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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.04.08 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: rubico1337
Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler What would they charge him with? Use of inapproapriate language?
Thank you! Yeah, I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a friendly, caring military instead of a lethal one...wouldn't you? Who cares if we lose thousands of lives because we don't like killing? We're nice!
/sarcasm
back up your own arguments that have been shown to be delusional rather than attempting to derail it by piggybacking on someone else using ****tly placed sarcasim/strawman, or go back from the fox news hole from which you came
I've already backed up my arguments. Nothing more to say. Guilt by association is part of the ROE, and any collaborators helping the targets in any way are considered legal targets.
You're confusing morality with legality. I'm not saying it's a good thing that this happened...all I'm saying is that the soldiers did their job and followed the ROE to the letter. War's an ugly thing.
Nice Feaux News joke. You know nothing about me. Don't get ****y because I'm remaining objective and not being overcome with outrage by watching an edited and biased video designed specifically for that purpose.
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.04.08 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: rubico1337 Edited by: rubico1337 on 08/04/2010 13:51:59
Originally by: Astenion You know, you bring up all excellent points. I think this whole situation was just one big cluster**** from the beginning.
it was, im not saying that anyone went in there expecting to kill civilians. war is a really ****ing ugly thing. good men when pressed and in the heat of the moment can make rash split second decisions that determine who lives or who dies. perfectly good people can do evil things when put in bad situations and not even realize it
hopefully something good can come of this
This is what I'm saying. It's war. I know of no other situation more stressful than warfare. Sometimes people do things on instinct and they'll have to live with that the rest of their lives. We're not machines, although it would be cool if we were.
Also, this happens ALL THE TIME. So many civilians have been caught in crossfires or mistakenly shot in this war. This is just the tip of the iceberg. This will hopefully show people that there are no good guys/bad guys anymore. The American people are typically too eager to jump at warfare because they really don't know what it's like. I guarantee you the soldiers do. I can honestly say that no one hates war more than a member of the military, and if he doesn't, he's out of his friggin' mind and needs to be locked up.
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Foodpimp
Gallente Heaven's Harvesters Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.08 14:03:00 -
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Hey guys...
This is in regards to the "Light hearted" way in which soldiers react to the deaths of their fellow human beings. Believe it or not, most of these guys that say these things are not as callous as you may think. Keeping it light or making jokes about it is a coping mechanism. My mother was a nurse for 35 years before she passed away, and I remember as a kid her and some of the other nurses joking about the death of some old guy. I was a little unnerved by it. Asking her why they were joking about it...she said that if they didn't laugh about the people dying...that they'd break down. It is the only way for a lot of them to cope. My father said the same thing about when he was in Vietnam. I believe that I have the capacity to take another's life in war...but I can guarantee I'd have nightmares about it later.
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.04.08 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Foodpimp Hey guys...
This is in regards to the "Light hearted" way in which soldiers react to the deaths of their fellow human beings. Believe it or not, most of these guys that say these things are not as callous as you may think. Keeping it light or making jokes about it is a coping mechanism. My mother was a nurse for 35 years before she passed away, and I remember as a kid her and some of the other nurses joking about the death of some old guy. I was a little unnerved by it. Asking her why they were joking about it...she said that if they didn't laugh about the people dying...that they'd break down. It is the only way for a lot of them to cope. My father said the same thing about when he was in Vietnam. I believe that I have the capacity to take another's life in war...but I can guarantee I'd have nightmares about it later.
This is also true. People are living day by day there and are just trying to do their time and go home. It's a coping mechanism they use because if they didn't, they'd probably go crazy. Every single day they have to go outside the wire and get shot at, and the anticipation is sometimes worse than the actual fire. Imagine living a life where everywhere you go, people want to kill you and you can't tell the difference between them and civilians until it's too late.
There's a reason so many veterans come back with PTSD and why some even commit suicide.
