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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1404
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Posted - 2012.07.05 16:57:00 -
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use a wormhole to enter system, log off with a covops cyno, have a guy reporting the contents of their intel channel, use a scout |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
257
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:02:00 -
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strenif wrote:I'm a 0.0 guy and I'm out here not because it's 'safer' (it isn't) but because the threats are clearly marked.
When I have to make a run to highsec I'm more nervous when I get then then when I'm flying through null. Anyone of the hundred people in local could be a suicide ganker or they could be a normal person. I equate the scenario to a solder being on the beaches of Normandy vs the streets of Baghdad. In the former, the bad guys are waring uniforms. The later the bad guys look like the noncombatants that surround you on a daily basis. Which do you think is safer and which do you think is less nerve wracking? Exactly this
I suppose the safety in all levels of EVE is the same: You can be shot anytime, anywhere, by anyone
But the perceived security is different across different areas in space. And for me at least, the perceived security is higher in nullsec than in highsec. There are also more perceived threats in highsec than nullsec
Basically what I'm saying is that you're all a massive bunch of pussies and REAL MEN with REAL BAWLS live in lowsec
You know I'm right and you're just jelly that you ain't a BAWS There should be a rather awesome pic here |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:10:00 -
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This notion of high sec being safer never fails to amuse me.
I'm my time in eve I've lived in stain, Insmother, cobalt edge. I've raided goon, test and many others. To this day my death and ship loses are still great than in 0.0.
Most alliance held space only has a few entties to it. Intel gate bubbles ......
Change the tune and find something else to spam forums with
Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
Orici Saraki
Orici Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:17:00 -
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Best Intel, Local Channel! |
Nostradamouse Riraille
Blackreach. SRS.
33
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:27:00 -
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Nah really... Local is easy mode.
But hey, if you don't want local, go in a wormhole. All I gotta say. |
baltec1
1589
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:33:00 -
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Copine Callmeknau wrote:
You know I'm right and you're just jelly that you ain't a BAWS
You have the same problem in high sec that I have. You are so used to neutrals being bad guys out to get you that you think everything is a threat. Truth is however that high sec is far safer. Just look at the mess in Delve. |
adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:33:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Copine Callmeknau wrote:While his ideas are derptarded, the basic premise that nullbearing is as safe or safer than hisec bearing is valid. do you say this from personal experience or are you just making nonsense up
This goon he mad, he very mad. Very stupid too. Ain't hard to probe out a WH that goes to null...
I poped into FA space the other day, man if that WH was not bubbled to **** and man if I did not see epic numbers of hulks mining...
Nullbears gona bear.
Not to mention the NAP going on. For this lowlife goon to say ANYTHING about risk is a JOKE. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1404
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:34:00 -
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COWARD GOON *posts behind NPC forum alt* |
Shidhe
The Babylon5 Consortuim
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:41:00 -
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Low sec!!! Actually make low sec worthwhile, relative to the relative security of both hi sec and 0.0. A major industry upgrade in EvE concentrating on the following will help significantly:
1) Making low sec relatively more profitable (can be done without increasing direct money inputs) 2) Making more extended supply chains so that goods have to be shipped further - including through low sec. 3) (Most obvious) Stop planetary interaction in Hi sec. 4) Start including planetary defense and blockade running contracts and missions more generally, as part of the build up to Dust. 5) More stuff to build, requiring a larger variety of materials.
Good economy = population = targets = ship blown up = good economy = ....... |
TEABO BAGGINS
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:41:00 -
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Removing local won't wont solve much except making the few carebears willing to go there stay out all together. |
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Gun Gal
Dark Club
23
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:43:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Alaya Carrier wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:another NPC corp poster regales us with his well-informed and unbiased insights on nullsec His ideas might be very dumb, but they are not dumber than most 0.0 dwellers ideas. tell me the dumb ideas that normally come from 0.0 dwellers
As someone who has spent more years in nullsec than most have played, these are valid and good ideas.
Nullsec is the ultimate carebearland, I get more risk in low/highsec than ever in null.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
430
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:50:00 -
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If some Null sec space is safe it's because people living there make it safe, it's not given because you put some sov structure and pay concord bills with bananas.
Moon goo and sov need changes, seems ever one agrees on that, but telling null sec is safe dude you have no clue what you're talking about. Biggest difference with high sec is that we use standings and intell chans to create some safety and eventually spot big threats to deal with hose.
