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Xiro Taunt
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Posted - 2010.04.01 08:33:00 -
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It saddens me today to announce that 13 of my kin were killed today while being transported to freedom when the unarmed frigate carrying them was destroyed by a ship under the Sodalitas xx banner. I of course take a great deal of responcibility for this, however I also lay blame on those who shot down this vessel needlessly.
I see great talk of saving our people, but in reality these are pilots who wish only to fight. I am shunned, no doubt, as I will not take up arms, rather I attempt to use diplomacy and even isk to secure the freedom of my people. I negotiated with a member of a local alliance to purchase these slaves and ferry them to freedom. I beleave some were purchased at the KBP station where they had been left for sale by unknown parties.
As Providence has been very quiet, an attempt was made to ferry these slaves from various parts of providence to freedom. However the vessel was unexpectedly shot down even though it was clearly unarmed and hardly a threat to any vessel. Calls for a cease fire on humanitarian grounds were ignored.
I will continue my work, as I have always done, and again mostly in the shadows. And I will continue with non violent means as the violence we see each day simply brings us nothing but more death.
My appologies to the families of those we have lost. I would say that I should have perhaps found a more nuetral pilot for this leg of the journey, but I sence that in this war, with so many seeking nothing but death, such things would matter little.
And do not be fooled by the lies of either side in this conflict. They care nothing for our people.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.01 09:49:00 -
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You fool. Those 13 deaths are on your hands. What were you thinking, trying to move slaves through an active warzone while having no relationship with those involved in the conflict? To make such an ill-considered decision is bad enough, but it's sickening that you then try and shift the blame when it's your hubris which caused these needless deaths.
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Xiro Taunt
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Posted - 2010.04.01 10:06:00 -
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Yes. I do blame myself. But I am prompted by inaction on the part of others and the apparent lust for fighting over all else by many parties.
I will continue my work nonetheless and still attribute part of the blame to a overzealous Sodalitas pilot.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.01 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Borza Slavak on 01/04/2010 10:09:45 If you really wanted those slaves freed and were smart you would have given them to an Ushra'Khan member to transport.
As for our 'inaction', it's more a case of the sheer numbers of slaves we're freeing from CVA space and our continuing campaign (along with our allies) to free those remaining in Providence means we have more important things to do than post constant GalNet updates. You can probably expect a summary of the numbers of slaves freed at the end of the campaign, but ongoing public updates aren't a priority.
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.01 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Xiro Taunt
I will continue my work nonetheless and still attribute part of the blame to a overzealous Sodalitas pilot.
I wonder how many people will voluntarily board your ship if they know you will fly into a Sodalitas blockade and get them killed to make a weak political point on the IGS?
You won't force them to come with you, will you? --- Star Fraction Public - The new Channel
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Xiro Taunt
Minmatar Lesbos Logistics
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Posted - 2010.04.01 10:52:00 -
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I still have many more than willing to take the risks of transport, and the success fortunately outweighs this sad loss.
And concidering that this Xina openly admits to caring absolutely nothing for my people, I find the conection somewhat depressing, but take what mileage you may from this. I don't actually understand the point you are making to be quite honest.
And I still doubt that Sodalitas cares anything for the plight of slaves.
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Jakiin
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.04.01 13:52:00 -
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Those slaves died in the name of freedom!
That is to say, the freedom of SXX to kill them.
You see, -A- and U'K know that the rights of an alliance to set their own ROE and red list supercede the right of life to those caught in the crossfire. You can hardly expect to move freely through their space, can you? This is the new Providence, the free Providence, the Providence which sacrifices security in the name of liberty.
Not your liberty, of course. That would be silly. We mean the liberty of the people with guns.
* Jakiin Torash Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
Uncle Jak wants YOU to join the Khanid Provincial Vanguard! |
Sinti Vailatti
Kuomi Logistics
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Posted - 2010.04.01 14:07:00 -
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Was Xiro a fool for trying to move these slaves? Probably.
Is it a weak attempt to cast a bad light on U'K in Providence? Maybe.
Did U'K fire un an unarmed ship; an act which, in civilized space, would be called piracy and murder? Seems so to me chummer.
Right or wrong, who fired first?
KUOMI LOGISTICS: The bright future, today!Ö |
Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.01 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sinti Vailatti
Is it a weak attempt to cast a bad light on U'K in Providence? Maybe.
Did U'K fire un an unarmed ship; an act which, in civilized space, would be called piracy and murder? Seems so to me chummer.
Well, if this thread is only "maybe" an attempt to cast a bad light on us then your post is "certainly" an attempt to do so, nothing in the OP suggested that we had any involvement at all.