The only good thing I can see coming out of this is a bigger aversion to war within the American people. Hopefully it will take effect and we can begin a change in society.
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rubico1337
Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.04.08 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Foodpimp Hey guys...
This is in regards to the "Light hearted" way in which soldiers react to the deaths of their fellow human beings. Believe it or not, most of these guys that say these things are not as callous as you may think. Keeping it light or making jokes about it is a coping mechanism. My mother was a nurse for 35 years before she passed away, and I remember as a kid her and some of the other nurses joking about the death of some old guy. I was a little unnerved by it. Asking her why they were joking about it...she said that if they didn't laugh about the people dying...that they'd break down. It is the only way for a lot of them to cope. My father said the same thing about when he was in Vietnam. I believe that I have the capacity to take another's life in war...but I can guarantee I'd have nightmares about it later.
yeah, i agree. the way people cope with fighting in wars it to de-humanize the other side. your no longer killing another human being, you are eliminating a threat, you bet the other guys are doing the exact same thing.
there is a point where it goes from dehumanization for coping to the point where you dont see the enemy as human beings. thats when perfectly normal people do terribly evil things without realizing it. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. |
Skippermonkey
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Posted - 2010.04.08 14:31:00 -
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Everyone knows if you RR a criminal you get flagged too...
Doesnt take CONCORD long to show up
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.08 14:40:00 -
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36182383/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/#36182090
Quote: An investigation of the shooting found that the crew of the two Apache helicopters at the scene might have erroneously identified photographer's cameras as weapons, NBC News Pentagon correspondent Jim Miklaszewski reported.
According to U.S. officials, the pilots arrived to find a group of men approaching the area of a battle with what looked to be AK-47s slung over their shoulders and at least one rocket-propelled grenade.
The investigation later concluded that what was thought to be an RPG was really a long-range photography lens; likewise, the camera looked like an AK-47.
Let's see what else they come up woth
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.04.08 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Kitimortoa on 08/04/2010 14:43:47
Originally by: rubico1337
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Thing is though, it was an RPG.
actually... it wasn't "The investigation later concluded that what was thought to be an RPG was really a long-range photography lens; likewise, the camera looked like an AK-47."
Nice cherry picking, it was referring to the guy at the corner of the building pointing his camera at the humvee, not the big long object in the gif posted in this thread that turned out to infact be an RPG.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.08 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kitimortoa
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Thing is though, it was an RPG.
actually... it wasn't "The investigation later concluded that what was thought to be an RPG was really a long-range photography lens; likewise, the camera looked like an AK-47."
So there was no-one taking aim with an RPG (claimed several times above by others)/ And where does it say that they did find an RPG in the end?
Nice cherry picking, it was referring to the guy at the corner of the building pointing his camera at the humvee, not the big long object in the gif posted in this thread that turned out to infact be an RPG.
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Kirex
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.08 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: rubico1337 Edited by: rubico1337 on 08/04/2010 13:47:08
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Thing is though, it was an RPG.
actually... it wasn't "The investigation later concluded that what was thought to be an RPG was really a long-range photography lens; likewise, the camera looked like an AK-47."
Good job ignoring the official report conducted by the Army that has been linked three times in this thread. The quote you posted was in regards to what the gunner thought was an RPG when the camera man was sneaking around the corner and aiming what appeared to be a long cylindrical tube at the Humvee from that angle. However, when the military arrived on the scene they did discover TWO RPGs loaded and ready to fire, a few RPG rounds, and an AK-47. For the fourth time, here is the official report. (http://www.scribd.com/doc/29487634/Centcom-FOIA) Read pages 11-15, 35-36, 38, and 41. So, yes, they did have weapons.
