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Coin Coin
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Posted - 2010.04.07 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: Coin Coin on 07/04/2010 02:35:31 Hello! Having a future project, I would like to learn more about the carrier. I can fly the Chimera, the Archon and the Nidhoggur. The problem is that the bonus of its carrier are interesting and I can not choose ... (I have no problem with skills to fly well) That 's why I post on forums is to learn a little bit more about his ships for support medium / large gang in low/0.0 (advantage and disadvantage). Thank you for future answers
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Poses
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Posted - 2010.04.07 02:52:00 -
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hurm... i smell a bought character
never the less, chimera is weakest, then in my personal opinion the archon and nid are tied for best, though i think popular consensus is that the archon is better then the nid due to its survivability.
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Nuadara
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Posted - 2010.04.07 02:53:00 -
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http://www.banealliance.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12646
basically, any of those ships should be fitted in a fashion similar to this one.
To ensure that you are always remembered for how awesome you are, put a few Estamel's modified invuls on it.
then, find the top belt of the nearest low security system with a decent active population
???
Profit!
see, carriers can be awesome, no matter which you choose!
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Coin Coin
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Posted - 2010.04.07 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Poses hurm... i smell a bought character
never the less, chimera is weakest, then in my personal opinion the archon and nid are tied for best, though i think popular consensus is that the archon is better then the nid due to its survivability.
Thanks for your response I want too to get opinion ^^ Why the Chimera are weak ? Because of the shield tank ? Fitting problem? On a the field,think you the primary is your local tank or your gang (remoting) ? A carrier is primary when ? At the end or at the start ? Many questions ^^'
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.04.07 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Coin Coin
Originally by: Poses hurm... i smell a bought character
never the less, chimera is weakest, then in my personal opinion the archon and nid are tied for best, though i think popular consensus is that the archon is better then the nid due to its survivability.
Thanks for your response I want too to get opinion ^^ Why the Chimera are weak ? Because of the shield tank ? Fitting problem? On a the field,think you the primary is your local tank or your gang (remoting) ? A carrier is primary when ? At the end or at the start ? Many questions ^^'
I lol'd.
Regarding high-sec mining:
Originally by: AmarrettoDiAmarr 3-4 million ISK/hr is perhaps .15 0r .20 US$/hr; not quite prison wages and you are around less honest people.
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Dalek Commander
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Posted - 2010.04.07 03:40:00 -
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What do you plan on using the carrier for?
Large scale fleet fights the Archon is prefered because of it has a superior tank, and a combo of remote armor and cap transfer.
If you want to rep pos's the Chimera in triage mode will get it done very well.
Nidhoggur does well in fleets, but often is primaried quickly because it doesn't have a strong tank.
If you want a good idea what a triage archon can do with small battleship fleets take a look at the Pantheon video on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXkTjr5B_Xk
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ShadowFire15
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Posted - 2010.04.07 05:52:00 -
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I thought chimeras had good tanks or does it just suck because it shield tanks and not armor? |
Last Wolf
Rage For Order
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Posted - 2010.04.07 06:05:00 -
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Chimeras are great carriers.
People really need to get out of the mentality that only remote armor reps are used in PvP. Oh no you don't! Incoming witty reply, ETA: 300 seconds! |
Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2010.04.07 08:44:00 -
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Just use > 2 Chimeras and a shield buffered fleet -> profit ^^
Armor tank is overrated... -
Save the missiles from the glowing blob :S
R ----------> * A --------> * V --------> * E -------> * N ---------> *
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2010.04.07 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nuadara http://www.banealliance.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12646
basically, any of those ships should be fitted in a fashion similar to this one.
This link make a strong case for NOT banning eBayers. -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog |
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Xtover
Suicide Kings
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Posted - 2010.04.07 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf Chimeras are great carriers.
People really need to get out of the mentality that only remote armor reps are used in PvP.
cap transfer chimera? or links?
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Poses
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Posted - 2010.04.07 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Denuo Secus Just use > 2 Chimeras and a shield buffered fleet -> profit ^^
Armor tank is overrated...
and yes, having to count on there being another of a specific ship in fleet is great! Cuz if there is one thing you can count on is a friend being around with another chimera. In fact, the thing i've said most frequently in alliance chat is 'damn you excellent chimera pilots totally willing to throw away your carrier. You need to log off and get some sleep or eat something, i know you are credit to alliance, but srsly its getting ridiculous'.