So yeah, naturally we mourn the loss of these lives, but we arent about to dictate that every one of our allies must first cargo scan targets simply because our detractors would just use shielded containers to perform this little circus with. You might also note that UK has in the past fired on ships carrying slaves resulting in the death of some of our brothers and that the opinion of some UK members here is that it is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
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Cribb
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.01 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sinti Vailatti
Did U'K fire un an unarmed ship; an act which, in civilized space, would be called piracy and murder? Seems so to me chummer.
If you read the title, you notice it was not U'k but an allie who fired. So no U'K did not fire on an unarmed ship.
To the Xiro Taunt although it is commendable that you tried to move free ex-slaves to empire. It is with out question stupid to move them in a unarmed ship through a warzone. So the only one to blame is yourself.
Next time come back when our auditeurs have made inventory of the captured stations and the open market orders. By then we Ushra'Khan will have free-ed all those slave and will be happy to relocate them to there beloved ones. ------- When in doubt, play loud
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.01 15:24:00 -
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Flying a ship with slaves into a warzone where you have no standings... then blaming UK for their deaths?
Are you insane? ----------
~bitter dog~
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Laerise
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.01 19:11:00 -
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Ironic how Providence was safer for slaves a few months ago, under the benevolent rule of CVA.
Oh, I forget, you don't care for their happiness or safety, so long as they are free.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.01 19:16:00 -
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Safer for whom?
Not for us. ----------
~bitter dog~
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.01 19:16:00 -
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The millions of slaves we've freed so far seem much happier now. |
Icarus3
Gallente DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.01 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Icarus3 on 01/04/2010 20:50:18 Xiro needs to only blame herself. Failing to pilot a cloaking ship, failing to notify the local authorities(U'K) of her shipment to freedom, failing to understand how to navigate through a war zone and finally failing to acknowledge that providence is in fact not "quiet" but has constant combat patrols running through it...
Maybe next time you'll think before you act let alone speak?
By the way the former holders of these pockets are now NBSI as well so surely you should be investigating/possibly addressing them in your posts as well. Surely they've shot down some slave transports themselves.
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Rogue Steel
Order of the Chaotic Sewn Together Wrong
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Posted - 2010.04.01 21:05:00 -
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Isn't intentionally putting slaves at risk in order to make a political statement a violation of SPCS guidelines?
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Icarus3
Gallente DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.04.01 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Laerise Ironic how Providence was safer for slaves a few months ago, under the benevolent rule of CVA.
Oh, I forget, you don't care for their happiness or safety, so long as they are free.
Freedom always comes at a great cost.
Obviously CVA don't care for their well being either otherwise they'd be active in providence making at least an attempt to defend/reclaim "their" territory.
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Xiro Taunt
Minmatar Lesbos Logistics
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Posted - 2010.04.01 21:55:00 -
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Unfortunately I did not have the slaves in my keep at the time, rather I awaited their delivery in KBP. And this area is indeed very very quiet for large periods of time. I personally saw lone Sev3rance battleships being evacuated through XHQ completely unopposed at the time, which makes it all the more strange that this small frigate was attacked in the very same area. No doubt seen as a 'soft' and defencless target. And this attack came after the pilots were notified of the humanitarian nature of the flight. Clearly an unarmed frigate was no threat, and it was unlikely to carry any substancial strategic cargo.
I had no control of how the slaves were transported at the time. As I say, I awaited delivery. I also have no political statement as such to make other than my continued call for an end to all violent conflict. The parties here, especially the new occupants of the area, wish only to fight and use whatever excuse to do so they can. At least with the previous administration I had some hope of flying in the area unmolested as a nuetral pilot. Yet even then I was fired upon on occasion. Of course now I can be certain I will be shot on sight by any of the new residents.
I remain a neutral party and take no sides in this conflict. I oppose all violence as a means to any end. I see only many who use any excuse they might find to simply fight. But I am also not blind. It is clear that the new residents of providence need far less excuse to kill than the former residents.
The concept of taking lives to save lives is flawed at best.
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Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.02 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Laerise Ironic how Providence was safer for slaves a few months ago, under the benevolent rule of CVA.
Oh come on Laerise, I had you pegged as smarter than that.
An obvious front of a known Sev3rance troll puts 13 slaves in a unarmed T1 frigate, then dies to reds he knew would be between him and empire and then blames the people who blew him up and U'K while he is at it?
There is only one person to blame for these deaths and thats the idiot who started this thread. Anyone who blames such a blatant (and irresponsible) set-up on anyone other than the OP needs their head read.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile
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Posted - 2010.04.02 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Xiro Taunt The parties here, especially the new occupants of the area, wish only to fight and use whatever excuse to do so they can.
