sane people here say, Yes it's legit (i've actually profitted on it) and it's addicting. Zzzzzzzz.
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Zeomebuch Nova
Metalworks
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Posted - 2012.07.05 08:02:00 -
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engaging damage control in 4...3...2...1... oh wait, it was already activated. |
Aegir Oceanus
Mordo's Legion
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:54:00 -
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Flirty Girl wrote:My story:
It is a scam. Bar none. Somer looks to fleece the big blinkers and not the little ones. Its the guys blinking the Dreads and Rorqs that are making Somer isk.
Every time I would be up and have isk in my bank, someone would show up and just clean me out. If I bought all but one ticket, the one ticket I didn't buy would win. Every time. And I am not the only one. Sometimes it would just be three people playing Ultra blinks, I would be on a convo with the other party, and no matter what we did or how we did it, the unknown 3rd party would win it. And not lose a blink they played. No one has luck that good. My losses would be streaks of over 15 losses, then I might win one. Then streaks of 15 losses again. Over and over. After awhile watching the losses mounting and it never once turning around, I walked away. About 60 billion isk lighter.
If I flip a coin, odds are 50/50. If I flip 5,000 coins or just one coin 5,000 times, the odds of winning will still be 50/50. And I should have won and lost close to 50% of the time. But that never happened. My wins amounted to roughly 25% on exclusively betting on half the tickets.
Yes, this is an alt.
Mate, everything you've said before you're flipping coin stuff is your own opinion, which i respect. But you should double check you math. The odds on you winning 50% of the time itself are 0.5^5000= 7.0798......x 10^-1506 , IF you bought 50% of the tickets every single time. I'd say winning 25% is pretty damn good.
As to my personal opinion on the blog, he makes some good points on the blog, and highlights out some points that to people that may not realize by themselves. But the tone in the entire blog makes him sound more like a whiny b***** than some one speaking out of concern for others, and to sell his point he does use similar marketing techniques that he points out Blink uses. |
Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 11:57:00 -
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You say Blink not money laundering mashine? You say Blink is Legit?
Then watch this:
Blink Laundering |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
26
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:16:00 -
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By my math that person risked 2.5b at a 15/16 chance of winning, and succeeded, getting 4.5b. If they failed, they'd have lost and the guy who spent 172.5m for a 1/16 chance would have gotten that 4.5b.
Would have sucked hard for them if that 1/16 person got it, but would have rocked hard for that person.
That's gambling.
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Dilligafmofo
Sandman Plc
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:21:00 -
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I have played blink for well in excess of a year. I know the playerbase and the team.
To the poster above with the screenshot. I have done similar after unlocking 1b isk credit in awards and again after winning one billion isk credit in a promo. I tried to purchase as many tickets as possible on a cap ship and vargur to maximise my isk return from the credits I was awarded.
I won a thanatos and lost the vargur, it is how the game goes. Like all gambling, you win and lose.
In over a year of blinking I am still up several billion is isk and assets. I have walked away when low on isk and stayed when on a lucky streak...... that is gambling.
I do not believe there is any cheating or rigging as has been seen by Somer Blinks' so called competitors.
Somer Blink is, and will remain the fairest and best gambling site in eve.
There are many good people in the chat channels and in Blinks Teamspeak server. The customer service is unsurpassed in Eve, CCP should take a leaf out of Somers' customer service book.
If you like to gamble spare isk, there is not better place to be.
For those calling sham can you please show me on this doll where your wallet used to be? Bad losers are the worst people in game. |
Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:22:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote:By my math that person risked 2.5b at a 15/16 chance of winning, and succeeded, getting 4.5b. If they failed, they'd have lost and the guy who spent 172.5m for a 1/16 chance would have gotten that 4.5b.
Would have sucked hard for them if that 1/16 person got it, but would have rocked hard for that person.
That's gambling.
Dont be saw infantile ))
Or you are the one from Somers team alts, that dont see the reality?
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Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:25:00 -
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I don't even play Blink, I'm just applying math to the screenshot you posted. |
Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:29:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote:I don't even play Blink, I'm just applying math to the screenshot you posted.
Then you must calculate- that Bonus blink not visible until all tickets are purcashed.
And at 250 T celebration bonus blink was something 1 bonus blink per 50.
Saw calculate one more time ))
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Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
105
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:29:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote:I don't even play Blink, I'm just applying math to the screenshot you posted.
That particular Blink appears to have happened during our 250T celebration this week - which is why it has the 2x bonus payout. :) The bonus double payout isn't a guaranteed thing, it only has a chance to happen when the Blink closes, which is why there's ~tinfoil~ in the screenshot post. The person gambling took a chance of lowering their overall credit balance on the site for a nearly-sure bet.
Dilli's explination above is the most common for this kind of thing - they have credit in their account and want to cash it out in a near sure bet.
