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Raj Man
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Posted - 2010.03.18 13:02:00 -
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I am going to build myself a new computer, and I'm hoping to build one that does not suffer from the FPS drop or stuttering that my current hunk of junk suffers from, so I was wondering;
What is the most important attribute of your computer to run eve? Is it the processor speed? RAM? Gfx card? What are the ideal specs for an eve machine? What sort of bandwidth does the eve client take up? What is a reasonable set up? What do you need to be able to fraps (or even just take part, I've been frozen in large fleet engagements for long durations) those giant fleet battles without lag?
Any help greatly appreciated.
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Jim Pooley
The Bobtheminer Appreciation Society
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Posted - 2010.03.18 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Pooley on 18/03/2010 13:29:38 Edited by: Jim Pooley on 18/03/2010 13:29:01
I built mine a couple of months back for the same purpose.
CPU, intel E5200 dual core
gfx card, Geforce gts-250 (512mb)
4gb ddr2 corsair ram
motherboard, a micro atx that isnt terrific and will be the first thing to upgrade next time around as it only has 2 sata sockets lol
and of course the little trinkets you need that are not too relevant, though I did buy a Corsair 650w psu and it is fantastic.
Now, the geeks amongst you will probably say this spec isnt great, and of course youd be right that it is possible to upgrade this, but this cost me sub ú200 to make and runs multiple clients no worries. I even overclocked the cpu, and ran 5 clients to test and it was fine! ------------------------------------------
Mines a Pint of Large
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Connner
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.18 13:29:00 -
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EVE actually isn't all that demanding on a computer. A decent dual core proc, mid range PCIE graphics card and a broadband connection is really all you need to run EVE. Fleet lag isn't caused by your computer setup, from what I understand its mostly server side issues.
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Omg Corn
Gallente Zorp Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.18 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Pooley Geforce gts-250 (512mb)
I've always been an nvidia guy, but the recent generation of ati cards blow nvidia cards out of the water. Ati cards at the same price point as nvidia cards outperform them in all benchmarks that I've seen. You can get an hd 4xxx or 5xxx(depending on how much you want to spend) and not be disappointed. However...
Originally by: Connner EVE actually isn't all that demanding on a computer. A decent dual core proc, mid range PCIE graphics card and a broadband connection is really all you need to run EVE. Fleet lag isn't caused by your computer setup, from what I understand its mostly server side issues.
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Taipan Leviathan
Shadows Of The Requiem Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.18 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Taipan Leviathan on 18/03/2010 18:21:52 Edited by: Taipan Leviathan on 18/03/2010 18:21:34 This will run every game out now maxed out and will keep on running well into the future.
CPU:Intel i5 proc (do not buy an I7 it is not faster then an I5 (save for hyper threading) GPU: Any ATI HD4*** or 5*** i reccomend: HD 4870 or a 5770 if you have the money RAM:6gb of tripple channel ddr3 ram (does not have to be a good brand) MOBO:Atx mobo with Crossfire and tripple channel support support just in case you ever want to upgrade. PSU:650W Corsair. CASE: 800D
Seagate: 320GB hdd Seagate: 1TB HDD No ssd's yet.
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Max Hardcase
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.03.18 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Taipan Leviathan Edited by: Taipan Leviathan on 18/03/2010 18:21:52 Edited by: Taipan Leviathan on 18/03/2010 18:21:34 This will run every game out now maxed out and will keep on running well into the future.
CPU:Intel i5 proc (do not buy an I7 it is not faster then an I5 (save for hyper threading) GPU: Any ATI HD4*** or 5*** i reccomend: HD 4870 or a 5770 if you have the money RAM:6gb of tripple channel ddr3 ram (does not have to be a good brand) MOBO:Atx mobo with Crossfire and tripple channel support support just in case you ever want to upgrade. PSU:650W Corsair. CASE: 800D
Seagate: 320GB hdd Seagate: 1TB HDD No ssd's yet.