Pilot ...
Quote: I also have no political statement as such to make other than my continued call for an end to all violent conflict.... I oppose all violence as a means to any end.
... do you have any idea of the degree to which you are in the wrong profession?
What is it, exactly, that you do? If you are anything but a trader in consumer goods, your hands are dipped in blood all the way to the shoulder. If you do not wield the killer's blade, you most likely help to provide it, making war profiteers of most of us, if not quite all.
But your understanding of the situation seems skewed to begin with.
Quote: The concept of taking lives to save lives is flawed at best.
Nobody in Providence is fighting to save lives, pilot.
CVA takes lives to save souls. Ushra'Khan takes lives to save the Matari, as a people, from slavery. And yes, there are probably a lot of pilots out there who are fighting for the simple, blood-saturated thrill of it.
Pretty much no one is fighting to save lives-- not their own, not the enemy's, and certainly not those of any passers by, whether foolhardy or unlucky.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.04.02 01:07:00 -
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A whole 13, huh?
Wow that's intense, 13 slaves, dead, just like that. Hey, I just wiped my ass, there's 50 dead slaves. Read the morning news, there's about 200 dead slaves. Slaves die a lot, that's the nature of being slaves. Why do you make such a big deal out of it? They serve their purpose and they wear out, like any other product.
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Xiro Taunt
Minmatar Lesbos Logistics
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Posted - 2010.04.02 01:14:00 -
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Many claim to be saving lives. This would be the case on both sides. I do not see this as black and white, rather as many shades of grey. And some are much darker than others. Indeed the newcomers to the area other than Ushra'Khan have no mission other than to kill it would seem.
You seem to think I am some appologist for CVA when they clearly enslave my people. And you would be surprised how little blood there is on my hands, although I will agree that none of use can avoid the death which fills our systems.
But even the foolish can see that Providence has fallen into even darker times, especially in at least one corner.
As for the purpose of my broadcast here, I simply stated facts. You may make what you wish of this, political or otherwise.
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Arnulf Ogunkoya
Minmatar The Causality
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Posted - 2010.04.02 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Karn Mithralia An obvious front of a known Sev3rance troll puts 13 slaves in a unarmed T1 frigate, then dies to reds he knew would be between him and empire and then blames the people who blew him up and U'K while he is at it?
There is only one person to blame for these deaths and thats the idiot who started this thread. Anyone who blames such a blatant (and irresponsible) set-up on anyone other than the OP needs their head read.
Um, not to validate the OP's point in any way but I think you need to get your eyes tested Mr Mithralia (never having met you properly calling you Karn seems overly familiar). As far as I can tell both this lady, and the aforementioned Sev3rance troll are female. At least they are using female bodies at present.
But coming back to the main point. If I where going to be running slaves to freedom through the Providence warzone I would definitely think to mention the fact to Ushra'Khan. Given freeing slaves is what they are about why wouldn't I? This leads me to doubt the original claim. Regards,
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Xiro Taunt
Minmatar Lesbos Logistics
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Posted - 2010.04.02 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Arnulf Ogunkoya
Originally by: Karn Mithralia An obvious front of a known Sev3rance troll puts 13 slaves in a unarmed T1 frigate, then dies to reds he knew would be between him and empire and then blames the people who blew him up and U'K while he is at it?
There is only one person to blame for these deaths and thats the idiot who started this thread. Anyone who blames such a blatant (and irresponsible) set-up on anyone other than the OP needs their head read.
Um, not to validate the OP's point in any way but I think you need to get your eyes tested Mr Mithralia (never having met you properly calling you Karn seems overly familiar). As far as I can tell both this lady, and the aforementioned Sev3rance troll are female. At least they are using female bodies at present.
But coming back to the main point. If I where going to be running slaves to freedom through the Providence warzone I would definitely think to mention the fact to Ushra'Khan. Given freeing slaves is what they are about why wouldn't I? This leads me to doubt the original claim.
Well thank you. I was indeed born female, and unlike one Xina Tutor I even prefer the company of men.
Interestingly of late I have seen very few Ushra'Kan in the area I have been flying, rather I see only handfuls of the other new residents. So there seemed little point in contacting then, and indeed, as I have said I was awaiting transfer and was unsure of exact arrival times. Aside from that, I am certain the local spy netwrk was well ahead of me in any case.
But if nothing else this incident has made it clear why I fly in the area and Ushra'Khan pilots will be acutely aware of my activities and cargo. So I wonder if this means I can expect no further issues. I will pilot myself as much as possible, so we shall see.
