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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2010.03.22 13:32:00 -
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CCP Greyscale gives us an update on the design revisions to standings in his newest dev blog. This blog is an update to a previous blog he wrote, which you can read here.
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Radgette
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Posted - 2010.03.22 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Radgette on 22/03/2010 13:34:57 first woot
would be nice if you went back and added more roles at the same time as changing the standings so we can manage pos better :p
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Phantom Slave
Universal Pest Exterminators
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Posted - 2010.03.22 13:39:00 -
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The proposed changes should appease the masses. I think it's freaking awesome that you guys listened to the playerbase and changed your minds on a few things.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.22 13:46:00 -
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Interesting
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Rocius
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.22 13:54:00 -
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Quote: òStarbases and outposts will gain an additional checkbox option to use alliance standings instead of corporate standings. This will be off by default, and will be configurable on a case-by-case basis. Note that this will affect all options in a station equally - it either uses the owning alliance's standings, or it uses the owning corporation's standings.
Awesome !
Now we just need to be allow alliance members to have roles at the POS's too and we are set !
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Areo Hotah
Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:09:00 -
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As requested in the previous thread, and not mentioned in this dev blog: can alliances set standings to individuals now??
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Greyscale on 22/03/2010 14:32:40 While we're at it, I'd like to mention that this post was emailed around prior to the meetings where we decided on these changes, and acted as a touchstone for a lot of the discussion. It's an excellent example of the kind of feedback that can have an immediate and direct effect on our decision-making processes.
Edited: Prism X has a better answer re alliance standings :)
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:29:00 -
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A good compromise, thanks for iterating based on player feedback
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CCP Prism X
Gallente C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Areo Hotah As requested in the previous thread, and not mentioned in this dev blog: can alliances set standings to individuals now??
The alliance standings will function exactly like corporate ones. As you can add characters as corporate contacts, you will be able to add characters as alliance level contacts.
Alliance standings will continue to affect your overview according to your priory settings in the overview settings, we will simply add the possible alliance->character check as well (as now it is only alliance->alliance/corp).
Alliance standings will affect the the standing settings of POSs/Outposts that are set to "Use Alliance Standings". This will be a complete overwrite of what standings are used to resolve aggression, service access and cost NOT some aggregate/mean/min/max of the corp/alliance.
People in your alliance will NOT have an implicit standing of 10, people in your corp will. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008. |
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OwlManAtt
Gallente Dreddit
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:36:00 -
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Quote: Corporations and alliances (not individual players) will have access to an "advanced mode" when setting standings which will bring back the slider and thus allow more granularity
Not to be a ****, but...why can't individuals have advanced mode? That seems to be a rather arbitrary and absurd decision. --- Owl |
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift New Eden Research
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:43:00 -
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While I didn't hate the previous changes, I do like the fact that CCP listened to the feedback, integrated it with the larger design goals, and came back with something that addresses the needs of the players who responded while still allowing us all to move forward with the new functionality that drove the changes in the first place.
Also, if I never see that standings slider again, it'll be too soon. --
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Dan Dynamite
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:49:00 -
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Hi, do chars will be able to set standings directly to aliances? As for now a char can only set standings to corps..
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CCP Prism X
Gallente C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Prism X on 22/03/2010 14:54:50
Originally by: OwlManAtt
Quote: Corporations and alliances (not individual players) will have access to an "advanced mode" when setting standings which will bring back the slider and thus allow more granularity
Not to be a ****, but...why can't individuals have advanced mode? That seems to be a rather arbitrary and absurd decision.
There's no granular functionality on a character level requiring it to be a slider. After the feedback and some soul searching with the code it became obvious that implementing the discrete standings on a corporate level without sacrificing the flexibility of the current functionality wasn't as cheap as we initially imagined. Hence we had good reasons to retain them in the slider format. Having made the corporation decision on the facts above it made a whole lot more sense to add a slider on the alliance level so that it could become as useful as the corporate standings.
