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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Swarm of Angry Bees
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Posted - 2010.03.23 05:38:00 -
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huh.... here I always thought can flipping was merely undocking, finding the first yellow container, and taking the loot to initiate combat with whoever was guarding it...a way to pvp outside the corp in high sec. > WHILE SIG<AWESOME DO LOOP there is no escape from my crappy sig. |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.03.23 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ren Qu'Vaste
To speak directly to the first part of your post, if there's one thing I'm finding out, it's that I can't compare EVE to anything else I've played. Of course, that's a loot easier said than done when you've been playing MMO's since the days of EQ. I need to whip my ass into shape with learning all these new terms and gameplay mechanics, haha. Nothing like being at the bottom of the barrel and working your way up when starting a game that is damn near completely foreign to you.
If more players had this attitude towards the game, and life in general, Eve (and life) would be a much better place. I don't normally offer my help to new players but I like where your head is. That is, not up your ass. -
Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. |
Zirse
Minmatar Integrated Astromechanics Corp.
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Posted - 2010.03.23 05:41:00 -
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New to intermediate miners will often mine solo via 'jetcanning.' This involves mining the ore and then jettisoning it into space, as the mining ships have very small holds and can't hold much ore. When the jetcan accumulates enough ore to fill their hauler; they will warp to a station and dock up, and switch to the hauler. Then they warp back and grab the ore and haul it back.
Ideally, anyways.
Sometimes people will 'canflip' a miner, either to steal the ore and sell it themselves, or to provoke the miner into retaliating so they can kill the miner.
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silentalleycat
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Posted - 2010.03.23 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez lol noob go back to WoW and give me all your stuff
This ****es me off, knowing well he or she once was new aswell,with alot of questions and slightly ovewhelemd by it all
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Kharylien
Gallente Blackcog Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.03.23 05:44:00 -
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Welcome to EVE, from a slightly-less-newbie.
There's been good advice here already, but I'll just throw in this:
Compared with other games I've played, EVE has the most awesome community ever. The average intelligence is high. The douchiness levels are... variable, but as far as the forums are concerned, people here are actually very cool, so long as you don't throw Attitude around. Ask questions, be polite and honest about your own ignorance, and people are, so far, really incredibly helpful and nice.
This doesn't mean you should trust people, of course; the same people who will give you sincere and accurate advice as to how best to fit your ship will be quite, quite happy to blow it up for you and/or rob you blind, but nearly everyone seems to have a good idea of the difference between in-game and out-of-game behaviour.
In-game, all's fair in war and trade. Out-of-game, this is the best community ever. Even the forum trolls are occasionally actually funny. (Well, some of them.)
Good luck. Don't give up at the complicated stuff, just remember not to be a jerk about it when you're the one asking for knowledge.
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Langoss
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Posted - 2010.03.23 06:03:00 -
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eve-guides
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Ashina Sito
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.03.23 06:52:00 -
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Can flipping video... although the result is the reverse of normal.
Can Flipping
I have begun to make some basic PvP training videos. They are a bit large, still looking for someone to help with the compression. The other vids are from past training fleets I have ran.
Training Vids
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.03.23 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ren Qu'Vaste
I like to either: take damage or heal. However, for some reason, healing doesn't seem all that appealing in this game for one reason or another, so I figured I'd go down the taking damage route. I dig managing hate and dmg, and all that jazz, so I figured a pure tank-role would be pretty solid. Does that help any?
There is no tanking role in PvP. Being a tank is basically relying on your opponents' incompetence. However, there is definitely a healer role in PvP. This is fulfilled with Logistics ships and then later with Carriers.
Both of these are fairly advanced ship classes and will take a fair number of skillpoints to specialise in. The Logistics ships have Tech 1 varients, but they're not really very effective, and not much used. In any case you will probably want to be able to fly general combat ships in order to make some income for yourself (Tech 2 Logistics and capital ships are not cheap)
And for some more general advice:
(1) If you played other MMOs a lot before EVE, try and forget everything you learned in them as much as possible, particularly any expectations you have about other players being limited in how they can interact with you, and even more particularly any ideas about character advancement being the aim of the game rather than just another tool to advance your goals like wealth, assets, game knowledge and friends.