Quote: he said they had fired their weapons (which they clearly did not, maybe because they had nothing to fire with)
If you listen you can here someone say they were taking fire from 1oclock. We don't know who said this but it couldn't have been the helicopter since they were in the air, and not the Humvee since the group of men were 3Oclock from them. For all we know it could have been radio chatter a mile away, but we definitely know the Apache didn't say it. The helicopter did say they were firing when he saw the reporter hiding behind the corner then get up and point the longlense of the camera at the Humvee. The Apache mistook this as a RPG gunner pointing the RPG at the tank and getting ready to fire.
Quote: there had been no signs of hostile action from the people in the van
If you watched the CNN interview, insurgents were reported to be moving insurgents in and out of the AO with vehicles. The ret. general said in that situation, the vehicles would be classified as instruments of war because they was being used to assist the insurgents. The Apache thought the van also belonged to the insurgents and they were picking up the wounded and getting the weapons. I personally don't think that's a too far fetched assumption.
As for the "bad language", as you said yourself "it is much less emotional to push a button". That true, he is detached from the situation, but is it his fault? Its his JOB to kill people. What do you want him to do? Break down and cry? From his POV, he just killed a group of insurgents armed with AKS and RPGs that were about to fire on a Humvee and kill US soldiers. He probably felt kinda like a mini hero. Insurgents have been killing soldiers in Iraq for over 4 years. When you live in that kind of environment you want your enemy to die, because they sure as hell want you to die. In this case, the helicopter thought the people he killed were the same people that have been killing soldiers in that city for that last few months, and maybe he's half right because normal civilians don't take a walk down the street with loaded RPGs. And as Foodpimp said, many people cope with death and other tragedies by laughing, and these guys have been around a lot of death.
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Larkonis Trassler
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.04.08 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 08/04/2010 15:48:27
Originally by: rubico1337
actually... it wasn't "The investigation later concluded that what was thought to be an RPG was really a long-range photography lens; likewise, the camera looked like an AK-47."
Actually it was. I'm not disputing that the cameras were mistaken for weapons, however that particular object in that .gif was later confirmed to be an RPG. Suck it up.
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he said they had fired their weapons (which they clearly did not, maybe because they had nothing to fire with) he said that they had AKs and RPGs (which they did not)
if it was a mistake. i can understand. fog of war, split second life or death decision. it was a ****ty call anyways and it went down hill from there
Deeeeeeeerrrrrrrppppp. Already disproven. Check the sources.
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a non-marked vehicle in an urban warzone, does not say enemy-combatant last time i checked
the ROE im sure says "dont shoot people who are not a threat" please tell me how that van driver was a threat to that helicopter or solders on the ground, when there had been no signs of hostile action from the people in the van, no weapons seen... nothing that could be taken as threatening. the gunner LIED to his commander. they clearly did not pick up any weapons
As the truck is arriving it is mentioned that it is there to possibly pick up weapons and wounded, with the crew later saying they are picking up wounded when asking for permission to engage. They certainly don't lie. As I said, it rubs me the wrong way too, but if you read the report it was still within the ROE they were operating under at the time. ROE can change on a day by day, area by area even mission by mission basis, you have no idea what rules the forces in that area, on that day were operating under.
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the thing is, he never picked up a gun(that didnt exist), he was clearly just crawling. the gunner lit him up with the guys who tried to put him in the van. he lied to get permission to engage. "comon lets shoot!" secondly, id consider a couple 30 cal rounds going though you to be quite "incapacitating"
No, he didn't pick up a weapon, hence why he wasn't 'lit up' immeadiately.