You do realise the Core i5 only has dual channel memory access ?
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Taipan Leviathan
Shadows Of The Requiem Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.18 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Max Hardcase
You do realise the Core i5 only has dual channel memory access ?
Aii yes thats true.
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Raj Man
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Posted - 2010.03.21 12:32:00 -
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Thanks for all the advice.
I've ordered my new machine and apart from the wallet-ache I'm looking forward to receiving it. Here's the specs;
Processor (CPU) Intel« CoreÖ2 Duo E7600 (3.06GHz) 1066Hz FSB/3MB L2 Cache Memory (RAM) 4GB CORSAIR XMS2 DUAL-DDR2 800MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY Motherboard ASUS« P5QPL-AM: MICRO ATX VALUE BOARD & INTEGRATED GRAPHICS Operating System Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence (ú79) USB Options 6 x USB 2.0 PORTS (4 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD Memory - 1st Hard Disk 500GB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7,200rpm) 1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive 22x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ¦R/¦RW/RAM Graphics Card 1GB ATI RADEONÖ HD 5670 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX« 11 Sound Card ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD) Network Facilities ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT Memory Card Reader INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER (READS XD, MS, CF, SD, etc) Case STYLISH PIANO BLACK FUSION CASE + 2 FRONT USB Power Supply & Case Cooling 450W Quiet Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (ú25) Processor Cooling INTEL SOCKET LGA775 STANDARD CPU COOLER Anti-Virus MICROSOFT SECURITY ESSENTIALS - Free Basic Protection
Hopefully I should be able to multi-box this without it dropping it's bait in it's pants. What you guys think?
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Droning Ceo
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Posted - 2010.03.21 14:10:00 -
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I think the PSU is often overlooked and is worth spending a bit more on, and that i wouldnt want an ATI card because it takes them about 3-4 mins to load a bad company 2 map, whereas an old 8800 will load it in 30 seconds or less.
other than that? meh cool story bro!
enjoy your eve
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Nishi Klant
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Posted - 2010.03.21 14:17:00 -
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Not a bad set-up. I would have gone quad-core, but that is just me.<P>
The ATI eye-finity looks interesting from either a spanned game, never can have too much UI realestate, or being able to run your one man squad on three monitors, along with VOIP, a half dozen websites, and a Netflix movie (there is where the quad core comes in).
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2010.03.21 14:26:00 -
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Im kind of angry at intel. It seems like the cost effective option is STILL going with an old phenom 2. the price of i7s is the same now as it always was. meh
I built my current computer for $1k a couple years ago.
I tried designing a new $1k computer recently, and its only a tiny improvement over my old one! Namely the gpu gets a slight upgrade. The processor gets more of a sidegrade which shaves just a tad of cost off to get a slightly better gpu.
But honestly, there would be no real difference between that computer and my current one in 90% of the situations >< - now when i built this i was very careful and picked only the best options and balanced its cost effectiveness ratios on a razor. But still, i really should be able to improve it these days. Not that i need to really since i can still max everything out i want to.. but...
What is happening to technology ><
Of course if i had ~$1.6k i could get something very nice with an i7 860 (8 channels! *squeals*) and an hd 5870. But still, it seems like things are stagnant.
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Niclas Solo
Amarr GANKsTers's inc. R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2010.03.21 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Droning Ceo I think the PSU is often overlooked and is worth spending a bit more on, and that i wouldnt want an ATI card because it takes them about 3-4 mins to load a bad company 2 map, whereas an old 8800 will load it in 30 seconds or less.
other than that? meh cool story bro!
enjoy your eve
I agree on the PSU ppl go cheap on them and think they made a good deal saving Ç30, same with monitors ppl spend hundreds of ÇÇÇ on videocards but still they get a crappy TN panel monitor. But Wtf does the videocard have to do with your loading time? For loading a map you use HDD and ram mainly and ofc your cpu but your hdd will be your speed limit.
