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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.03.20 19:53:00 -
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I recently hit the FFA1 beacon before the mass testing began. I had made some bookmarks roughly 100km at various spots around the beacon, this one done just after the beacon had been cleaned of wrecks and drones. I logged off and had some dinner (For those who are interested it was Pasta and bacon with a pesto sauce with a side salad and garlic bread, was good.)
Anyway, I come back after some time after this delicious meal was eaten. I hop into my Cerberus and attempt to make some cheap kills on FFA1 and sneaking in on some killmails and optimising my fit... I mean "testing".
So I warp to 0m on my brand spanking never been used before 100km bookmark... I sit there A sin is within 60km He sensor damps me so I cant lay any missiles onto him and warp off to another bookmark which happens to be 140km from this sin. I lock him and open fire. Literally 10 seconds has passed and a scorpion has warped on top me. I look around spin the camera etc.... No wrecks no drones, no nothing... Maybe someone is cloaked in his fleet giving him a warp on. I proceed to warp to yet another bookmark, the "Sin" is still visible and is a substantial distance from me so he can't be flying cloaked towards me (let alone covering 140km in seconds). So I end up on another bookmark this one is 170km from the one where the scorpion dropped on me. I look around confirm to myself no wrecks/drones and no one within 110km range of me...
5 seconds later... hello scorpion... he lands 4,500m away from me... I'm thinking "What the ****!", Immediately warp to another new bookmark... same again and another same again. This guy is able to warp to me where ever I am whenever he wants...
I was not fleeted, I had no drones or wrecks sitting beind me. I had never used these bookmarks before so it would of been impossible for him to have them exactly where I am at the perfect angle that lets him drop out of warp <5km.
Is this is a bug an exploit or what? I have no idea how this was even remotely possible. The character was called "Ashteron'N'KA" and after asking in local how the hell he was doing it I received no response.
Finally, He may well have been "bug testing" and had found an exploit but he was clearly using it for his own gain there. I opened a conversation with a "CCP" character though they didn't entirely know what was going on.
Can someone elaborate on this issue for me please? There seems to be no possible way without bug/exploit that this character was warping ontop of me everytime.
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Jack Dant
Minmatar The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2010.03.20 20:15:00 -
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No exploit, he just kept probing you down.
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SketS47
Minmatar creative construction and industries
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Posted - 2010.03.20 22:51:00 -
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apparantly things like this are getting more common on the main server aswell.
Being ganked at 0 literally 10 seconds after you exit warp, thats to fast for probers! Should really investigate what the exploit is.
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Darcon Kylote
Terminal Impact Kairakau
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Posted - 2010.03.21 01:34:00 -
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If you've already got 4 probes at the tightest possible range on that grid, 10 seconds is plenty of time to hit scan and warp to the result. You don't have to reposition your probes to get a new warpable hit.
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Lordess Trader
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Posted - 2010.03.21 02:58:00 -
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warp off grid, hit scan on the already in position probes that you had on top of your position, and warp back to the spot that it shows, walla done, sorry but even with ****ty skills its doable, it just takes pre planning
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Kanatta Jing
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Posted - 2010.03.21 04:13:00 -
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Ya warp to 0 with probes is pretty awesome. Doesn't work very well on interceptors though.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.21 04:23:00 -
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has its downsides Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00 |
SketS47
Minmatar creative construction and industries
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Posted - 2010.03.21 11:34:00 -
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im not talking about the same grid, thats the frustrating part
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.03.21 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Amberlamps on 21/03/2010 12:36:44 Something tells me it wasn't probes purely because he was in warp before instantly after I had landed.
It clearly just aligned to where I was and then as soon as I had come out of warp and I could control my ship he was already warping to me.
I am aware of this probe situation but trying to probe FFA1 and track the ships down... I don't see it working as well as he said. I've also used this method on an occasion during a war to get our fleet to drop onto the WT who went off grid.
The problem I see with it was the whole idea that he was warping to me the SECOND I had come out of warp he was already aligned clearly just by double clicking space... though as soon as I had landed I was seeing his scorpion warp across FFA1 an dropping ontop of me. I really doubt he was using probes considering its 5 seconds to probe with maxium skills? If he was using probes he'd ignore all other results but mine.... I just don't see that being the case.
Any further ideas on how he did it?
Originally by: Darcon Kylote If you've already got 4 probes at the tightest possible range on that grid, 10 seconds is plenty of time to hit scan and warp to the result. You don't have to reposition your probes to get a new warpable hit.
Sorry didn't read your comment. Though I will confirm again it was UNDER 5 seconds, he was pre aligned to me which isn't hard. Though it was under 5 seconds that he was warping ontop of me... We're assuming he had the probing time skill at V. It was far too short for him to do it even with max skills and his probes prepared and ignore all other but my results its points towards a technique which wouldn't work without some sort of exploit/bug use involved
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Fish Hunter
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Posted - 2010.03.21 16:40:00 -
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Wrecks can be warped to at any time, so i you both warped to/near the same wreck that could happen
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.03.21 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Fish Hunter Wrecks can be warped to at any time, so i you both warped to/near the same wreck that could happen
I guess you didn't read my post. I specifically warped to bookmarks and fortunately there were no wrecks anywhere near me. The FFA1 beacon had just been cleaned by a CCP character, thus no wrecks behind, next or even within 80km of me.