Q: Why not have an optional advanced mode for characters? A: Because it is just complicating things for no reason. If you have an optional "Advanced Mode" you're in your rights to expect using it to have an effect and when it doesn't we might have confused you for no good reason.
Edit: Yes, a character can set an entire alliance to a given level. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008. |
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Ibo Tpmp
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dan Dynamite Hi, do chars will be able to set standings directly to aliances? As for now a char can only set standings to corps..
This. Please.
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.03.22 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dan Dynamite Hi, do chars will be able to set standings directly to aliances? As for now a char can only set standings to corps..
If an alliance can set a standing to an individual I bet you can do it the other way around as well.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.22 15:06:00 -
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What about the differences between individual/corporate standings and colors?
For example, if I set a corporation to -5 on a personal level, they appear red, but at -4.9 they appear orange. If this is done at the corp level (corp to corp), -5 is orange and not red. Is this a "feature"? By the way, this is my signature.
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Maven Deltor
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Posted - 2010.03.22 15:12:00 -
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A gaming company that listens to its subscribers. Are you guys from bizzaro world? Do you all have evil mustaches? Anyhow, good work!
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Harotak
THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.03.22 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X Yes, a character can set an entire alliance to a given level.
Awesome, thanks!
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CCP Prism X
Gallente C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.22 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Unknown What about the differences between individual/corporate standings and colors?
For example, if I set a corporation to -5 on a personal level, they appear red, but at -4.9 they appear orange. If this is done at the corp level (corp to corp), -5 is orange and not red. Is this a "feature"?
Not quite sure what you're on about here. It is not my intention to program in any discrepancies between personal, corporate and alliance contacts other than the personal ones lacking the granularity. That of course means that you can set an entity to -5.1 on a corporation level but only to -10 (red) or -5 (orange) on a personal level and a -5.1 would show up as (red) as it's below -5. -4.9 would be orange as it's -5 < -4.9 < 0. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008. |
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.03.22 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no granular functionality on a character level requiring it to be a slider.
Q: Why not have an optional advanced mode for characters? A: Because it is just complicating things for no reason. If you have an optional "Advanced Mode" you're in your rights to expect using it to have an effect and when it doesn't we might have confused you for no good reason.
Edit: Yes, a character can set an entire alliance to a given level.
Players need to manage and clasify their contacts too. A slider is not strictly needed, but we need some way to track why we gave certain standing to certain people. So, if granularity is gone we need at least one of the following: + Folders storaged on the server (the current folders are useless because they reset from time to time and all your work is gone, making impossible to reclasify old people that you don't remember). + Tags applied to characters. + Coments on why you put the standing that you can view quickly from the standings window.
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CCP Prism X
Gallente C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.22 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Prism X on 22/03/2010 15:37:30
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
+Folders storaged on the server (the current folders are useless because they reset from time to time and all your work is gone, making impossible to reclasify old people that you don't remember). +Tags applied to characters. +Coments on why you put the standing that you can view quickly from the standings window.
Rather than keep your hopes up I'll just come out and say that all of this is outside the scope of the current release plan due to resource constraints. However, the team does agree with your assertion and given more time and man power this would rank quite highly on the list of should-do's we'd pull in. But alas.
I am only saying this in the spirit of transparency. I am not promising any work being done on behalf of my co-workers because that would be rude and I cannot promise you that we'll fit iterations of this into any specific date as it is not my decision. I can however tell you that we're not ignoring you, we simply yet sadly must pick and choose our battles.
As to the comments, you have the character notes. Having 'specialized' character notes all over the place sounds horrendously confusing compared to having them accessible at a single location. In my opinion at least. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008. |
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Iltarus Almondis
Caldari Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.22 15:37:00 -
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Quote: +Folders storaged on the server (the current folders are useless because they reset from time to time and all your work is gone, making impossible to reclasify old people that you don't remember). +Tags applied to characters. +Coments on why you put the standing that you can view quickly from the standings window.
This. Would be awesome.
Other than that: I like it.
