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inVictu5
Caldari EVE Corporation16855460
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Posted - 2010.03.18 22:47:00 -
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I finally said screw it after losing a crapload of caldari ships in pvp. These ships are next to worthless unless doing pve. Even if you use missles they dont compare to other races. Today I start training gallente ships..
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Felix Esperium
Lysergic Distortions Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.03.18 22:55:00 -
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Can I have your caldari stuff? |
inVictu5
Caldari EVE Corporation16855460
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Posted - 2010.03.18 23:06:00 -
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follow my corpses.. feel free to salvage it. |
hgedsku
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Posted - 2010.03.18 23:36:00 -
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I you fail at pvping with caldari your gonna fail even more with gallente (rails and blasters aren't exactly hot right now).
Pro: Use the drake. Best BANG FOR YOUR BUCK ship in the game! (Neut domis are pretty cool to though too.) |
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.03.18 23:56:00 -
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any ship in bad pilot hands is bad ship...
go gall untill crusers (fly thorax) is efectiff and cheap to lose
then swich to minni (fly jag and vaga) both nice ships
keep the drake in cal is cheap BC and it perform well (T2 heavy is must) |
ABITA
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.03.19 00:02:00 -
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I once had 50+ M SP caldari pvp pilot, wich I used for ratting since in fleet warfare I never got into killmails since my missiles were too slow compared to guns..then I sold it. |
Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
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Posted - 2010.03.19 00:58:00 -
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So... you got tired of losing pvp ships, and you switch to Gallente? Let me save you some time; train Amarr. |
Andracin
Minmatar Ever Flow Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.19 01:02:00 -
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As has been said many times by many others there are not so many bad ships as bad pilots. Caldari actually have some dang good pvp ships. A HAM drake is comparable to a Sac at a fraction of the cost, or load it up with heavy missles and it does good medium range damage, assault launchers and tank and it is a FW frigate slayer from hell. A torp raven is one of the highest dps bs in the game. If you expect to be able to sit out of the fray and safely use weapon systems then caldri use ecm to denigh their enemy the use of any weapon system at all. What you cannot do with caldari is sit out of harms way with a missle boat and expect to snipe. As another poster said you won't get on KM because amarr, gallente, minmatar guns will alpha the targets face off while your missle is still in the air. On the other hand when shooting at ships you won't get "your Thunderbolt missle completely misses your target" while things are running circles around your hull. Bottom line if you really prefer gun style alpha, go ahead and train another race. I fly amarr, gallente, minmatar and some caldari ships. Nothing wrong with a choice. But there is no race that has no place in pvp in this game, just no place for pilots who want to fly certain ships in certain ways that their ships are not intended and have absolutely no intention of changing. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.19 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mire Stoude So... you got tired of losing pvp ships, and you switch to Gallente? Let me save you some time; train Amarr.
This. Gallente are the weakest right now, amarr or minmatar if you don't like missiles. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.03.19 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris
Originally by: Mire Stoude So... you got tired of losing pvp ships, and you switch to Gallente? Let me save you some time; train Amarr.
This. Gallente are the weakest right now, amarr or minmatar if you don't like missiles.
Amarr on the whole are poo unless you only want to use BS/Capitals. Only the Zealot/Recons really stands out. Minmatar have a much better (as in: the best) line-up currently .. speed AND tank AND damage AND range all at once, everyone else have to choose
PS: If smaller stuff is primary wish with occasional BS and you are coming from Caldari then train Minmatar and drones next, get into the Typhoon .. best close range BS slugger once the skills are in place. |
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Colonel Evans
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Posted - 2010.03.19 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mire Stoude So... you got tired of losing pvp ships, and you switch to Gallente? Let me save you some time; train Amarr.
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Nurf Skrotch
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Posted - 2010.03.19 11:25:00 -
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Train minmatar. They are fotm at the moment. Best frigs, best cruisers, best bcs. Tech 1 and Tech 2. |
Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2010.03.19 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: inVictu5 I finally said screw it after losing a crapload of caldari ships in pvp.
