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Raynaar
Amarr Intergalactic Mining And Trade Corp.
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 11:11:12
Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is.
I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds.
Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market.
How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating ISK<-->GTC's and 30 day plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has.
Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current structure.
Now, can something be done?
Holy crap. 6 years I've been at this and I never thought I'd ever say this, but: Can I have ur stuff??
"Put the pick in there, Pete, and turn it 'round, real neat..." |
JonnyWarhawk
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 11:11:12
Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is.
I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds.
Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market.
How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating ISK<-->GTC's and 30 day plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has.
Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current structure.
Now, can something be done?
answer to this is dual logging :) on one account you semi afk mine and on second have fun - - -
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Che Molex
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Wacktopia I think you need to join a large Corp or Alliance that has a T1 ship supply and replacement policy. Train your skills up to battle-cruisers and fly them with T2 fittings - medium T2 fittings and rigs are pretty affordable or go for decent named ones.
Many larger corps/alliances will happily give you ships to fly so long as you follow orders and arn't a dooshbag - it's a small cost to them to produce the ships.
Also, if you're in a 0.0 alliance then nullsec ratting is somewhat sweet in the isk dept.
If you tell me "I want to be solo" then that's the price you pay for being a lone wolf. That's life.
Excellent Point and that means this is a Multi-Player game, Unless you want to work hard as a loner before 'Fun' high risk behavior.
Thanks for comparing me to a Scientist. Like Edison said of invention, 99% perspiration, 1% Inspiration ?
EVE is something like that, Feels Good and FUN !
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.03.24 14:30:00 -
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OP proves that a Sub-Orbital Ballistic Engineer does not a Rocket Scientist make ---
Even though you might disagree with what I say, that doesn't automatically make me a troll. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.03.24 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Baron Agamemnon
I am sorry, but all I see here is whining from a guy who is lazy
This.
And btw I'm to lazy and dumb to get my ISK by anything but grinding, yet I can easily afford HACs. Dual screens ftw. While I'm browsing or watching a flim or whoruming, I can also run missions with about 5% of my attention and rake in an easy 30 mill an hour or more.
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Baron Agamemnon
Caldari Holy Grail Construction
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Posted - 2010.03.24 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 24/03/2010 15:16:19 Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 24/03/2010 15:15:47
Originally by: The Tzar Um rocket science isn't actually that complicated.
I think this needs to be updated from a pre-war model to the 21st century;
Try nanotechnologist or sub-quantum physicist.
Heh, I'd like to see the avarage Joe doing orbital calculations and making complex control systems for rockets and missiles.
While the basic physics is the same, the applications humans use rocketry for is very much complex and needs a dedicated education to fully take advantage off.
As do any such high tech filed.
And nanotech or physics is the same, still need the "same" education. So being a proper "rocket scientist" is still as hard as ever really
But, if you just bother to learn anything, nothing is really "hard". --- "And thus, another of the world's dreamers died, taking his dreams with him. Just as John Lennon wanted world peace, Gerald Bull simply wanted a gun big enough to fire **** into space." |
Daemonspirit
Redhawk Tribal Trust
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Posted - 2010.03.24 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 11:11:12
Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is.
I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds.
Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market.
How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating ISK<-->GTC's and 30 day plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has.
Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current structure.
Now, can something be done?
I was going to write a huge WoT on why this is a bad idea and why CCP allowing those who can afford it to buy GTC's is a huge advantage over RMT'ers (from outside the game), but the overwhelming sense of entitlement the OP displays, along with his/her need for instant gratification, makes any reply useless. He/she doesn't get it and its doubtful to me if he/she/it ever will...
Before you go overboard about "how much time you have to play..." I too have a life, and kids (one in college, one married and about to make me a grandfather), a farm, horses... you know, a LIFE! I find nothing wrong with the current isk/risk/reward setup...
Maybe if you and your friends had attention spans longer than an ADHD, hydro-encephalitic gerbil, hooked on Meth and having an epileptic seizure had gotten together...
bah...
tl;dr? HTFU!
ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.24 16:41:00 -
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T1 cruisers generally aren't very good by themselves stat-wise, there's some exceptions (certain Rupture fits) but IMO... if you want a cost-effective PvP ship, buy yourself a BC. Harby, Hurri, Drake and Myrm are all amazing ships, and you'll have way more success with them than you will with most cruisers.
- Malyutka (The Virus) - |
S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2010.03.24 17:05:00 -
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My Rocket Science is only level IV, can I still play EVE?
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.03.24 17:11:00 -
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If you haven't figured out how to trivialize moneymaking in Eve, the problem is you. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp |
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Stray Bullets
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Posted - 2010.03.24 17:42:00 -
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I failed my rocket science class.... does this mean I should move to a disneyland-type-mmo?
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2010.03.24 18:10:00 -
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Seems like someone is upset because he can't do what everyone else in eve has no problem doing because a lot of eve players are aeronautical engineers?