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Lord Helghast
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Posted - 2010.03.22 15:51:00 -
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i like that ccp heard and implemented these changes, but i just hope they hear the crys about PI and dont go rushing it and dropping all the promises they made (impacting neighbors, polution, population control, etc)
also strongly agree that server side contact folders are really needed in a big way.
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DmitryEKT
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.22 15:58:00 -
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Good balance of new and old here, nice to see CCP do in fact listen to player feedback properly (*cough* motherships *cough*)!
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.22 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
People in your alliance will NOT have an implicit standing of 10, people in your corp will.
Just so i don't confuse this: It was stated in an earlier blog that it would be no longer necessary to set each corp in an alliance to positive standing to keep pos from randomly blowing up alliance mates in different corps.
Will there be an implied +5/+10 from corp to corp in the alliance?
Actually...will there be an overview of all implied standings, if there are any, from each entity to each other entity? This is kinda important to prevent our infrastructure from turning on us after patchday.
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr Frontier Venture
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Posted - 2010.03.22 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 22/03/2010 16:40:53 While I appreciate the blog, I don't see why we need to keep the slider. While I understand that restricting it to 5 standing slots is a little too restrictive, maybe 7-10 slots? (10 being extreme). I've been a Not-red-don't-shoot diplomat on many occasions with access to standings and the slider was more of a pain than an assistance. I only ever saw the use of it when setting people personally via my standings. And even now, I could live without it.
But ultimately, I guess you listened to the majority for w/e reason. Its not the worst thing in the world :P
Keep up the work!
--Isaac Amarr Victor! A knight without a crusade...
"You just can't fix stupid"
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CCP Prism X
Gallente C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.22 16:39:00 -
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Thank you Bato for pointing out how convoluted the standings really are
Let me attempt to clarify.
There is no implicit resolution FROM your corporation TO your alliance resulting in an implied standing. However, just like FROM your corporation TO your corporation resolves into the implied standing of 10, the FROM your alliance TO your alliance resolves in a standing of 10. This makes perfect sense as you're asking about how much you like yourself.
So, if your POS is set to use the alliance standings, all resolutions will be based on FROM your alliance TO the entity in question (and its super entities) and if that entity is in your alliance the check is FROM alliance X -> (character Y, corp Z, alliance X) resulting in the standing of 10. If you have the POS set to using your corporate standings and your corporation does NOT have your entire alliance set to 10 (which it can do by simply setting the entire alliance to whatever standing it prefers rather than adding in all the corporations), it might very well start shooting at alliance members depending on settings. Of course if you set the insane "Use Aggression" setting on it'll turn into a homicidal maniac per usual.
The infrastructure will (erm.. let's go with should ) not turn on you on patch day.. it should have the exact same functionality as before. Currently existing overviews will display the new information to executors and directors. I'm not a UI developer so I'm not going to commit a professional suicide by promising any new UI. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008. |
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Cinori Aluben
Minmatar Hydrosolo
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Posted - 2010.03.22 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Cinori Aluben on 22/03/2010 16:56:20 I'm impressed with CCP development more than ever lately, something must've happened recently to inspire you to listen to customers even more. Nice work! Coding the game to work how your players want is the right way to make the best game possible, and you gain serious standing points too . We appreciate your consideration and hard work.
It looks as tho devs have been allotted a small window of time after a devblog is released to monitor and reply to comments. That is a most excellent idea.
P.S. - Hope all of CCP families are safe from the small volcano eruption in Iceland yesterday - and stay safe, they're worried it might pop again, but even harder.
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Draco Argen
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Posted - 2010.03.22 17:29:00 -
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Read the blog post and thought "Yep that will do as a compromise" Read the users comments and Dev posts and after deliberation thought.."Yep That will do"
I must also Say I FULLY agree with the post from the Eve Uni player, hi-lighted by CCP. Moar tools....but later is fine.
Coming from me, one sentence positive response is impressive.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.03.22 17:53:00 -
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Awesome job!
Great to see that you, again, listened to the player feedback and changed the design accordingly.
I don't know many game companies who are doing the same! Well done. |
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