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.03.21 14:35:00 -
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Hmm, lets see what I play on:
Intel E8400 2 x 2GB DDR2 ATI 4870x2 Intel 80GB SSD Asus P5Q motherboard
Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W PSU (leftover from a previous Tri-SLI setup with 3x8800GTX)
And that's it.
4 clients are running fine windowed at 1920x1200 across two 30" Dell screens.
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FTLENGAGE
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Posted - 2010.03.21 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Taipan Leviathan Edited by: Taipan Leviathan on 18/03/2010 22:08:30 Edited by: Taipan Leviathan on 18/03/2010 22:08:13
Originally by: Max Hardcase
You do realise the Core i5 only has dual channel memory access ?
Aii yes thats true.
Fixed and thanks.
Triple channel is about 15% faster then dual channel according to Sisandra benchmarks. But you wont notice it until you are really pushing the limit on it. http://www.ninjalane.com/articles/general_information/dualvtriple/page5.aspx
triple channel over dual is around 2fps in games.
some sites did benchmarks of an i7 in dual channel and again after with triple channel.
in the real world benchmarks the difference is barely anything only synthetic benchmarks make triple channel look good.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.21 15:03:00 -
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Intel no cost effective processors? Maybe you should look better, there is more than the high end procs, i dont check in every price range, but last time someone said that he forgot about the existence of the i5 750, which has good performance for reasonable price.
Talking about that, the i7 920 does have superior performance to the i5 750, but the i5 is more than fast enough for eve, and quite a bit cheaper.
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2010.03.21 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Intel no cost effective processors? Maybe you should look better, there is more than the high end procs, i dont check in every price range, but last time someone said that he forgot about the existence of the i5 750, which has good performance for reasonable price.
Talking about that, the i7 920 does have superior performance to the i5 750, but the i5 is more than fast enough for eve, and quite a bit cheaper.
I really dont see a reason to move from the high end core 2s or phenom 2s to the i5s.
The issue i think is that AMD does not have a competitor out to drive the prices down. That resulted in cheap processors relative to their worth last.. 'generation', and overpriced ones this one.
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Niclas Solo
Amarr GANKsTers's inc. R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2010.03.21 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Intel no cost effective processors? Maybe you should look better, there is more than the high end procs, i dont check in every price range, but last time someone said that he forgot about the existence of the i5 750, which has good performance for reasonable price.
Talking about that, the i7 920 does have superior performance to the i5 750, but the i5 is more than fast enough for eve, and quite a bit cheaper.
I7 920 or 930 now is not superior in performance, i5 is faster in many games. If your going to use your computer for gaming there is no reason to get the i7.
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FTLENGAGE
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Posted - 2010.03.21 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Droning Ceo I think the PSU is often overlooked and is worth spending a bit more on, and that i wouldnt want an ATI card because it takes them about 3-4 mins to load a bad company 2 map, whereas an old 8800 will load it in 30 seconds or less.
other than that? meh cool story bro!
enjoy your eve
ahahahahahah since did the the GPU start loading data the cpu does it and the speed of your hardrive/memory effect how quickly the data can be made available to the cpu.
GPU does not effect loading times
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Sir Rush
Caldari Sirrush Holdings And Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.21 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: FTLENGAGE
Originally by: Droning Ceo I think the PSU is often overlooked and is worth spending a bit more on, and that i wouldnt want an ATI card because it takes them about 3-4 mins to load a bad company 2 map, whereas an old 8800 will load it in 30 seconds or less.
other than that? meh cool story bro!
enjoy your eve
ahahahahahah since did the the GPU start loading data the cpu does it and the speed of your hardrive/memory effect how quickly the data can be made available to the cpu.
GPU does not effect loading times
GPGPU
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FTLENGAGE
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Posted - 2010.03.21 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Rush
Originally by: FTLENGAGE
Originally by: Droning Ceo I think the PSU is often overlooked and is worth spending a bit more on, and that i wouldnt want an ATI card because it takes them about 3-4 mins to load a bad company 2 map, whereas an old 8800 will load it in 30 seconds or less.
other than that? meh cool story bro!
enjoy your eve
ahahahahahah since did the the GPU start loading data the cpu does it and the speed of your hardrive/memory effect how quickly the data can be made available to the cpu.
