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masternerdguy
Gallente Caldari Naval Reserve
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:22:00 -
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To make a simple interplannetary or local (around earth orbit for example) battleship is well within our current capabilities. We have viable weapon systems such as
1. Missiles 2. Artillary
We also have viable technologies for propulsion over short (chemical and nuclear rockets) and long (ion engine/plasma engine) trips.
We have reactive and reflective armor to defend against impacts and lasers.
We have the ability to construct objects in space. We also have a fleet of ships on the ground (the cancelled shuttle) that can refuel and resupply them.
We also have long-term power options such as solar panels, fission reactors, etc.
We have emerging technologies such as carbon nanotubes that could make the structures not only stronger but lighter and therefore less expensive to make.
Only two problems....
1. Cost 2. Nobody cares about this for some reason...
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:25:00 -
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we don't have the engines
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:26:00 -
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I'll give you 20k if you stop posting.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:27:00 -
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Ok you poasting rights are being revoked now.
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Leaving Eve
Boo Hoo Federation
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:28:00 -
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Someone take the new thread button away from this guy.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:29:00 -
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The UK already has one. It is currently on a 5 year mission to explore strange new places. To meet new life and offer fantastic oppertunities for small scale maufacturing at a Grimsby industial estate.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Swiftgaze I'll give you 20k if you stop posting.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:35:00 -
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I'd say we continue with my interpretation of "Mother and child reunion" by Paul Simon.
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CCP Adida
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:37:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Trustworthy Joe
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida Locked. Spam OP.
Fixed it for you.
want a sig? thats great! post it in response to my posts!
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Slade Hoo
Amarr Corpse Collection Point
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:46:00 -
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In Stargate: Atlantis they already have spaceships. And the scenario is situated in present time. So we don't really have to wait that long. ------ Make Lowsec useful! Vote in the CSM-Forum! |
Creepy Goat
Schindlers Ignore List
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Hoo In Stargate: Atlantis they already have spaceships. And the scenario is situated in present time. So we don't really have to wait that long.
SG1 ftw! Hated Atlantis
Also, Dragonfly fighters look like F-302s <3 Signature removed for editing moderator warning. Zymurgist |
Slade Hoo
Amarr Corpse Collection Point
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Posted - 2010.03.16 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Creepy Goat
SG1 ftw! Hated Atlantis
SG:Atlantis has Jewel Staite aka Dr. Jennifer Keller aka Kaylee from Firefly. SG:SG1 only has Amanda Tapping who looks like my mom ------ Make Lowsec useful! Vote in the CSM-Forum! |
Kara Sharalien
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Posted - 2010.03.16 23:09:00 -
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Key problem: Shielding.
There is one hell of a lot of radiation in space. You have to be ready for a solar flare pointed in your direction.
I know of only three methods for interplanetary shielding, none without horrible drawbacks.
1. Magnetic. Create a huge magnetic field to deflect high energy particles/radiation
Problem: sticking your head in a field that large does horrible things to your health.
2. Electrical. Create a huge electrical field on the hull to divert charged particles.
Problem: not all dangerous particles are charged.
3. Physical. Surround the ship with heavy water.
Problem: lots is needed, and you need equal cover all over. Which means a very massive spherical ship, plus you need some way of hefting hundreds of tonnes of water into orbit without it freezing.
Secondary problem: life support.
We know a lot about biospheres, but not enough that we are ready to throw one out into space without any support. The only artificial biosphere I know of is on earth, specifically because if it all goes to **** they want to be able to get people out.
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat WHY YOU VIOLENCE MY BOAT?!
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Creepy Goat
Schindlers Ignore List
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Posted - 2010.03.16 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Creepy Goat on 16/03/2010 23:20:41
Originally by: Slade Hoo
Originally by: Creepy Goat
SG1 ftw! Hated Atlantis
SG:Atlantis has Jewel Staite aka Dr. Jennifer Keller aka Kaylee from Firefly. SG:SG1 only has Amanda Tapping who looks like my mom
True, Keller is HAWT. But would still tap tapping , also Claudia Black isn't too bad but she's only in the later episodes.
EDIT: back on topic, it is possible to create a spacefaring battleship capable of orbitting the planet, and reigning firey death down onto those below, oh and popping the odd shuttle and satelite. However it would require ridiculously huge amounts of money, time and manpower for something that would be terribly cost-ineffective and pretty much useless.
It would be a kick-ass peen for the country whos flag it flew though Signature removed for editing moderator warning. Zymurgist |
Tameris Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.16 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: Tameris Khan on 16/03/2010 23:25:59
Originally by: Slade Hoo SG:Atlantis has Jewel Staite aka Dr. Jennifer Keller aka Kaylee from Firefly. SG:SG1 only has Amanda Tapping who looks like my mom
Originally by: Slade Hoo Amanda Tapping who looks like my mom
WTB milf fone number!
Edit: if OP ship toasts again wardec incoming
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Lt Forge
Pilots From Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.16 23:37:00 -
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Guys, it's the money that prevents us from reaching the stars.