I think it's more the fact that you aren't very good at pvp. Feel free to train a different race though. |
inVictu5
Caldari EVE Corporation16855460
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Posted - 2010.03.19 13:10:00 -
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um no ^^. My amarr toon has half the deaths of my caldari, and twice the kills.. also about 5 mil less sp. |
Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.19 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus LeHane on 19/03/2010 13:16:08 This is why a lot of the Caldari militia do not use Caldari racial ships. |
dtyk
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Posted - 2010.03.19 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: inVictu5 um no ^^. My amarr toon has half the deaths of my caldari, and twice the kills.. also about 5 mil less sp.
And by chance would you happen to have considered that you really can't use caldari ships? |
Clytamnestra
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.03.19 15:14:00 -
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Look at all these opinions, each of them leaning another way. Could that mean, *gasp* that there aren't any one best race?
But yeah Caldari is the one worst race, that's for sure. |
Sneaky Noob
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.03.19 16:49:00 -
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is bad thread imo |
Radcjk
Failed Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.03.19 19:38:00 -
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Caldari ships are very niche. They do great in their niche and in their niche only. The problem with niches, is that once you start to cross train, others races niche ships do better. Why tackle in a Raptor when you can do it in an Ares or malediction ?
That said there are very few genuinely bad boats in eve. There are, however, a lot of bad pilots that do the same dumb **** over and over and hope for a different response. |
NoLimit Soldier
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Posted - 2010.03.19 20:11:00 -
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Its not the race, it's you. I fly mainly caldari (some pirate) and I do just fine. My overloaded torp raven is one mean kid. Selectable damage types is a huge plus.
Where exactly are you failing? Maybe we can help you out.
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar Tides Of War
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Posted - 2010.03.20 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: NoLimit Soldier Its not the race, it's you.
Like the post two up said Caldari is niche orientated and given the strength of armor tanking RR, of which all three other races can partake in, I can understand Caldari pilots wanting to crosstrain. Sure a Drake/Scimitar gang seems to work a treat and Nano Drakes are pretty cool but I still rate Caldari last for small gang pvp.
Gallente get trashed all the time on these forums yet blaster fit Megas still pwn face in the hands good pilots. Add in the Domi/Thorax/Vexor/Ishtar/Arazu (plus Myrm is useful and Brutix fun)and you have a seriously good pvp race for small gang warfare.
That said I prefer Minmatar - quality plus variety. Minmatar is hawt right now and you can use your shield tanking and missile skills. You can get into a Typhoon pretty damn fast from Caldari.
Amarr is great for BS's but it doesn't have a lot of other good pvp ships. |
Marcus Grim
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Posted - 2010.03.20 10:49:00 -
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Yeah, Amarr sucks ... don't ever fly an arbi or pilgrim |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.03.20 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Yakov Draken Gallente get trashed all the time on these forums yet blaster fit Megas still pwn face in the hands good pilots. Add in the Domi/Thorax/Vexor/Ishtar/Arazu (plus Myrm is useful and Brutix fun)and you have a seriously good pvp race for small gang warfare.
It's not that they're "bad" ships, not "bad" in the way that the Hawk is bad, say. It's that other races have better options. Okay, "small-gang combat" covers many different types of fights, but Gallente ships are often a bit one-dimensional - they do a close-range gank thing well, but aren't very good at projecting force at range.
For example, in gang, I'd generally rather have a Drake than a Myrm or Brutix. I'd rather have (as a single DSP-support BS so ignoring RR issues) a torp Raven than a Megathron. I'd rather have a Falcon or Rook than an Arazu or Lachesis, and I'd rather have a Cerberus than an Ishtar. You know, I'd even rather have a Caracal over a Thorax.