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it shows his state of mind and complete lack of professionalism, and the detached mindest that people get when they are over a mile away from the person they are killing. it puts his actions into perspective. solders use grim and dark humor to cope, or treat it as something its not(a game) to cope this is a sad reality of war. this goes way beyond this. the fact is that in this situation you probably had a trigger happy 20 something who trained for shooting out of a helicopter and wanted to shoot somethign for the sake of shooting (thus the "all you have to do is pick up the damn gun"), he is detached from the magnitude of his actions, to him(emotionally) its just pushing some buttons and dust flying a mile away and people dropping dead, he lied to a commander to get fire approval. to him it is a game. it is much less emotional to push a button, launch a nuke, and kill millions, than it is to strangle one person with your bear hands. when you take delight in killing someone no matter who they are there is something wrong with you
I imagine I'd have to become pretty detached if my job involved shredding people with a 30mm cannon and watching it through a magnified monitor. I do like your ability to analyse someone's state of mind by listening to a crackly audio track. Given that he thought he was engaging insurgents who were threatening his comrades I think I can maybe forgive him for sounding a bit keen to kill them.
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.04.08 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz So there was no-one taking aim with an RPG (claimed several times above by others)/ And where does it say that they did find an RPG in the end?
See above.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.04.08 16:04:00 -
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Uh ... how is this not political?
You've got the people who don't like the war attacking the US Military.
You've got the people who support the war defending them.
Now to make my position perfectly clear - Hey All you Jack Asses running your mouths about things you know NOTHING about - have you seen the videos of us shooting our OWN troops? It happens. People screw up.
As to everyone using the fact that people screw up to justify attacking the war - you're morons. At least we are killing innocent people - by accident. Our opponents kill innocent people ON PURPOSE. If you can't see the difference - go check your brain - because I can tell you it needs replacing.
As to this material being leaked - those who leak it and those who show it - should all go to jail.
Were people trying to cover something up? Well - maybe they were. If you look at all the stink that's gone on because of this - and the way our enemies are using it against us - hell yes it should be covered up. And - if you can't see the logic in that - you're an idiot and have no reason to expect anyone to pay attention to anything you say.
That's my political opinion - and I don't much give a damn what anyone else thinks. I'm right and if you disagree with me - you're wrong.
Lock this thread.
Lock this thread.
Lock this thread.
Oh ... lock this thread.
Or - is it only the threads that disagree with the Politics of the CCP Moderators that get locked?
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.04.08 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk You've got the people who support the war defending them.
I don't support the war, but I'm definitely defending the actions of the soldiers involved :P
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Skippermonkey
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Posted - 2010.04.08 16:23:00 -
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Fact of the matter is this;
When in a warzone as press, dress accordingly.
Do not dress identically to combatants who have been attacking troops for the past few hours.
Certainly do not stand in the middle of a crowd of combatants in the open with Troops nearby and an Apache in the air.
Being embedded with Coalition troops is one thing, but being embedded with insurgents who are actively attacking Coalition troops in your presence is just plain stupid.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.04.08 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kitimortoa
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk You've got the people who support the war defending them.
I don't support the war, but I'm definitely defending the actions of the soldiers involved :P
What? What? Don't you know that the deepest - darkest - depths of hell are reserved for traitors to the cause?
If you don't - you're little anti war friends will inform you shortly ...
This is a political Thread! You're not allowed to try and be reasonable!!!!
What are you thinking?
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NotActuallyFrench
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Posted - 2010.04.08 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
As to this material being leaked - those who leak it and those who show it - should all go to jail.
Were people trying to cover something up? Well - maybe they were. If you look at all the stink that's gone on because of this - and the way our enemies are using it against us - hell yes it should be covered up. And - if you can't see the logic in that - you're an idiot and have no reason to expect anyone to pay attention to anything you say.
In no way should stuff like this be covered up. If all this is covered up, how can anyone make any sensible decisions about the war? Leaks of covered up material help keep things happening how things should, people have every right to know how their country's military are acting in another country on their behalf.
If you think stuff should be covered up just because it causes a "stink": Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk you're an idiot and have no reason to expect anyone to pay attention to anything you say.
If it causes a stink it should be released
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Wuff Wuff
The Oliver Postgate Appreciation Club
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Posted - 2010.04.08 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk That's my political opinion - and I don't much give a damn what anyone else thinks. I'm right and if you disagree with me - you're wrong.
