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Sophie Malaster
EuroMECH Tech Market ARTESANOS
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Posted - 2010.03.24 16:12:00 -
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The main problem of t3 ships are that you receibe 18M for the insurance and the ship cost 300M with 5 subsistems and the ship.
But it's so funny because 200M of this 300M go out only in melted nanoribbons... The T3 ships are a really good ships, but it's a cruiser, just a cruiser. 300M for one cruiser and 200M only in 40 Melted, it's should be rebalanced.
Only if ccp change how often the people obtain melteds and the price of melteds change between 5M to 1M, the ships'll cost 125M not 300M, ONLY WITH THIS. 125 it's a bit more affordable for one cruiser. And it's still more expensive than T2 ships. ________________________________________________
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.03.24 16:47:00 -
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Uh... that's the point.
It's supposed to be expensive.
Might want to get a bandage for that foot btw. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.03.24 17:30:00 -
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prices are defined by players. not by CCP.
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.03.24 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Jeremey on 24/03/2010 18:44:09
Originally by: Sophie Malaster The main problem of t3 ships are that you receibe 18M for the insurance and the ship cost 300M with 5 subsistems and the ship.
There is no such problem because no one of devs ever told that T3 ships must have insurance. Want insurance - fly T1.
Originally by: Sophie Malaster
But it's so funny because 200M of this 300M go out only in melted nanoribbons... The T3 ships are a really good ships, but it's a cruiser, just a cruiser. 300M for one cruiser
Prices are defined by players, not CCP. So if players are paying 300M for "cruiser", it means that its not just a cruisers but a very, very good ships compared even to T2 hacs.
Originally by: Sophie Malaster
Only if ccp change how often the people obtain melteds and the price of melteds change between 5M to 1M, the ships'll cost 125M not 300M, ONLY WITH THIS.
Ship will not cost 125M, because its price are determined by market demand and not nanoribbons' drop. If you boost drop of nanoribbons, then others kinds of salvage will get price high. Yes, you can boost drop of all components, but no one ever told that T3 must have price like T2.
Originally by: Sophie Malaster 125 it's a bit more affordable for one cruiser. And it's still more expensive than T2 ships.
When was the last time when you looked at T2 hacs price in Jita?
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.03.24 19:02:00 -
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The OP is based on so many false assumptions that it's hard to know where to even start.
So I'll simply say - this is working as intended. Move along. --Vel
Originally by: Jiseinoku
Mining is the path to enlightement.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.03.24 19:06:00 -
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Troll or ignorant.
Take your pick.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.24 19:46:00 -
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Quote: this is working as intended
I don't think so, if 90% of the ship's price is contained in a single resource out of three dosens. the drop rates need to be configured so that they are more even. Currently, all sleeper salvage except nanoribbons is useless.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.03.24 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev
Quote: this is working as intended
I don't think so, if 90% of the ship's price is contained in a single resource out of three dosens. the drop rates need to be configured so that they are more even. Currently, all sleeper salvage except nanoribbons is useless.
This might be true. It seems to be a large bottleneck in the supply chain. However, I think this is the case throughout most production in Eve. Perhaps not to this extreme, but there are rare materials that make up a large part of the cost of all ships. Perhaps the cost should be better distributed (by making some other drops more rare and making this more common), but the end result shouldn't change. If anything, T3 cruisers should be a bit more in price.
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Sophie Malaster
EuroMECH Tech Market ARTESANOS
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Posted - 2010.03.24 22:54:00 -
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CCP can change the price, what happend with the last patch and the technetium? So many t2 materials grew up his price. If you change the drop, the offert i'll be more than now, and the price fall.
Ok you want the same price than now, but it's unsuall that all the price it's for only 1 item, like one says "it's a bottleneck", For me it's ok if ccp rise the drop of melted and fall the other drops, but it have more sense that all the salvage items cost more or less the same. Not this differences, 20k isk it's the normal price, compared with 5M you can undertand that it's unbalanced.
This is not a post for trolling, i only ask if can be possible to balance the t3 prices. I read the coments and i dont undertand completely, are you agree or not??
And ok it's not a good example the insurance and the price, but no one use t3 ships for pvp... it's a fail for ccp, work so hardly for make exposition ships... Strategic cruiser is not a navy cruiser that it's exclusive.
I hope i explain better now :) ________________________________________________
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.03.24 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 24/03/2010 22:59:31
Originally by: Sophie Malaster CCP can change the price, what happend with the last patch and the technetium? So many t2 materials grew up his price. If you change the drop, the offert i'll be more than now, and the price fall.
Ok you want the same price than now, but it's unsuall that all the price it's for only 1 item, like one says "it's a bottleneck", For me it's ok if ccp rise the drop of melted and fall the other drops, but it have more sense that all the salvage items cost more or less the same. Not this differences, 20k isk it's the normal price, compared with 5M you can undertand that it's unbalanced.
This is not a post for trolling, i only ask if can be possible to balance the t3 prices. I read the coments and i dont undertand completely, are you agree or not??
And ok it's not a good example the insurance and the price, but no one use t3 ships for pvp... it's a fail for ccp, work so hardly for make exposition ships... Strategic cruiser is not a navy cruiser that it's exclusive.
I hope i explain better now :)
That a fact?
Yeah.... Right.... ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
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Odetta Harpy
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Posted - 2010.03.24 23:30:00 -
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with a mix of bad english and crazy ideas you have lost me. I wondnt want a increased drop in nano ribbons anyway, yes it is a bottleneck, but it makes it so the prices stay at a reasonable level so WH's are worth staying in and/or the market isnt flooded with cheap T3 ships. If you want cheaper go for a T2 or even better a T1...
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Sophie Malaster
EuroMECH Tech Market ARTESANOS
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Posted - 2010.03.25 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Odetta Harpy with a mix of bad english and crazy ideas you have lost me. I wondnt want a increased drop in nano ribbons anyway, yes it is a bottleneck, but it makes it so the prices stay at a reasonable level so WH's are worth staying in and/or the market isnt flooded with cheap T3 ships. If you want cheaper go for a T2 or even better a T1...
Sorry for my english and my crazy ideas. For my english i can't do anything atm. But why is it a crazy idea? Meaby i DONT explain correctly again. I DONT SAY make cheaper T3 ships. I'm saying that a more BALANCED prices in salvaged items should be more correct. Meaby you dont understand very well, but with balanced prices the final price of one t3 ship can be the same.
With my example i tryed to explain that 2/3 of the price it's caused by only ONE item. It's simple, isn't? I hope you dont lost again. ________________________________________________
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2010.03.25 01:14:00 -
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Yes, I would support of making price distribution more regular. After all, melted ribbons are supposed to be "common" salvage. But it costs thousand times more than "rare". Talk of lack of simple math somewhere in drop tables.
Just I have growing suspicion that it is hard if not impossible to make the hypothetical new equilibrium anyhow stable. Just a gut feeling. I would like to be wrong here.
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Larkonis Trassler
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2010.03.25 02:11:00 -
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While nanoribbons are indeed the 'bottleneck' in T3 production (and quite a large one at that) their distribution is random and you find just as many (proportionally) in a C1 as a C6. T3 ships are at a reasonable price right now, mess with the drop rates/tables and you really risk upsetting the balance and potentially sending the price of T3 hulls all over the place.
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