So I'd recommend to go the Star Trek way: Ban all currencies!
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2010.03.16 23:42:00 -
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Well, there is one real-life example to armed spaceflight I am avare of: the Soviet Almaz - Mil Soyuz programme.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.17 00:18:00 -
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We will have space battleships when you (MNG) permanently delete all of your EVE accounts and never come back. The governments of the world are waiting on you, so do your patriotic duty and delete yourself for the glory of the space navy! -----------
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Lashnar
Caldari New Eden Recon Force Beyond-Control
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Posted - 2010.03.17 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Lashnar on 17/03/2010 00:59:01 Problem 1: Life support?
Problem 2: Shielding, this has already been stated.
Problem 3: Since when did we have Ion and Plasma engines... no 360 for you.
Problem 4: All the world leaders seem to think: "Hey! Why wisely try to colonize other planets when we have one right here, already taken, and dieing, AND being fought over!"
C'mon! We have a friggin' GALAXY!
I blame the leaders. They want war, not peace. Too them, it's a giant version of RISK.
Edit: And don't tell me Earth is the only habitable planet in the galaxy, A; there's terraforming, B; I believe that is utter bullcrap. Maybe even propaganda... (:D) Welcome to EVE. |
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WarlockX
Amarr Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.17 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lashnar Edited by: Lashnar on 17/03/2010 00:59:01 Problem 1: Life support?
Problem 2: Shielding, this has already been stated.
Problem 3: Since when did we have Ion and Plasma engines... no 360 for you.
Problem 4: All the world leaders seem to think: "Hey! Why wisely try to colonize other planets when we have one right here, already taken, and dieing, AND being fought over!"
C'mon! We have a friggin' GALAXY!
I blame the leaders. They want war, not peace. Too them, it's a giant version of RISK.
Edit: And don't tell me Earth is the only habitable planet in the galaxy, A; there's terraforming, B; I believe that is utter bullcrap. Maybe even propaganda... (:D)
Uhh. It's not the only habitable planet but who wants to sign up to a 300+ yr trip stuck on a spaceship that you won't even be able to see the end of. Maybe if you can get a crew of totally selfless ppl who want their grand kids to have a better life but noone from earth will ever know what happens to them. ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Swarm of Angry Bees
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Posted - 2010.03.17 01:28:00 -
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What about lead shielding?
also someone said something to the effect of 'lol plasma drives? ******' so I is gonna link This. > WHILE SIG<AWESOME DO LOOP there is no escape from my crappy sig. |
Lashnar
Caldari New Eden Recon Force Beyond-Control
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Posted - 2010.03.17 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: WarlockX
Originally by: Lashnar Edited by: Lashnar on 17/03/2010 00:59:01 Problem 1: Life support?
Problem 2: Shielding, this has already been stated.
Problem 3: Since when did we have Ion and Plasma engines... no 360 for you.
Problem 4: All the world leaders seem to think: "Hey! Why wisely try to colonize other planets when we have one right here, already taken, and dieing, AND being fought over!"
C'mon! We have a friggin' GALAXY!
I blame the leaders. They want war, not peace. Too them, it's a giant version of RISK.
Edit: And don't tell me Earth is the only habitable planet in the galaxy, A; there's terraforming, B; I believe that is utter bullcrap. Maybe even propaganda... (:D)
Uhh. It's not the only habitable planet but who wants to sign up to a 300+ yr trip stuck on a spaceship that you won't even be able to see the end of. Maybe if you can get a crew of totally selfless ppl who want their grand kids to have a better life but noone from earth will ever know what happens to them.
Well, I'd sign up just to go... I mean, c'mon, space! Don't tell me you don't want to go there. Welcome to EVE. |
Magnus Nordir
Caldari Nordir Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.17 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 17/03/2010 02:10:44
Originally by: Lashnar Well, I'd sign up just to go... I mean, c'mon, space! Don't tell me you don't want to go there.
A trip to the nearest star, Proxima Centauri, would take 40 years at 0.1 times the speed of light. Anything that uses chemical/nuclear/ion propulsion is more likely to travel around ten times slower than that, so 1% the speed of light - 400 years to our nearest star. In other words, you'd be condemning 10 generations of people to confinement in a claustrophobic environment, on the off chance they find a colonisable environment there. If you ask me, that amounts to a crime against humanity. Remember this would be a generation ship, so you would first need it to have above 500 crew to prevent inbreeding. It can't just be navy/air force types either, you'll need someone to educate the future generations, which means dragging civilians along - otherwise the crew that arrives at Proxima Centauri would be uneducated and wouldn't even know where they came from, what their starship is or what they're supposed to do. The second problem is the mass and volume ratio - basically, to propel a spaceship at 0.01 times the speed of light, it would take the volume of the Empire State building to propel a human habitat the size of a coffin. Reduce that by an order of magnitude for nuclear propulsion. Less, but still huge. Then there's the issue of interstellar matter - remember, at 0.01c, even dust particles a few miligrams in size have the kinetic energy of detonating a kilogram of TNT.