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IVeige
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.24 18:22:00 -
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mmm
Is there anyone here that is NOT a rocket scientist yet
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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.03.24 18:22:00 -
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ive never been called a rocket scientist before lol
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.03.24 18:25:00 -
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Sounds like the op wants passive income. Well ccp in its good grace have even provided that isk faucet in the form of research agents. Google up some guides and enjoy your passive income that will easily buy you a bunch of fitted t1 ships to use every month and so reduce your grind to just getting the really nice stuff instead of having to grind for it all.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
CCP Shadow's Troll List. |
Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
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Posted - 2010.03.24 22:24:00 -
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I can understand the OP in his frustration. All those ppl who are talking about easily making heaps of ISK per hour are not doing it by deep strategic planning. In most cases it's either legalized RMT or grinding rats for hours. Those that really make a lot of ISK are ppl who are allowed by their corps to farm high end plexes and exclusively get the loot, or old veteran lucky lottery winners. May be there are some traders and inventors who make a good profit, but in order to originally get in trading or investing in a good position, you'd need to invest tons of ISK, otherwise, you'd be trading for peanuts or inventing crappy modules that will give you pathetic profit. |
SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.03.24 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Estephania May be there are some traders and inventors who make a good profit, but in order to originally get in trading or investing in a good position, you'd need to invest tons of ISK, otherwise, you'd be trading for peanuts or inventing crappy modules that will give you pathetic profit.
I have never employed RMT of any kind, and it takes me no more than a few hours per month of play time to make enough money to keep myself in ISK. I have been a solo player for almost my entire Eve career, with the exception of a few small corps comprised of RL friends (who didn't stick around long).
Anyway, you're basically 100% wrong, as is the OP. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp |
David Grogan
Gallente Final Conflict UK Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.03.24 23:04:00 -
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its easy make isk in the game either 1. grind l4 missions 2. rat in 0.0 3. mine ores in 0.0 4. scam in jita 5. pirate in low sec 6. work your way up to IT (bob) alliance's or solodrakbansolodrakbansolodrakban's (goons) hc and then move all the assets into your hangar before u disband the alliance. SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
Cambarus
The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.03.24 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Estephania I can understand the OP in his frustration. All those ppl who are talking about easily making heaps of ISK per hour are not doing it by deep strategic planning. In most cases it's either legalized RMT or grinding rats for hours. Those that really make a lot of ISK are ppl who are allowed by their corps to farm high end plexes and exclusively get the loot, or old veteran lucky lottery winners. May be there are some traders and inventors who make a good profit, but in order to originally get in trading or investing in a good position, you'd need to invest tons of ISK, otherwise, you'd be trading for peanuts or inventing crappy modules that will give you pathetic profit.
The best way to make isk in this game (and in most games for that matter) is off of other players. Grinding isk is nowhere near as profitable and flipping GTCs is just too expensive to be viable to most people. Friend of mine got stabbed in the back a few months back by a certain corp, and he asked for my help in getting some revenge. I agreed, made an alt, and in less than 24 hours had stolen about 2billion isk from the corp. It wasn't difficult, it wasn't time consuming, it just required a few choice words and some planning. I have other, more honest ways of making isk, but tbh more often than not I just spend a day or 2 mission running every now and then (nice way to relax after too much pvp). If you're good enough at it, even missions give you more than enough money to be able to afford pvp.
TBH the only problem here is people like the OP, who want to do things that require isk, but don't actually like making isk themselves (not to mention the fact that the GTC trade is a way around this, but they're also too cheap to buy plexs). It's not the game's fault you CBA to make isk, nor is it the players'. It's yours. The prices of ships are based on a more or less average of what people are willing to pay for them. Most people who can fly HACs well enough to make them good in pvp have been playing long enough to know how to get the isk needed to buy them when they go boom, and just because the OP is one of the minority who can't is no reason to go bashing the game as a whole.
Hell, if you're good enough at pvp and you've got enough friends you can usually find people willing to GIVE you ships in exchange for your pvp knowledge/protection against other pvpers (remember that just as there are people with pvp experience and no isk, there are people with lots of isk and no pvp experience, and just as how you want to pvp without carebearing, there are those who want to carebear without pvping). My 3 man corp's been given HACs, recons, blackops and even a carrier in exchange for our firepower, so I'm sure that you could manage to find someone willing to fund your pvp if you market yourself properly. |
Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2010.03.25 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Now, can something be done?
Yes indeed, there's something you can actually do about it.
You can HTFU and L2P. Otherwise, can I have your stuff? |
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Shawshanke
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Posted - 2010.03.25 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Originally by: VanNostrum I can afford eve therefore I'm a rocket scientist
You are typing words, hence you are a typewriter.
Quoting the guy quoting the rocket scientist, that must make me the rocket scientists assistants assistant.
