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Not Amused Responsible
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:03:00 -
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I havenGÇÖt played EVE very much over the last 5 months, I have lost interest in all the politics and poorly balanced game mechanics, however I have had a great time playing Dust, itGÇÖs so easy to form squads, characters are less defined by your own personality and getting killed is less problematic, its great shooting people in the head instead of a pod, itGÇÖs made me think than EVE online is full of old time gamers who hide behind politics and manipulating game mechanics, perhaps you could say the 9 year old game is getting too long in the tooth even with updates, just a bunch of old farts hanging on to what they believe is rightly theirs, letGÇÖs face it, space is unlimited in size and potential species, even uncharted with no A-Z guide, EVEGÇÖs nothing like that!, more a Facebook with generic mechanics. So IGÇÖm curious how many Eve players play dust? And are Eve characters more superior to Dust characters?
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
170
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:06:00 -
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I'm 21. Just sayin.
Im playing Dust at the moment but the 2 games cant really be compared. Dust seems like it will be a lot more casual. Thats about it really if it werent obvious already. |
Azurius Dante
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:09:00 -
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Kids these days.....
Why do i get the feeling you're pissed about getting killed? |
ACE McFACE
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
734
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:09:00 -
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Not Amused Responsible wrote:So IGÇÖm curious how many Eve players play dust?
By shooting people
Quote:I have lost interest in all the politics and poorly balanced game mechanics The politics I can understand, but theres nothing 'poorly balanced' about EVE, there used to be, but now that theres new BCs and the blaster buff, along with future frigate and crusier changes, its getting pretty balanced. I just gotta go fast! |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
343
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:10:00 -
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Not Amused Responsible wrote:I havenGÇÖt played EVE very much over the last 5 months, I have lost interest in all the politics and poorly balanced game mechanics, however I have had a great time playing Dust, itGÇÖs so easy to form squads, characters are less defined by your own personality and getting killed is less problematic, its great shooting people in the head instead of a pod, itGÇÖs made me think than EVE online is full of old time gamers who hide behind politics and manipulating game mechanics, perhaps you could say the 9 year old game is getting too long in the tooth even with updates, just a bunch of old farts hanging on to what they believe is rightly theirs, letGÇÖs face it, space is unlimited in size and potential species, even uncharted with no A-Z guide, EVEGÇÖs nothing like that!, more a Facebook with generic mechanics. So IGÇÖm curious how many Eve players play dust? And are Eve characters more superior to Dust characters?
Hi!
To answer your questions I don't play Dust and I don't know how many do. So it's not zero, but probably more than one.
I have no context to answer your second question.
A general question of my own is when will CCP put a hold on spaceship development for Dust related stuff? I wonder if it will be :18months: part 2. |
Markus Reese
Incertae Sedis Cascade Imminent
215
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:11:00 -
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I don't play dust myself. I I would get bored of it in short time, after a couple of months tops. I live eve because it lets me play tactical, much like chess, there is alot more complexity, and it takes time to get things moving and for change to happen. This observable progress keeps me into it.
Dust, My brother is beta-ing Dust. He is opposite of me, was only in eve a few months, but I have been tutoring him in dust playstyle. More forgiving, and will be intense once it gets finished. Really excellent combat though the controls need more fiddling. |
Mallak Azaria
275
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:20:00 -
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Azurius Dante wrote:Kids these days.....
Why do i get the feeling you're pissed about getting killed?
Not empty quoting. |
Not Amused Responsible
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:23:00 -
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I wouldn't be playing dust if i was pissed and being killed |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
209
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:27:00 -
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I'm nineteen and enjoy EVE because it isn't rampant with stick-and-carrot microreward mechanics, encourages creativity and social collaboration and has tangible in-game consequences.
It offers something that no other game on the market can.
/thread Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. // Throwing one's hands up in the air and crying 'cal-matar nonsense!' seems to be the new dismissive these days when someone is being neither relevant nor dignified. |
Sarton Wells
Blackmoon Ltd.