"current manned spaceflight technology" has progressed little to zero in the last 30 years. We still don't know how to shield ourselves from radiation, much less micrometeorites at relativistic velocities. We still can't maintain a closed-loop life support system for longer than a few months. We don't have a way to meaningfully negate the effects of microgravity on the human body. Development of space habitation technologies and space industry is still restricted by idiotic treaties from the cold war. The general public is still ignorant about space exploration in general. --------------------------- Only those who surrender are lost |
masternerdguy
Gallente Caldari Naval Reserve
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Posted - 2010.03.17 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 17/03/2010 02:10:44
Originally by: Lashnar Well, I'd sign up just to go... I mean, c'mon, space! Don't tell me you don't want to go there.
A trip to the nearest star, Proxima Centauri, would take 40 years at 0.1 times the speed of light. Anything that uses chemical/nuclear/ion propulsion is more likely to travel around ten times slower than that, so 1% the speed of light - 400 years to our nearest star. In other words, you'd be condemning 10 generations of people to confinement in a claustrophobic environment, on the off chance they find a colonisable environment there. If you ask me, that amounts to a crime against humanity. Remember this would be a generation ship, so you would first need it to have above 500 crew to prevent inbreeding. It can't just be navy/air force types either, you'll need someone to educate the future generations, which means dragging civilians along - otherwise the crew that arrives at Proxima Centauri would be uneducated and wouldn't even know where they came from, what their starship is or what they're supposed to do. The second problem is the mass and volume ratio - basically, to propel a spaceship at 0.01 times the speed of light, it would take the volume of the Empire State building to propel a human habitat the size of a coffin. Reduce that by an order of magnitude for nuclear propulsion. Less, but still huge. Then there's the issue of interstellar matter - remember, at 0.01c, even dust particles a few miligrams in size have the kinetic energy of detonating a kilogram of TNT.
"current manned spaceflight technology" has progressed little to zero in the last 30 years. We still don't know how to shield ourselves from radiation, much less micrometeorites at relativistic velocities. We still can't maintain a closed-loop life support system for longer than a few months. We don't have a way to meaningfully negate the effects of microgravity on the human body. Development of space habitation technologies and space industry is still restricted by idiotic treaties from the cold war. The general public is still ignorant about space exploration in general.
the topic was orbital, local, or interplanetary space flight.
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Zyck
Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.17 02:24:00 -
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Edited by: Zyck on 17/03/2010 02:28:34 We need a rule that people who want to theoretically engineer large warships for space have to actually be engineers.
We do not have the engines for this. Fuel is one of the biggest issues with space flight right now and the acceleration that would be needed for speed and evasive maneuvers would very quickly destroy a ships fuel stocks. We do not have the shielding or armor capability. We do not have the capability to make anything with carbon nanotubes that isn't extremely tiny. And if we could, they are NOT cheap. We also do NOT have computer or mechanical systems that are anything even near reliable enough to get humans to mars, let alone put on a warship for permanent space habitation. We do not have life support systems that are efficient enough to have a completely closed circuit in terms of oxygen and water. It would cost an absolute **** ton to construct any large spacecraft in space, and would be near impossible to do it on the ground. Without something like an orbital elevator this is a dream even with the rest of the problems worked out.
Edit: Artillery is also pretty much useless in space, as are missiles. You'd need to completely redesign missiles. All modern day missiles fly like planes- they use the atmosphere to steer. In space not only would they have to be much more massive to be able to actually hold enough fuel to turn to keep on target, but you would basically need a direct hit. A missile that blows up in space is nothing more than a bunch of gas molecules that will do little if any damage to another object unless it's VERY close.
Artillery itself would only be useful over very small distances. At the speeds of space travel even the slightest change of course would render your artillery shells many kilometers off target.
That and all the other stuff that's been posted already.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.03.17 02:34:00 -
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Lets bomb mars from orbit. Just in case.
Also we really need space battle ships, because... uh...
(I was seriously hoping and assumeing that you would stick to one area of the forums posting your inane FW bull****. Why did you have to branch out?) -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Cikulisuy
Amarr The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.17 03:06:00 -
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we don't have anything to shoot at, spending billions and billions of dollars on a space warship for what -_- nub> you cant mine so you kill. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.03.17 03:07:00 -
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Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 17/03/2010 03:07:23 we will get spaceships the same time we get a ton of other meaningful advancements to society
the moment we stop feeding and capitalizing off of each other in useless rat races and start working together towards meaningful goals and advancements
basically when we are no longer the species we are currently. I wouldn't hold your breath.
My money is on a depressing ending on a stripped planet, crying at the futility of our own will to survive in a completely unsustainable manner
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Culmen
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.17 04:30:00 -
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We will get space battleships the moment we get significant stuff outside of earth orbit. Like lunar colonies mining helium-3 or something like that.
Simply put why bother sending up 1) Control systems 2) Life support 3) Weapons etc
When you can just fire an ASAT missile from the ground.
PS: if you stretch the definition enough... we already have Salyut 3 had a 23 mm cannon, and shot it at a test satellite. Those ruskies are crazy. and further more why do i even need a sig? |
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