And I can afford to play eve so that makes me the rocket scientists assistants assistant who is also a rocket scientist himself.
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Foraven
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.25 00:37:00 -
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I quite understand what the OP is frustrated about. When i started playing it was quite hard to get a few millions isks, and really easy to spend it all in matter of minutes. It's a lot of grinding on your own before you can fly level 3 missions or buy a good mining ship. A lot of players i know who started around my time (mean a few months ago) bought plexs because they became tired of all that grinding for little rewards.
Now i'm part of a corp that does a lot of ops and share the rewards. I still could not make that much isks on my own though, i still depend on corp mates for most of my earnings.
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Fortune Foru
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Posted - 2010.03.25 00:57:00 -
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BC PVP is great fun. Train logistics and any decent corp will likely hand you the ship for PVP.
In the meantime train Research alts, setup a few buy orders here and there and see what happens.
Failing that, kick the tires somewhere else and come back when you realize this is the only game in town that matters.
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2010.03.25 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Foraven I quite understand what the OP is frustrated about. When i started playing it was quite hard to get a few millions isks, and really easy to spend it all in matter of minutes. It's a lot of grinding on your own before you can fly level 3 missions or buy a good mining ship. A lot of players i know who started around my time (mean a few months ago) bought plexs because they became tired of all that grinding for little rewards.
Now i'm part of a corp that does a lot of ops and share the rewards. I still could not make that much isks on my own though, i still depend on corp mates for most of my earnings.
You can't do what everyone else does (where everyone else does) and expect to get a decent profit out of it. Specially in your starting months you'll be more likely than not going to have to spend quite some time getting bad isk/hr while you start learning the ropes and getting the knowledge required to profit in EVE.
After that it will be up to you and your initiative to decide whether you'll be making 5mil/hr or 50+mil/hr as a newbie-ish player.
Problem is a lot of players don't have any initiative whatsoever and expect isk to rain from the sky or simply go into their cargohold via mining lazorz just because they "spent time working" on it, but it doesn't work like that at all. You first need to get rid of the salary-man mentality before thinking about having enough isk to "play" the game.
This is of course not counting people for whom making isk and depleting asteroid belts is the actual game (and have lots of fun doing it). It's a sandbox after all and you gotta do whatever brings you the most fun/hr even if it isn't very isk/hr friendly.
So my advice is to do your research and try your hand at different ways of making isk until you either find a way to make isk and have fun at the same time or you find the fastest way to "work" and make good isk to support your favorite activities.
But either way you are the one who is going to be making the isk, and no one else. Because if other guys know how to make the good iskies they are going to save the knowledge for themselves and not share it with you (for obvious reasons.)
PS: So yeah, I'm going to have to sig the "HTFU and L2P" thing because I'm typing it too often nowadays. |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.03.25 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Foraven I quite understand what the OP is frustrated about. When i started playing it was quite hard to get a few millions isks, and really easy to spend it all in matter of minutes. It's a lot of grinding on your own before you can fly level 3 missions or buy a good mining ship...
Excuse me, but thats bull****. If he can properly fit and fly HACS (Skillwise) then he can at least run lvl3s, probably lvl4s.
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Mistah Ewedynao
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.25 06:14:00 -
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Quote: If he can properly fit and fly HACS (Skillwise) then he can at least run lvl3s, probably lvl4s.
No freakin wonder you you guys are poor. I can beat Lvl3s easy in an AF, and many in a faction frig.
A HAC for a lvl3????
Keep ignoring that training advice you can find all over these forums.....
.............HAC's for lvl3's
Quote: Then, make invention something that works.
That is the most sensible thing you said.... but in this case don't bother to train the needed skills to max, it's still roulette. STOOPID CCP!
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Jernau Gurgeh
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.03.25 08:26:00 -
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When I was young I always wanted to be a rocket scientist when I grew up.
My Mum's gonna be so proud of me now that I've made it. ___________________________________________________________________________________ There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not. |
Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.03.25 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 25/03/2010 08:50:34
Op there is numerous ways to make ISK, many effectively passive and requiring little time. But I'm sure you know that as it's all over these forums and countless guides.
So Its obvious you're really a sacked but grossly misunderstood Rocket Scientist who hates you're former employers and wants to get back at them. This requires a cunning ploy to ignore 99% of EVE to mislead them into thinking you have finally lost your marbles and in a stroke of genius you will reveal your true self, save the world, manage to make some ISK outside missions and show them how wrong they were to treat you so badly. Or something like that, the plot needs work. I'd throw in an unrequited love interest to spice it up and keep the plot generic. Maybe involving a bunny burner exotic dancer or two.
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Doctor Rothschilde
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Posted - 2010.03.25 11:14:00 -
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I am only a nuclear scientist. Guess I'd better quit playing now because EVE is obviously beyond my means |
Travelin Matt
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Posted - 2010.03.25 11:26:00 -
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WOW is still active.....should check it out
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