10
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:33:00 -
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Not Amused Responsible wrote:I wouldn't be playing dust if i was pissed and being killed
Is dying with no penalty really dying? |
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Anuillae Fourneaux
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:35:00 -
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Not Amused Responsible wrote:And are Eve characters more superior to Dust characters?
Lorewise? Yeah, I'd say so. EVE characters run nullsec, basically, while DUST characters fight for contractors over planets.
In terms of gaming skill, FPS and Internet Spaceship MMOs just don't compare to each other. They're completely different. EVE would be a less casual game, though. |
Not Amused Responsible
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:38:00 -
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The penalty is that it goes on your profil, as dust charaters are mercs, stats matter, after all you would hire a merc to take out a PI with huge losses and besides its less politics! thats got to be good news. |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
209
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:42:00 -
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Not Amused Responsible wrote:My COD K/D matters, y'all oldies into lame politics!
Okay, we get it. See you in Dust! Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. // Throwing one's hands up in the air and crying 'cal-matar nonsense!' seems to be the new dismissive these days when someone is being neither relevant nor dignified. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4241
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:42:00 -
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Dust offers what the EVE experience badly needs - "pick up and play" quick-entry, casual-friendly gameplay. Historically adding such gameplay into "hardcore" (for want of a better term) games leads to diluting the experience. Seperating out the casual playstyle into a closely linked but seperate game is an ingenious way of squaring that circle. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
209
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:52:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Dust offers what the EVE experience badly needs - "pick up and play" quick-entry, casual-friendly gameplay. Historically adding such gameplay into "hardcore" (for want of a better term) games leads to diluting the experience. Seperating out the casual playstyle into a closely linked but seperate game is an ingenious way of squaring that circle.
I agree completely, hence my totally sympathetic 'See you in Dust!'
I'm glad that EVE is getting a compliment that can attract the type of player EVE itself doesn't cater to.
By keeping EVE "pure" (and I use the word very light-heartedly) I can't help but feel like we're dodging a bullet that tends to hit 'hardcore' games sooner or later. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. // Throwing one's hands up in the air and crying 'cal-matar nonsense!' seems to be the new dismissive these days when someone is being neither relevant nor dignified. |
Not Amused Responsible
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:06:00 -
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Will it stay separate though what about WIS? Surely Eve characters will meet Dust Characters, they already share the same server donGÇÖt they? |
Sarton Wells
Blackmoon Ltd.
10
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:19:00 -
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Not Amused Responsible wrote:The penalty is that it goes on your profil, as dust charaters are mercs, stats matter, after all you would hire a merc to take out a PI with huge losses and besides its less politics! thats got to be good news.
That's hardly the same as losing (potentially) everything you've worked for in a matter of seconds.
I agree dust is a welcome addition to eve. I don't agree it's better than eve. |
Not Amused Responsible
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:40:00 -
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I had to learn about my enemy for me to survive, what I found was something completely different, I love paying Eve online, but the GÇ£ PVP SANDBOXGÇ¥ was getting annoying, carebears kill too and the Dust mechanics lets me explore it in my play style, but in Eve IGÇÖm an industrialist and always will be.
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Klown Walk
Fat People Lag IRL
97
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:49:00 -
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Dust is meant to bring in casual players and perhaps they learn the basic stuff like fitting/skill training and decide to try eve later. I myself would never get it as I hate console fps. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:52:00 -
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OP if you don't like it, don't play it.
Nobody forces you to do whatever, and nobody can force or set your own goals unless YOU let it happen.
brb |
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Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:53:00 -
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You remind me of those people who ask for Ninja Gaiden and Dark Souls to be easier, clearly they didnt get the idea of the underlying games. Same with EVE, EVE wouldnt be fun if it wouldnt be tedious in some areas, if the time involvement wouldnt be big if the Death Penalty wouldnt be harsh.