Edit to add:
Or they could have been intending to cycle it for the 5% bonus credit, making it a wash expense (if they win) but an increase in promo tokens and 17 tickets to the 250B Blast giveaway. Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:43:00 -
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Or RMT Laundering. A think CCP must check character on screen shot and his transactions saw we all would know if I am right or not
If not ,then somer blink is hell legit |
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Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
105
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:47:00 -
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It'd be a horribly transparent way for someone to try and fool the GM's. Money comes from character A, money goes back to character A. I sincerely hope CCP isn't confused in that process where the money was before it was sent away from A :p
But by all means, please, if you suspect them, or us, of any type of RMT - petition for an investigation of them, us, or both. :)
Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:51:00 -
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Andrev Nox wrote:It'd be a horribly transparent way for someone to try and fool the GM's. Money comes from character A, money goes back to character A. I sincerely hope CCP isn't confused in that process where the money was before it was sent away from A :p
But by all means, please, if you suspect them, or us, of any type of RMT - petition for an investigation of them, us, or both. :)
You forgot to mention from WHERE that character get money first time, before he deposited it to blink
I dont need to petition I will keep an eye on Blink to get more proofs )))
Fly safe
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Danfen Fenix
133
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:54:00 -
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Danjae wrote:Andrev Nox wrote:It'd be a horribly transparent way for someone to try and fool the GM's. Money comes from character A, money goes back to character A. I sincerely hope CCP isn't confused in that process where the money was before it was sent away from A :p
But by all means, please, if you suspect them, or us, of any type of RMT - petition for an investigation of them, us, or both. :)
You forgot to mention from WHERE that character get money first time, before he deposited it to blink I dont need to petition I will keep an eye on Blink to get more proofs ))) Fly safe
10 mil says he'll be keeping his eye for a long time...
Edit: Or wait...could I be scamming... |
Cyndre Valryssian
Aces -N- Eights Excuses.
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Posted - 2012.07.05 13:57:00 -
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I can confirm I'm a happy blinker here and hardly seems a scam to me. So far won a Rattlesnake, Oracle and Manty so profit wise I'm about 500mil up on what I used. The danger is like in all gambling, it's pretty hard to stop with the old Just one more blink mindset :P |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:40:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote:By my math that person risked 2.5b at a 15/16 chance of winning, and succeeded, getting 4.5b. If they failed, they'd have lost and the guy who spent 172.5m for a 1/16 chance would have gotten that 4.5b.
Would have sucked hard for them if that 1/16 person got it, but would have rocked hard for that person.
That's gambling.
There's something wrong with that pic, its not the same ratio as before... |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
172
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:44:00 -
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These kind of things have been around for years. They're not legit, and they're not scams. The vast amount in income rolling in heavily outweighs the cost of things going out, and this is how the thing is structured. Ponzi or pyramid, you decide. Personally, I don't take part in these things; got better things to do with my time and money (real and internet space dollars). |
Panacani
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:48:00 -
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Yes it is a scam.
Sooner or later there is going to be another game news article about some well known and respected gambling establishment in eve making off with thousands of plex worth of peoples isk, and everyone will be shocked and dismayed, and eve will get more free marketing.
With the history of long-running trusted activities that eventually turned scam, I'm really surprised people still use these things. Of course it is gambling I suppose, and gambling personalities tend to take that risk anyway. |
ROXGenghis
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.07.05 16:47:00 -
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What can I say that hasn't already been said in this tread? A couple of things:
The arguments on the anti-Somer site are absolutely terrible. They demonstrate a huge amount of either ignorance or willful misinformation.
Like any lottery, Somer Blink is just a tax on the willing or the stupid.
Here's the coolest thing to me:
Somer uses some of the site's huge profits to sponsor cool Eve community things, like the Bringing Solo Back podcast or RVB in ATX. What Somer is doing is contributing to the sandbox: helping to create player-driven content. Both with the blink website and with the sponsorships. This is the single most valuable thing anyone can do in Eve: without player-driven content, Eve dies.
And even if Somer eventually ends the blink lotteries without returning everyone's deposits (the former will most likely happen, and the latter is anyone's guess), even THAT will be another, final contribution to the Eve sandbox. |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
174
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:00:00 -
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Panacani wrote:Yes it is a scam.
Sooner or later there is going to be another game news article about some well known and respected gambling establishment in eve making off with thousands of plex worth of peoples isk, and everyonenobody will be shocked and dismayed, and eve will get more free marketing.
Fixed it for you. No need to thank me. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
257
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:25:00 -
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Played 60 promo blinks, won nothing Watched one guy win 2 of them within 60 seconds of each other.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
In other news, this thread really has boosted the number of people blinking, have a look on their statistics page at the last weeks activity There should be a rather awesome pic here |
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