But be assured that I am slave to no-one, and that includes Ushra'Khan. I am now master of my own fate and will indeed fly where I wish as I have done sine my first foray into space.
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Jakiin
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.04.02 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Xiro Taunt But if nothing else this incident has made it clear why I fly in the area and Ushra'Khan pilots will be acutely aware of my activities and cargo. So I wonder if this means I can expect no further issues.
You don't really understand the concept of -A- freedom, do you?
* Jakiin Torash Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
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Xiro Taunt
Minmatar Lesbos Logistics
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Posted - 2010.04.02 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin
Originally by: Xiro Taunt But if nothing else this incident has made it clear why I fly in the area and Ushra'Khan pilots will be acutely aware of my activities and cargo. So I wonder if this means I can expect no further issues.
You don't really understand the concept of -A- freedom, do you?
Indeed I do. Perhaps I was being a little too subtle here.
-A- freedom is not unlike the freedom Star Fraction attempts to legitamize.
More death.
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Stratio
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.02 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Stratio on 02/04/2010 13:16:00
Originally by: Xiro Taunt But if nothing else this incident has made it clear why I fly in the area and Ushra'Khan pilots will be acutely aware of my activities and cargo.
No, not really. All we really know is that you had slaves in your cargo.
I don't mean to sound harsh, but from my point of view: You may say they were being taken to freedom and that might even be true, but there is no way for us to know what you were intending to do with them. _____________________
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Dread Wings
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Posted - 2010.04.02 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 02/04/2010 13:57:36 Though it was misguided, I am able to see the courage in Xiro's actions...he took action to free Minmatar slaves where he saw inaction and complacency. It is unfortunate circumstances that have brought his actions to light, otherwise they would have continued in obscurity...but his actions should be seen as an example to all free Minmatar and thier allies. Yes, we have won the day and "our" freedom from the Amarr, but now the real work begins...the freeing of our brothers and sisters that remain in bondage and suffering at the hands of the Amarr and the slave traders. Xiro, your actions were foolish...even careless to say the least, but your courage and honorable intentions should be noted as well...at least you acted on behalf of our people. It may be cold comfort, but at least they died free.
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Iva Posavec
Posavec Innovations Takhar Matari
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Posted - 2010.04.05 05:07:00 -
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Xiro, if you are unable to transport freed slaves in a suitable manner then please don't bother. You were in a known war zone as a neutral party. You then decided to load passengers onto your unarmed and ill prepared ship, then losing the ship in an attack. What else do you expect to result from such actions. The blood of the people lost in that engagement are on your hands and your hands only. Also by losing your ship and passengers, then complaining about the parties involved here you are not helping yourself gain any sort of safe passage in future.
If you have the opportunity to free slaves then please let someone who is capable of getting them out of the area safely carry out any transportation required.
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Xiro Taunt
Minmatar Lesbos Logistics
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Posted - 2010.04.05 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Iva Posavec Xiro, if you are unable to transport freed slaves in a suitable manner then please don't bother. You were in a known war zone as a neutral party. You then decided to load passengers onto your unarmed and ill prepared ship, then losing the ship in an attack. What else do you expect to result from such actions. The blood of the people lost in that engagement are on your hands and your hands only. Also by losing your ship and passengers, then complaining about the parties involved here you are not helping yourself gain any sort of safe passage in future.
If you have the opportunity to free slaves then please let someone who is capable of getting them out of the area safely carry out any transportation required.
As I have stated repeatedly, I was not in control of the slaves at the time. They were in the care of a third party escorting them to me, which was unfortunate. I have made many expeditions into the area with a great deal of success, thankyou.
But really there are some points to clear up hear. The area in question is hardly a warzone. The war is well over, the previous occupants of the systems in question are long gone. Indeed even the new occupants are rarely seen in the times I pass though these systems.
And yes, I am a nuetral party. I have no interest in this conflict and am not allied with either side, both of which seem eager to use unnecessary violence. But at least my nuetrality was regonized for the most part by the previous occupants of systems such as KBP and XHQ.
And I wonder why you defend the likes of this sodalitas alliance. They appear to care nothing of the plight of providence slaves. Ushra'Khan at least proclaim that they fight for their people, even though I know there are those within their ranks who do not care. But as for these new occupants of the area, I see no mention of their stance at all.
In any case, due to the apparent 'instability' of the area and the fact that Providence will not recognize genuine nuetrality, slaves are now taking refuge in an undisclosed safe location within providence for the forseeable future. I will continue to ferry various supplies into these people as I can, and you can rest assured that the only lives at risk will be that of very valiant crews who are willing to make this risky journey.
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