(2) If any warnings pop up, read them.
(3) While you will often be told "trust no-one", that's not quite true. What you should do is treat trusting anyone as if it were gambling. What are the odds? What are the stakes? What can I afford to lose? What's in it for him? Scams and ganks are perfectly legal in EVE, even in hi-sec.
(4) When older players give you advice about fitting ships, for the love of god, at least try following their suggestions.
(5) Don't listen to the morons who will advise you to train nothing but Learning skills to start with. Yes, doing that is more "efficient" when it comes to accumulating SP, but you're paying to play the game. A good rule of thumb is to spend no more than 50% of your training time on Learnings until you have basics at 4, advanced at 3. Then just leave them alone for a month or two.
(6) Don't listen to the people who tell you that you shouldn't leave hi-sec "until you're ready" and then tell you you will need x million SP or y ship class or z amount of ISK. You're "ready" to leave hi-sec when you want to leave hi-sec. I know people who left to live in 0.0 on their second day. I went to 0.0 after about 2 months, and I've frequently wished I went earlier. I would however recommend completing all the tutorials before leaving hi-sec.
(7) Don't listen to the idiot moron griefers who spread the pernicious lie that you need 10/20/40M SP and a Battleship/HAC/Dreadnaught "to be competitive" at PvP. Player skill beats character skill in PVP. The best way for a new player to "compete" at PvP is to get out there and do it. Want to learn to PvP? Join Red vs Blue. They will accept anyone no matter what. They aren't a training corp; they exist purely to provide fun PvP on demand in Hi-sec. You can leave or rejoin at any time. If you get a taste for blood, you can get some great training with Agony Unleashed, who will teach you PVP procedures more formally and thoroughly.
(8) You don't have to grind missions to make ISK. Missioning is the EVE equivalent of being on welfare - a boring, low-level income for people who can't find a real job. There's a huge and complex economy out there, with a lot of opportunities for a thoughtful, alert player with a fast, cheap ship.
(9) Do ALL the tutorials
(10) MAKE FRIENDS. EVE strongly rewards people who group. If you never talk to anyone you'll miss out on a chance to make the game infinitely more rewarding.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch TriMark Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.23 07:08:00 -
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one word: ninjasalvaging
if i was you i would try to learn to ninja loot and ninja salvage mission runners.
its a good way to learn how to interact with other players in eve
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bigcockrandymountain
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Posted - 2010.03.23 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra one word: ninjasalvaging
if i was you i would try to learn to ninja loot and ninja salvage mission runners.
its a good way to learn how to interact with other players in eve
Oh great. Eve needs more moronic high-sec dwelling numbnuts desperately claiming 'tears' from their victims.
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citizen20100323919
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Posted - 2010.03.23 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra one word: ninjasalvaging
if i was you i would try to learn to ninja loot and ninja salvage mission runners.
its a good way to learn how to interact with other players in eve
Oh great. Eve needs more moronic high-sec dwelling numbnuts desperately claiming 'tears' from their victims.
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Malen Nenokal
The Nightshift
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Posted - 2010.03.23 08:02:00 -
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Welcome to Eve
-Join a noob friendly corp. (Red vs. Blue is a great way to get your feet wet) -Don't be afraid to lose ships, because you will a lot. -PvE isn't very fun after a while, this is primarily a PvP focused game anyways. So unless industry/trade is your thing, get into PvP early and often.
Good luck!