The game is simply not for you, but dont think you can justify it with calling others old farts who hide behind other stuff. Your brain is just more fit for easy satisfaction than those who play eve who look for something harder (which is more satisfying in my book in the end)
With your suggestions on what Eve "needs" you would completely destroy it.
Eve made my heart pump, **** my pants and be nervous wether i can escape the ****** situation i maneuvered myself into in 0.0 keeping me on the edge of the seat. No shooter ever. EVER will be able to copy that thrill except for Arma, but that is exactly like eve. Unforgiving, brutal and hard.
DayZ by the way taps into the same, and thats why i still believe in this market, some programmers understud that some gamers want and need harsh environments. |
Screenlag
Beyond The Gates Black Core Alliance
20
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Posted - 2012.07.05 11:03:00 -
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Get me dust for pc, and I'd play it. And it's not because Eve is too hard or demanding for me, just because I like diversity in the games I play. |
Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.07.05 11:08:00 -
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Screenlag wrote:Get me dust for pc, and I'd play it. And it's not because Eve is too hard or demanding for me, just because I like diversity in the games I play.
100% this. Diversity. I dont demand a game that can do it all, that wouldbe foolish to think. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
215
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Posted - 2012.07.05 11:11:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Dust offers what the EVE experience badly needs - "pick up and play" quick-entry, casual-friendly gameplay. Historically adding such gameplay into "hardcore" (for want of a better term) games leads to diluting the experience. Seperating out the casual playstyle into a closely linked but seperate game is an ingenious way of squaring that circle.
It would be considerably more ingenious were it cross-platform. However I understand the economics of console-exclusive deals during the development phase so its understandable.
Not sure it'll last but I'm sure we'll soon see recruitment spam in Eve for players with a PS3 |
Ssakaa
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
210
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Posted - 2012.07.05 11:30:00 -
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Not Amused Responsible wrote: Is dying with no penalty really dying?
Updated my Journal
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Not Amused Responsible
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2012.07.05 11:32:00 -
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100% this. Diversity. I dont demand a game that can do it all, that wouldbe foolish to think
I couldn't agree more. Dust is also no forgiving in combat and also hard, just less politics making it a clean game |
Ahri Jhan
Shadowkrieg
67
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Posted - 2012.07.05 13:08:00 -
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well this gives me hope for dust514
I'm guessing all those who quit or just don't have the time for Eve will flock to this game since sometimes Eve can get way too hardcore for others to enjoy it.
Now that another window into the Eve universe is open, it can fit with others playstyles accordingly
still waiting on that PC version though... |
The Protato
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
22
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Posted - 2012.07.05 13:15:00 -
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Didn't know DUST was released? If you're talking about the beta, a lot needs fixing. |
Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
148
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Posted - 2012.07.05 13:31:00 -
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console is for fifa, pc is for fps.
im playing Dust, I like the concept - it reminds me a little of C&C Renegade, I just wouldnt play it a lot due to the console FPS problem.
qfmjt-1 |
Abel Merkabah
TIMELINE Industries
37
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Posted - 2012.07.05 13:35:00 -
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Othran wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dust offers what the EVE experience badly needs - "pick up and play" quick-entry, casual-friendly gameplay. Historically adding such gameplay into "hardcore" (for want of a better term) games leads to diluting the experience. Seperating out the casual playstyle into a closely linked but seperate game is an ingenious way of squaring that circle. It would be considerably more ingenious were it cross-platform. However I understand the economics of console-exclusive deals during the development phase so its understandable. Not sure it'll last but I'm sure we'll soon see recruitment spam in Eve for players with a PS3
Cross platform? On FPS? Never will happen. Console controls cannot compare to keyboard and mouse for FPS; PC players would slaughter the console players by the thousands. And it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with skill, a keyboard and mouse is just that much more efficient then a console controller.
That being said, it would have been great to get a player base from all the major gaming platforms for dust. The more the merrier IMO. "To destroy is always the first step in any creation." - E. E. Cummings |
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