GPU does not effect loading times
GPGPU
and? doesnt change the facrt GPU does not load a game nor do the shaders load a games data.
the only thing slowing BCBC2 loading times down on a new ati card is the fact that dx11 has much more complex shaders that need loading dice even said so on a forum post.
if an 8800gt could do dx11 it would slow the loading times down just as much.
ati users can drop down to an earlier dx mode if they dont want the fancy shaders and load just as quick
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.03.21 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: FTLENGAGE GPU does not effect loading times
Certification needed. My own personal experience going from an ati 1950xt to the gf 9800gtx was that damn near every graphically intensive 3d game loaded waaaaaaaay quicker.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2010.03.21 19:24:00 -
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speed of the cards video memory effects loading time i would imagine
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Niclas Solo
Amarr GANKsTers's inc. R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2010.03.21 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: FTLENGAGE GPU does not effect loading times
Certification needed. My own personal experience going from an ati 1950xt to the gf 9800gtx was that damn near every graphically intensive 3d game loaded waaaaaaaay quicker.
Maybe you reinstalled windows at the same time? that would speed thins up, even alot if it was along time since last reinstall. When you load a game you will load it from your hdd, and if your unlucky even from your dvd drive that are the two slowest things in a computer. Your video card would have nothing to do with the load time. It's when your in the game you would have notice you 98 gtx is much faster. for cutting down load time you should raid 0 your hdd, or better get raptor drives, even better raid 0 raptor drives but nothing can compete to SSD. but there is just no way in hell a 9800 gtx or 8800 gtx would make your computer load any game or anything else faster then any ATI/AMD card. it's just placebo if anything, you love your new card and think everything is so much better but really it have zero effect on load time.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.03.21 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Niclas Solo Maybe you...
Nope. All I did was yoink the old card out and run the ati driver cleaner then popped in the new card and installed the drivers. Maybe though I was a little unclear about what was speeded up. Intitial load times (ie double clicking the desktop icon) were unchanged but once in the game things that would take ages like loading up a sup com map literally popped up on the screen to the point that it outran the core optimizer proggy that had a 15 second initialization as the map loads. Same effect for cod4 and other such games so obviously something changed for the better.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.03.22 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ascendic on 22/03/2010 01:51:06
Originally by: Taipan Leviathan Edited by: Taipan Leviathan on 18/03/2010 22:06:05 Edited by: Taipan Leviathan on 18/03/2010 18:21:52 Edited by: Taipan Leviathan on 18/03/2010 18:21:34 This will run every game out now maxed out and will keep on running well into the future.
CPU:Intel i5 proc (do not buy an I7 it is not faster then an I5 (save for hyper threading and triple channel) GPU: Any ATI HD4*** or 5*** i reccomend: HD 4870 or a 5770 if you have the money RAM:4gb of dual channel or 6gb of triple channel ddr3 ram (if you have an I7 (does not have to be a good brand)) MOBO:Atx mobo with Crossfire and triple channel support support just in case you ever want to upgrade. PSU:650W Corsair. CASE: 800D
Seagate: 320GB hdd Seagate: 1TB HDD No ssd's yet.
That is a yuck decision for a psu. Buying a 650W right in terms of upgradeability is stupid. A higher wattage does not increase consumption or energy costs and will run more effeciently as a 650 with a 4870 with dual or quad core i5/i7 with tripple channel ram and all the extra crap will be taxing close to 550-600W already. General rule is to have 20% head on your PSU or it will work too hard and burn out quickly. Also not GPUS and cpus are getting MORE power hungry and therefore not investing a little extra into a higher wattage psu is silly. The price differences now adays to go from a 650 to an 850 is not much. Also if you want to save money on effeciency look for 80+ certified psus.
edit: I just noticed what you ordered raj and seriously dude you will regret buying that PSU. Far underpowered.