I've got some high sec toon and think it's quite nice except maybe how easy it is to gank mining barges, it's really stupid as situation, aside this I'd say high sec has far too many industry slots and not enough market taxes but everything else is +/- cool.
Instead of whining go there with a couple friends to see how safe it is and have some fun. brb |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1233
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:52:00 -
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Gun Gal wrote:I get more risk in low/highsec than ever in null.
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
"guys it's far more risky to afk mine in Sobaseki during Hulkageddon or to autopilot my officer fit Nightmare through gates in hisec than it is to rat in a T2 fit Tengu in nullsec"
i do love all of the hiseccers talking about how nullsec is too safe yet they stay in hisec because, apparently, they enjoy living on ~the edge~ under concord protection a rogue goon |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
263
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:59:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Copine Callmeknau wrote:While his ideas are derptarded, the basic premise that nullbearing is as safe or safer than hisec bearing is valid. do you say this from personal experience or are you just making nonsense up
...even if he doesn't I can. Much of what he is saying is true. though I'm not sure I like my semi-permanant structures losing even more defenses as suggested, I would really like some changes to local chat. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1151
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:00:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Gun Gal wrote:I get more risk in low/highsec than ever in null. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha"guys it's far more risky to afk mine in Sobaseki during Hulkageddon or to autopilot my officer fit Nightmare through gates in hisec than it is to rat in a T2 fit Tengu in nullsec" i do love all of the hiseccers talking about how nullsec is too safe yet they stay in hisec because, apparently, they enjoy living on ~the edge~ under concord protection Yeah, I always... wondered about that.
I think it's because they can't get into the nullsec coalitions that are safe. Well I'm sure you can try and join a renter in the Delve areas, but their sov is going ~fast~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:02:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Gun Gal wrote:I get more risk in low/highsec than ever in null. i do love all of the hiseccers talking about how nullsec is too safe yet they stay in hisec because, apparently, they enjoy living on ~the edge~ under concord protection
Truth is, they'd rather join your alliance for protection, but more people might cause an overflow error and permanently break the game. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3811
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:05:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:another NPC corp poster regales us with his well-informed and unbiased insights on nullsec
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3811
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:06:00 -
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Alaya Carrier wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:another NPC corp poster regales us with his well-informed and unbiased insights on nullsec His ideas might be very dumb, but they are not dumber than most 0.0 dwellers ideas.
Richard Desturned wrote:another NPC corp poster regales us with his well-informed and unbiased insights on nullsec
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8381
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:09:00 -
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Yes, let's roll back the CONCORD buff from three years agoGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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TotalCareBear
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:13:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Gun Gal wrote:I get more risk in low/highsec than ever in null. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha"guys it's far more risky to afk mine in Sobaseki during Hulkageddon or to autopilot my officer fit Nightmare through gates in hisec than it is to rat in a T2 fit Tengu in nullsec" i do love all of the hiseccers talking about how nullsec is too safe yet they stay in hisec because, apparently, they enjoy living on ~the edge~ under concord protection
You are correct, afking in Sobaseki gates is safer than afking in Tenal belts, but when ratting the risk is about the same.
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:If some Null sec space is safe it's because people living there make it safe, it's not given because you put some sov structure and pay concord bills with bananas.
Moon goo and sov need changes, seems ever one agrees on that, but telling null sec is safe dude you have no clue what you're talking about. Biggest difference with high sec is that we use standings and intell chans to create some safety and eventually spot big threats to deal with hose.
I've got some high sec toon and think it's quite nice except maybe how easy it is to gank mining barges, it's really stupid as situation, aside this I'd say high sec has far too many industry slots and not enough market taxes but everything else is +/- cool.
Instead of whining go there with a couple friends to see how safe it is and have some fun.
You make it safe, thanks to the game mechanics. Local gives immunity to individual ships. JB/JF/Capitals give you far easier access to quick and safe logistics, allowing you to run all the infrastructure, which in turn makes it really tedious(also non-rewarding) to attack that huge infrastructure.
Now, you can argue that local has always been this way and the game is built around it, but POS grinding was really bad even before JB/JF/Capital hauling, and this made it only worse.
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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
172
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:13:00 -
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ITT: Goons getting trolled by an obvious goon alt OP.
Eve comes full circle.
Also, dicks. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
257
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:26:00 -
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Shidhe wrote: Low sec!!! Actually make low sec worthwhile, relative to the relative security of both hi sec and 0.0. A major industry upgrade in EvE concentrating on the following will help significantly:
1) Making low sec relatively more profitable (can be done without increasing direct money inputs) 2) Making more extended supply chains so that goods have to be shipped further - including through low sec. 3) (Most obvious) Stop planetary interaction in Hi sec. 4) Start including planetary defense and blockade running contracts and missions more generally, as part of the build up to Dust. 5) More stuff to build, requiring a larger variety of materials.