Why do you have to be such an ass? Thank God you didn't come in at the start of this thread and get the thing locked. We've been having a really good discussion thank you that I'm glad to have seen and been a part of it. No-one wants to discuss things with people who are not willing in the slightest to take on board anyone else's opinion or be open to having their point of view challenged because it is an utterly pointless conversation. I'm 99% sure you're just trolling and think for some reason if you get the last word then you're right. I'm sorry, anybody with a modi****of intelligence is now in a position to read the whole thread and make up their own minds, fail troll IMO.
I think this thread probably has run it's course and I want to thank the mods for keeping it open when under the strictness of the rules it probably could have been locked a while ago. This is what good modding is all about.
"Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men." as my Dad is fond of saying.
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Bodrul
Caldari Polaris Rising Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.08 17:07:00 -
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why doesnt this shock me? the the SUN was able to get the video of the american pilots who bombed british forces and was laughing his head off and gloating, then only to go damn after finding out its friendly fire.
This video isnt shocking considering most the world knows the americans are trigger happy. shoot first think later :/
those people that are saying this is war and this is what we should expect get your heads sorted.
this whole war is jokes
its gone from Imaginari WMDS to removing a dicator which the US goverment happily slept with when they attacked Iran, to Liberating the IRAQi people.
This is a wounderfull way to win the hearts and minds of the IRAQis' ........
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Jago Kain
Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.04.08 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jago Kain on 08/04/2010 18:52:58
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Uh ... how is this not political?
Perhaps because it's about a war crime (or not depending on your point of view) not about the reasons for the war itself.
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk As to this material being leaked - those who leak it and those who show it - should all go to jail.
Were people trying to cover something up? Well - maybe they were. If you look at all the stink that's gone on because of this - and the way our enemies are using it against us - hell yes it should be covered up. And - if you can't see the logic in that - you're an idiot and have no reason to expect anyone to pay attention to anything you say.
Needless to say I disagree with this. Lets have evrything out in the open and stop all the skulking about. How can drawing attention to criminal behaviour be a crime?
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk That's my political opinion - and I don't much give a damn what anyone else thinks. I'm right and if you disagree with me - you're wrong.
Lock this thread.
Lock this thread.
Lock this thread.
Oh ... lock this thread.
Or - is it only the threads that disagree with the Politics of the CCP Moderators that get locked?
Nice attempt to politicise a thread (and thereby achieve your aim of having it locked) because you happen to disagree with some of the opinions posted.
Obvious tactic is fail tactic.
edit to state the blindingly obvious: This is not a political thread; it's a humanitarian issue one.
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Ana'Lingus
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Posted - 2010.04.08 20:41:00 -
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Correction: It WAS a humanitarian issue being discussed in the thread. It picked up political undertones and now it's just turning into a flamefest.
Just lock the damned thread already.
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.08 20:46:00 -
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Oh applebabe oh applebabe, where art thou applebabe.
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Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.04.08 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz They don't get paid to be rambo, they get paid to be there and help the locals reconstruct society. Especially pilots, carrying so much firepower over densely inhabited areas should be the most reluctant to use it.
bzzzt, while there are certainly reconstruction efforts and missions, that is definitely not the mission that particular unit was assigned to, they were engaged in active fight against the enemy, which part of that do you not understand? And way to go on trying to imply the pilots were firing indiscriminately, they identified a threat near friendly forces, received clearance to fire, and then neutralized the target, simple as that.
Originally by: Sokratesz Might want to check ROE on that.
I certainly don't need you to tell me what my ROE were, as I actually had one and knows damn well what it was. And just to let you know, no ROE in a warzone will ever have a clause that prevents you from defending yourself until you're shot at, but then you'd already know that if you know what you're talking about.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.09 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Uh ... how is this not political?
You've got the people who don't like the war attacking the US Military.
You've got the people who support the war defending them.