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar Tides Of War
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Posted - 2010.03.20 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III For example, in gang, I'd generally rather have a Drake than a Myrm or Brutix. I'd rather have (as a single DSP-support BS so ignoring RR issues) a torp Raven than a Megathron. I'd rather have a Falcon or Rook than an Arazu or Lachesis, and I'd rather have a Cerberus than an Ishtar. You know, I'd even rather have a Caracal over a Thorax.
You can't just ignore RR issues. In my experiance a gang based on torp Ravens fighting a armor tanking RR gang will get annhilated given even numbers and skill.
I know there are a lot of people out there dedicated to flying Caldari and they find ways to succeed. That said armor tanking RR is very powerful and much easier to do than shield tanking RR - 3 out of 4 races armor tank and armor RR is far easier to fit. That is why I gave props to the nano-Drake and Drake/Scimitar gangs as they get around these problems.
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Woad Rager
Minmatar Sphere Industries Eternal Strife
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Posted - 2010.03.21 03:29:00 -
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Correct me if I am wrong, but the way I see it, ALL ships in EVE have their standard victims / favoured opponents, and all have their nemisis i.e Oh god!! one of those, I'm screwed!!.
Some ships are great for Solo PvP, these have already been pointed out, others are good for small gang wet work and then some are just suited for only fleet ops, but play a major role toward the success of that fleet.
Caldari (missile boats) for the most part should be on most peoples shopping list for gang / fleet op's and with the right support, are devastating. Same can be said for that matter about any factions ships. No matter whose faction it belongs too, it will have strengths, and they will have weakness. It is up to the pilots of those ships to lessen the weakness of those ships, and increase it's strengths, and it's up to the FC to to employ those ships to their strengths and not their weakness.
Solo work is another thing entirely, your a lone wolf, you therefore have to pick your oponent with care if you want to win, and even then, still expect a supprise that one didn't count on.
Everyone else will have stories / opinions to share, easiest way to undertand PvP is learn from your mistakes, even PvP Gods have their off days, and don't forget to insure your ship "ORDANANCE IS THE PRIVELEGED RIGHT OF THE ARMOURER.....DEATH IS HIS BUSINESS.....AND BUSINESS IS BOOMING!!" |
Logitricky
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Posted - 2010.03.21 10:26:00 -
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1 word... "Dominix"
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Van PokerAlho
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Posted - 2010.03.21 17:36:00 -
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Caldari are the best by far, everyone loves Caldari for their superb pvp ships, everyone cross train to caldari to be able to fly such wonderful pvp ships like Drake, Falcon, Drake, Kestrel, Drake, Drake, Falcon, Caracal, Falcon, Drake, Kestrel, Manticore and the inevitable Drake. Missiles are perfect, superb dps and kinetic only damage which is fantastic and completely not predictable, there are nothing better than caldari ships, they are excellent at everything EVE related.
I vote, CCP nerf Caldari!
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Rexthor Hammerfists
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.21 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Van PokerAlho Caldari are the best by far, everyone loves Caldari for their superb pvp ships..
baa baa -
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2010.03.21 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: Gibbo3771 on 21/03/2010 18:19:44 Gallente are kick ass, they might not be the fastests or have the best range...but soon as you catch that vaga, pilgrim, curse...your 1kdps "Cruiser" will melt it. 1.2k (Vindicator is capable of dealing almost 2000dps!!!) DPS bs will buttfuk it.....a 300dps fukin frig....come on reli? who cares about speed and tank when you can just out damage every mofo on the field?....
When i fly my gallente frigs i rarely tank it, DCU all the way....even a domi I slap blasters on the fuker and lightly tank it....gets as much dps as a gank mega.
You gotta love the ranis and ishkur as well.
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Alsyth
Night Warder
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Posted - 2010.03.21 20:08:00 -
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Cladari missile & shield tanked boats are very good in small roaming gangs.
If you want instant snipe, guns, drones or armor, Caldari isn't the right choice though.
But... Crosstraining and flying many different races is always better, it makes you versatile. It's not that hard to train except at BSs/Capital level.
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