Good economy = population = targets = ship blown up = good economy = ....... LOL 'make low sec worthwhile' I'll make a bil a day easy in lowsec, no sweat. How much more worthwhile do you want it to get?
If you aren't making money in lowsec, you don't really know how to play EVE
edit: How to make EVE awesomer 30sec delay on local in nullsec Give low sec gate guns a sig resolution, so they do relatively less damage to frigs/cruisers, but relatively more to BS. Allow bombs Allow boomerang in hisec again There should be a rather awesome pic here |
baltec1
1590
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:38:00 -
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TotalCareBear wrote:
You make it safe, thanks to the game mechanics. Local gives immunity to individual ships. JB/JF/Capitals give you far easier access to quick and safe logistics, allowing you to run all the infrastructure, which in turn makes it really tedious(also non-rewarding) to attack that huge infrastructure.
Now, you can argue that local has always been this way and the game is built around it, but POS grinding was really bad even before JB/JF/Capital hauling, and this made it only worse.
Again, look at the burning land that is Delve and its crumbling infastructure. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4256
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Posted - 2012.07.06 08:15:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:another NPC corp poster regales us with his well-informed and unbiased insights on nullsec another nullbear with nothing usefull to say i do love it when hisec miners talk about "nullbears" i wonder, what defines a "nullbear"
A player who, unlike hi-sec bears, has all four of the neurons required to react when a hostile makes his presence apparent. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1153
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Posted - 2012.07.06 08:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:TotalCareBear wrote:
You make it safe, thanks to the game mechanics. Local gives immunity to individual ships. JB/JF/Capitals give you far easier access to quick and safe logistics, allowing you to run all the infrastructure, which in turn makes it really tedious(also non-rewarding) to attack that huge infrastructure.
Now, you can argue that local has always been this way and the game is built around it, but POS grinding was really bad even before JB/JF/Capital hauling, and this made it only worse.
Again, look at the burning land that is Delve and its crumbling infastructure. Well people have to undock in order to make it really tedious. If they don't, then well Titans and Dreadnaughts are shockingly good at levelling big things that don't move.
All hail supercapital proliteration !
A major alliance may have as many as four titans ! That's why the CFC has like goodness known how many major alliances that we have I have no idea how many Titans. And there's Honeybadgers, goodness... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1153
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Posted - 2012.07.06 08:18:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:i do love it when hisec miners talk about "nullbears"
i wonder, what defines a "nullbear" A player who, unlike hi-sec bears, has all four of the neurons required to react when a hostile makes his presence apparent. 1) See Hostile in local 2) Pull drones (if necessary) 3) Initiate warp to (safe spot/POS/etc) 4) Report hostile in intel channel
Wow, that does fit in 4. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1551
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Posted - 2012.07.06 08:34:00 -
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TotalCareBear wrote: Blah Blah Blah....
Stop posting.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1153
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Posted - 2012.07.06 08:36:00 -
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TotalCareBear wrote:You make it safe, thanks to the game mechanics. So the players make it safe, because the game mechanics make it safe.
Nice. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
860
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:TotalCareBear wrote:
Someone, who smackstalks highsec players, yet wants the "sandbox" to be sized to their needs and doing that while game mechanics prevent risk in 0.0.
I see Delve is awash with risk free play.
There is no Delve war. All nullsec pilots are quietly mining and ratting their way to their first trillion isk while their alts milk technetium from a giant cow in the sky and offer it up as tribute to their alliance gods. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
144
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:12:00 -
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TotalCareBear wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:TotalCareBear wrote:Someone, who smackstalks highsec players, yet wants the "sandbox" to be sized to their needs and doing that while game mechanics prevent risk in 0.0. the game mechanics allow me to shoot literally anybody i want in nullsec without some arbitrary time window in which I have to kill them before I'm popped by ridiculously overpowered peacekeepers ergo, nullsec is actually risky 1. Goons mine 0.0 in hulks. 2. Neutral/red jumps into system. 3. Goons warp to pos/ss/station. What is the counter? In 0.0 you can use local for 100% perfect defense, in highsec you cannot. Keep telling yourself stories about arbitrary time windows, fact is 0.0 hulk safer than in highsec.
It's called a awoxer alt. It works quite the charm. |
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