Eve isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world; it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world. --CCP Wrangler
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2010.03.23 08:18:00 -
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Once you accept (since I can tell you over and over but you'll deny it inside) that you can do anything you want in EVE, look me up in-game and I'll have a job for you and I'll teach you about making the game what you want it to be.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.03.23 08:19:00 -
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ohai. welcome to EVE.
two rules for you to get around here:
1: trust noone. 2: trust noone.
follow these simple rules, and you're done. oh also, join a corp ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.23 08:26:00 -
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Heh, reading this thread has reminded me of when more people were helpful, but there were no tools out there to directly aide you. I'm talking about a time before QuickFit, EFT, EveHQ, all that stuff.
People used to put their own ships together and eventually people started to find fits that worked (cookie cutter fits) and then QuickFit came out and ruined everybody.
Ren, you have something I want >:| I want to see the game from a beginner's perspective all over again. To be able to undo Eve would be amazing. Just to let you know how far I've progressed, I'm training Titan to 5 right now. It was something I had always dreamed of doing and now the dream is a reality and now I find myself with nothing left to dream about.
*sob*
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bigcockrandymountain
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Posted - 2010.03.23 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Just to let you know how far I've progressed, I'm training Titan to 5 right now. It was something I had always dreamed of doing and now the dream is a reality and now I find myself with nothing left to dream about.
*sob*
You can always dream about being a better poster.
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citizen20100323919
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Posted - 2010.03.23 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Just to let you know how far I've progressed, I'm training Titan to 5 right now. It was something I had always dreamed of doing and now the dream is a reality and now I find myself with nothing left to dream about.
*sob*
You can always dream about being a better poster.
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Cailais
Amarr Diablo Advocatus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.03.23 09:51:00 -
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Hi Ren and welcome to EVE.
Unlike other MMOs EVE is an open universe where you decide your own goals and objectives. That's hard to do when you don't know what's actually out there so take the time now to read up a little on the various elements of EVE.
The EVE Wikipedia is a useful resource for general knowledge as are player written blogs - Crazy Kinux's blog pack is well worth a read and has useful links to other sites (such as podcasts, guides and so forth).
The best advice that most players will give is:
1. Never fly what you cant afford to lose. 2. Join a player run corp. 3. Trust no one. (or at least be the suspicious type, scams and crooks abound in EVE).
Follow those simple steps and you cant go to far wrong.
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.03.23 10:11:00 -
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Like the above person said join a corp they will help you out with skills and maybe even ships. knowledge is power |
Morrn
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Posted - 2010.03.23 10:21:00 -
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Contact Morrn in-game later today. I dont mind spending time answering questions in game for faster learning heh.
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small chimp
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Posted - 2010.03.23 10:27:00 -
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Newbie question on general discussion -> lol @ noob. Newbie question on new player q & a -> serious and helpfnl replies.
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Skippermonkey
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Posted - 2010.03.23 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jeneroux If the op is referring to playing a tank class in other MMO then is not a precise analogy to this in Eve. No player classes or levels here. the ships have the classes and the pilot trains skills for the ships.. can play any class here if you train skills.
welcome to Eve.
Maybe he is refering to the infamous 'Hero Tank' ?
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.23 10:58:00 -
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The beauty of eve is you can be a tank and a healer at the same time if you pick the right ship and the right gang.
Bigger isn't better and if you wanted to, you can be out being a usefull member of a gang in about a day.
Talk to me in game if you have any questions, want help\tips.
Blue --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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David Grogan
Gallente Final Conflict UK Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.03.23 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: David Grogan on 23/03/2010 11:18:58 Ren 1. do the tutorials 2. your lucky u even have tutorials now most of the older players of eve didnt even have that when they started playing eve. 3. join a player corp that specialises in helping noobs. 4. shield tanking is only good for pve........armor tanking is for pvp and hull tanking is for real men :P 5. train navigation skills too SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
Lashnar
Caldari New Eden Recon Force Beyond-Control
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Posted - 2010.03.23 11:25:00 -
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Also, downloading EFT can help a lot. That's what I did when I was knew. If it wasn't for EFT I still wouldn't know how to outfit ships very well. Welcome to EVE. |
Bug Buster
Caldari Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.03.23 11:53:00 -
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Hy Ren welcome to Eve.