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.03.22 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: FTLENGAGE
Originally by: Droning Ceo I think the PSU is often overlooked and is worth spending a bit more on, and that i wouldnt want an ATI card because it takes them about 3-4 mins to load a bad company 2 map, whereas an old 8800 will load it in 30 seconds or less.
other than that? meh cool story bro!
enjoy your eve
ahahahahahah since did the the GPU start loading data the cpu does it and the speed of your hardrive/memory effect how quickly the data can be made available to the cpu.
GPU does not effect loading times
Wrong. In the case of loading the game from the desktop the GPU does not play a part but when it comes to loading maps like the person stated typically this is the time when textures are being loaded into GPU memory and frames are being pre rendered. Otherwise when you jumped into the game you would see black and then images would start to 'pop' in as the GPU rendered the initial background and objects.
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Dr Caymus
Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune
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Posted - 2010.03.22 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W PSU
LOL, and I thought my Corsair TX750 was a bad boy...
I upgraded to that last year along with a GTX 285 when my 8800 GTX melted down. In between those components I have on old QX6700 sitting on an Intel D975X mb that is still rock-solid as long as you blow the dust and dog hair out of it every few months. Four clients redline the fans but still run fine on this relic.
Dr Caymus -=ATI=-
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Tripoli
XenTech
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Posted - 2010.03.22 04:33:00 -
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Ugh, y'all are making my old P4 seem ancient. It barely runs 2 accounts with everything turned down. --- All 392 skills trained.
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FTLENGAGE
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Posted - 2010.03.22 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ascendic
Originally by: FTLENGAGE
Originally by: Droning Ceo I think the PSU is often overlooked and is worth spending a bit more on, and that i wouldnt want an ATI card because it takes them about 3-4 mins to load a bad company 2 map, whereas an old 8800 will load it in 30 seconds or less.
other than that? meh cool story bro!
enjoy your eve
ahahahahahah since did the the GPU start loading data the cpu does it and the speed of your hardrive/memory effect how quickly the data can be made available to the cpu.
GPU does not effect loading times
Wrong. In the case of loading the game from the desktop the GPU does not play a part but when it comes to loading maps like the person stated typically this is the time when textures are being loaded into GPU memory and frames are being pre rendered. Otherwise when you jumped into the game you would see black and then images would start to 'pop' in as the GPU rendered the initial background and objects.
no it is not wrong a gpu does not load map data etc it only caches textures, geometry and shaders which are loaded by your cpu the gpu just sticks them in memory ,memory that has a faster access time than the ddr3 in your computer.
a graphics card should not slow the loading of a map go play a game where it tells you exactly what is beeing loaded and when most of it is nothing to do with the gpu.
a gpu is pretty much idle until something needs rendering.
you can load almost any game just as fast on a basic ancient card as you can a top of the range one and thats a fact
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.22 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ascendic Edited by: Ascendic on 22/03/2010 01:51:06
That is a yuck decision for a psu. Buying a 650W right in terms of upgradeability is stupid. A higher wattage does not increase consumption or energy costs and will run more effeciently as a 650 with a 4870 with dual or quad core i5/i7 with tripple channel ram and all the extra crap will be taxing close to 550-600W already. General rule is to have 20% head on your PSU or it will work too hard and burn out quickly. Also not GPUS and cpus are getting MORE power hungry and therefore not investing a little extra into a higher wattage psu is silly. The price differences now adays to go from a 650 to an 850 is not much. Also if you want to save money on effeciency look for 80+ certified psus.
edit: I just noticed what you ordered raj and seriously dude you will regret buying that PSU. Far underpowered.
I agree you will regret buying that PSU, waste of money. That easily runs on a 450W PSU (just take one with a good 12V rail), with more than enough margin. Why would you possibly 850W?
http://www.corsair.com/products/hx450/default.aspx
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