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Neddy Fox
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2010.03.21 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Neddy Fox on 21/03/2010 18:30:25 I warp fleets at 0 within 5 seconds, time after time. Nothing special, it's called combat probing.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.03.21 18:53:00 -
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With 4 probes already deployed all a person has to do is double-click in space in the direction you are warping, hit scan and warp to result .. From you land until he lands on top a mere 10 seconds will pass depending on the precision of his alignment. The five seconds you mention is not possible even if he was warping to wrecks (warp+deceleration) so I think that number might be influenced by some light paranoia on your part
To avoid it all you have to do is drop a shield extender and fit an ECCM. The scan/sig ratio should be high enough to prevent most non-CovertOps ships from doing that (theoretically anyway).
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.03.22 03:16:00 -
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The issue thing I'm trying to point out was the second I had come out of warp he was initiating warp and I had only moved somewhat 170km - 200km max. I am aware of the probe tactic like I have said as I've used it on TQ to get a fleet ontop of a WT who went off grid. It just seems surprisingly fast that he was able to warp to me the second I had landed. I am no exaggerating this fact though, it was within 5 seconds he landed on top of me, so he pretty much must of hit the warp to 0m button after I had landed.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.22 05:28:00 -
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Edited by: Trimutius III on 22/03/2010 05:29:26 I don't know if it possible but the idea is: He see where direction where u warp so he can align even before u warp (not really precise but good enough) then he may hit scan while u still in warp. So he'll recieve result just after u stopped if he gets good timing. And because he is already aligned he may warp to u. Maybe he was training that maneuver for quite a long time... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Catari Taga on 22/03/2010 14:36:24
Originally by: Amberlamps The issue thing I'm trying to point out was the second I had come out of warp he was initiating warp and I had only moved somewhat 170km - 200km max. I am aware of the probe tactic like I have said as I've used it on TQ to get a fleet ontop of a WT who went off grid. It just seems surprisingly fast that he was able to warp to me the second I had landed. I am no exaggerating this fact though, it was within 5 seconds he landed on top of me, so he pretty much must of hit the warp to 0m button after I had landed.
Just try it yourself and you will see that it works. Pre-aligned warps over a 170k distance are pretty much instant and you can start probing as soon as he warped off (you do not need to wait until he has actually landed). Whether you are on/off grid is completely unrelated to this. This is happening on TQ all the time, only way to catch logoffskis for example (see the logon notification from your address book, hit analyze, warp, tackle).
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.03.25 02:40:00 -
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Edited by: Amberlamps on 25/03/2010 02:46:17
Originally by: Catari Taga
Just try it yourself and you will see that it works.
Yeh I have done it, I just found it a little more suspicious that this battleship was getting into warp the second I was landing. I know how to do it, I know how it works, I know because I also do it.
I was more confused by the fact that he obviously had no idea what direction I was going and as I was warping a cruiser it was a fast warp. He had aligned obviously burnt to 75% in a Scorpion and then he managed to time the probing so perfect he managed to begin his warp within moments of me landing.
I enjoy this tactic though I was just baffled on how fast this dude was able to do it. I often run a Torpaven with a probe launcher to take out sniper ships fast.
Originally by: Catari Taga This is happening on TQ all the time, only way to catch logoffskis for example (see the logon notification from your address book, hit analyze, warp, tackle)./quote]
I was informed of this tactic as well but have never been fast enough to do so, I was informed though that without aggro they will log off too soon for you to take them out, However if you use a smartbomb it sets a 15minute aggro timer on them, is that true?
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2010.03.25 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Amberlamps I was informed of this tactic as well but have never been fast enough to do so, I was informed though that without aggro they will log off too soon for you to take them out, However if you use a smartbomb it sets a 15minute aggro timer on them, is that true?
If they logged off again before they even land at your location you have no chance but if you manage to aggro them while they are still online you're good for 15 minutes. Tackling them is enough but the advantage of a non-targeted weapon like a smartbomb is that it's faster (you'll still want to get tackle on of course, even with the timer the ship will still enter emergency warp if not tackled).
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.03.25 20:32:00 -
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He probably flew around in an interceptor all over the area making a bookmark every 10km or so and then he has map marked out on a piece of grid so when he sees you warp somewhere he looks on his map and finds the correct bm then he will warp there and land on your forehead.
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WhiteSavage
Ever Flow Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:41:00 -
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A lot of people are reporting this kind of thing happening. w/no probes on scan. Amberlamps seems to know enough to understand how basic game mechanics work. And this sounds oddly suspicious to me as well.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Amberlamps The issue thing I'm trying to point out was the second I had come out of warp he was initiating warp and I had only moved somewhat 170km - 200km max. I am aware of the probe tactic like I have said as I've used it on TQ to get a fleet ontop of a WT who went off grid. It just seems surprisingly fast that he was able to warp to me the second I had landed. I am no exaggerating this fact though, it was within 5 seconds he landed on top of me, so he pretty much must of hit the warp to 0m button after I had landed.
The second you drop out of warp his probe cycle is finished and he can enter warp... He only has to start probbing as you decelerate from your warp. -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog |
Jintra Jin'tak
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Vivisection.
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Posted - 2010.04.24 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jintra Jin''tak on 24/04/2010 00:42:04 Edit - ah, nevermind. Have to learn to read first and smartass later.
original post: Cerberus, right?
Easy - missiles are bookmarable. Hold mouse over Missile spamming cerb, wait till other targetable objects pop up, right click misslie - bookmark, warp to, point at him and lol, kill.
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