As a basic advice: don't get overwhelmed by Eve, it has so many things to offer you will always have to do something, but don't even try to understand what's going on in the first days. As a good starting way to follow a learning by doing way I'd suggest:
1) Train the basic learnings all up to Level 4. 2) Mix in some skills you need for your racial frigate. (more @ 7) 3) Do the tutorial mission arc. 4) When you have finished the arc you will be send to a lvl 1 agent, he'll have more missions. 5) Fly some missions until you got 'enough' ISKs or get bored. 6) Get tools like evemon and EFT 7) Pick up a good fitting for your 'best' racial frigate on battleclinc. ( Rifter for Minmatar, Punisher for Amarr, Merlin or Kestrel for Caldari, Tristan or Incursus for Gallente). Sort them by highest to lowest rating, so you will have a ship + modules which is confirmed 'working' by other players. Have a look for cheap PvP and PvE setups. 8) Export and import those skill plans to evemon. For PvE and PvP. 9) learn those skills to at least level 3, better level 4 or 5 but avoid skills that last longer then 7 days at the beginning. 10) Mix the advance learning skills into that plan. Learn them to lvl 4.
By mixing those learning skills and your skills for the frigate you will not be learning with the optimal speed (that will require you do all learnings before doing any other skills), but you will improve with your ship and your learning and have more fun during the progress.
Now you are 2-3 weeks 'old' in Eve, got your frigate skills up and your learnings done? You are ~ 1.5 Million SP? You got following options now:
1) learn Cybernetics to lvl 3 and get yourself some implants to speed up the learning process even further. Buy them as cheap as possible. Level 3 if you can afford, level 2 if not. 2) Have a look for your racial cruiser, find a nice fitting (or try to fit one on your own?) and go for level 2 Missions and make more ISKs while training those cruiser skills. 3) Grab your frigate (better 2-5 of them) and join RvB to see what's all about that bloody PvP, ganking, gatecamps, fleet ops, agression timers and stuff all people are talking about. Cheap and funny sandbox PvP to get a basic idea.
Sorry for the wall of text, but downtime made me write too much ;)
Regards Bugy Bugy
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Something Random
Gallente The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2010.03.23 13:40:00 -
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The advice above is all pretty solid.
I have one recommendation for you, take a look at the frigates available to you and pick a cheap one, set it up so it can go fast and has some guns that work at around 5km up to 15km... or missiles whichever. Set your destination as orvolle, once you arrive jump to and use the PF-346 gate and see what happens. This is true 0.0 (zero zero AKA null sec) and is where youll likely end up wanting to go in the future. Experience unadulterated Eve till you die.
Enjoy Eve i hope she treats you well.
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Krist Valentine
Amarr Diablo Advocatus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.03.23 13:50:00 -
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hey, it might have already been suggested but if not, id say you should look up eve-uni and give them a shout, theyre in the business of stopping peoples brains bleeding :) red vs blue i saw suggested earlier, good idea but maybe give it a month or so before you get into that. til then just keep chatting in the rookie help channel, people are generally pretty friendly in there.
and welcome to eve :) hope you can work it out ok
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Salen Kane
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.03.23 14:15:00 -
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Another generic piece of advice:
Always exercise the same amount of caution that you would in a major metropolitan area known for its high crime rate.
Would you let a complete stranger hold your ipod if he promised you he'd give you 2 ipods in a minute? Would you pay 100$ cash for what the salesman promised was a 'real genuine gold and diamond ring'? Do you get into the back of an unmarked, filthy van because a creepy guy offers you candy if you get in there?
Yeah, thought so. Dont do it in EVE either. Im just some nobody who trolls the forums during work.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.03.23 15:44:00 -
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Welcome to eve...for your edification I've included a graph as to what you can expect vis-a-vis trying to figure out what to do in this game here. --
Originally by: "RedSplat" You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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