Now to make my position perfectly clear - Hey All you Jack Asses running your mouths about things you know NOTHING about - have you seen the videos of us shooting our OWN troops? It happens. People screw up.
As to everyone using the fact that people screw up to justify attacking the war - you're morons. At least we are killing innocent people - by accident. Our opponents kill innocent people ON PURPOSE. If you can't see the difference - go check your brain - because I can tell you it needs replacing.
As to this material being leaked - those who leak it and those who show it - should all go to jail.
Were people trying to cover something up? Well - maybe they were. If you look at all the stink that's gone on because of this - and the way our enemies are using it against us - hell yes it should be covered up. And - if you can't see the logic in that - you're an idiot and have no reason to expect anyone to pay attention to anything you say.
That's my political opinion - and I don't much give a damn what anyone else thinks. I'm right and if you disagree with me - you're wrong.
Lock this thread.
Lock this thread.
Lock this thread.
Oh ... lock this thread.
Or - is it only the threads that disagree with the Politics of the CCP Moderators that get locked?
Will I agree with most of what you're saying, I doubt anyone in this thread supports this war. But taking it out on soldiers doing their job isn't fair. And it puts the focus on the wrong thing.
The problem is with the circumstances that make it possible for stuff like this to happen. AKA the war itself, not with the soldiers fighting it.
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Posted - 2010.04.09 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys But taking it out on soldiers doing their job isn't fair. And it puts the focus on the wrong thing.
The problem is with the circumstances that make it possible for stuff like this to happen. AKA the war itself, not with the soldiers fighting it.
WTF!? The focus IS on the soldiers doing the wrong thing! Did you actually watch the video with sounds on!?
No, the problem is NOT that with the circumstances that make it possible for stuff like this to happen, this thread is here because people believe that stuff like this SHOULDN'T happen. We're not chimps, we don't go around tearing out people's organs or brainlessly killing them and then saying it's normal in war. We're all human beings! We have rules of engagement, crimes against humanity, war crimes, we're living in 2010 ffs. It is only apalling that American war criminals can't be trialed like the rest of the world.
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Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.04.09 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: VanNostrum ...We have rules of engagement...
correct, and the pilots followed it, so what's your problem?
Oh yea, I forgot, your problem is that you haven't bothered to look at the facts and decided to talk out of your ass.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.09 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sobach
Originally by: VanNostrum ...We have rules of engagement...
correct, and the pilots followed it, so what's your problem?
In case of the first group of men it was questionable, the van, a downright violation.
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Posted - 2010.04.09 23:46:00 -
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and just to everyone who was shouting "van wasn't marked" or the reporters haven't been wearing something to actually show that they are from the press. you think that would have kept the gunner from going all crazyhorse on them? i don't think so. he still would have reported 5-6 AK's (please what? was a lie) and RPG. if that's the case, then everyone could be running around with a PRESS printed on their chest and every vehicle could have a red crescent moon to keep the invaders from shooting them
at the end everything that counts is what you achieved through an action. and what do we have here? dead civilians, dead reporters, children who will grow up without daddy because crazyhorse felt trigger happy and i bet they won't feel any friendship towards the USA once they're grown up. besides that this incident, the video and mainly the audio will serve as a very good recruitment tool for the insurgency/terroristic organizations to get some new and young suicide bombers.
all in all, a big fail. but keep defending it
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adfadfadfawe
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Posted - 2010.04.10 02:06:00 -
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Edited by: adfadfadfawe on 10/04/2010 02:06:39 Whoopsie:
http://gawker.com/5513068/the-full-version-of-the-wikileaks-video-is-missing-30-minutes-of-footage
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Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.04.10 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Sobach
Originally by: VanNostrum ...We have rules of engagement...
correct, and the pilots followed it, so what's your problem?
In case of the first group of men it was questionable, the van, a downright violation.
I'd take the word/report of Centcom over a lol-flowchart
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