/sarcasm
The chimera is considered the weakest carrier for a few reasons
a) fewer shield tanking ships in the game, and fleets. There is a statistically significant disparity between the number of ships that can armor tank and shield tank, and as such not being able to rep ~ 60% of your fleet is kinda balls
b) difficult to fit into the 'carrier spider tank'. Since it is shield tanked, you are more or less relying on other Chimeras (which due to fitting issues rarely fit more then a few shield reps). And the occasional nid/thanny that had deviated from the 'cookie cutter' fit to have a shield rep.
c) Fitting issues, not enough CPU
d) not being able to rep the most common carriers (okay you CAN throw a shield rep on the armor tanking ship but it would be more efficient to add another armor rep)
due to the above reasons it has issues filling the 'carrier role' in fleets. 1) Rep allies 2) apply DPS
in that order is what a carrier is 'supposed to do'
Archon is widely considered the best since it can fit the best buffer, and most efficiently uses allies RR. Nid is next considered the best, since it gets a bonus to repping, allowing it to fill role 1) the best. Thanny is 3rd; kinda **** but it fits into the spider and fills role 2) a bit better then the rest. And by default the Chimera is the worst.
Triage, it can be used effectively (especially when repping a pos or something). But that isn't much fun, and you could argue that a triage nid is better in almost every way.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.04.07 15:43:00 -
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lol-theorycrafting...
1. Enemy see mixed carrier fleet, decides to primary one! 2. Enemy figures most carriers are armour-tanked and have more remote armour reps. 3. Enemy decides to primary Chimeras.
At this point in this case, the armour resist bonus of the Archon, and all remote armour reps, are useless. As it's expected that the Chimera will get primaried, your Nidhoggurs and Thanatosesii have shield transporters fitted. The Nidhoggur becomes the most useful carrier, while Archon pilots just sit there doing nothing.
Of course, once you run out of Chimeras, then all those shield transporters are also useless...
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Poses
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Posted - 2010.04.07 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III :stuffs lol:
i think you need to read ahead earlier in the thread when i said that the nid is the best carrier
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.04.07 16:12:00 -
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Oh I did. And I agree. But you also stated that the Archon is generally considered by others to be the best, but that's an opinion I've never been too comfortable with. As part of a fleet, anyway - I don't think anything else comes close to an Archon as a sole triage carrier supporting a BS gang?
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Poses
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Posted - 2010.04.07 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Oh I did. And I agree. But you also stated that the Archon is generally considered by others to be the best, but that's an opinion I've never been too comfortable with. As part of a fleet, anyway - I don't think anything else comes close to an Archon as a sole triage carrier supporting a BS gang?
yeah thats true, but at the same time there is the whole 'and how much repping is your pod doing when the archon is still in armor' argument...
as i said before i agree the nid is best, but i feel the need to play devils advocate for the sake of a balanced argument.
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Queue K'Umber
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Posted - 2010.04.07 16:28:00 -
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Damn, I wish I had me a Chimera.
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Warhammer X
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Posted - 2010.04.07 18:58:00 -
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Ugh after reading this post I'm starting 2 doubt my goal to be a chimera pilot. Initally I wanted to pilot a chimara because I find it to be the best looking carrier by far. But I had doubts as it is the only shield tanker. I got some serious reconsideration to do, perhapes a chiimera can be good if the entire fleet was made up of caldari ships?
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Coin Coin
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Posted - 2010.04.07 22:02:00 -
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Well, thanks a lot for yours reponses and commentarys about your opinion =) I will choose the Nidhoggur, her is a fit i have do ;
[Nidhoggur, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Capital Armor Repairer I Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Armor Explosive Hardener II Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Domination Warp Disruptor Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Shield Transporter I Drone Control Unit I Dark Blood Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Einherji x5 Dragonfly x5
What do you think guys ?
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LonTas 5
Minmatar United Citizens of EVE
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Posted - 2010.04.08 00:44:00 -
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Off- racial capital training= costly, annoying, takes forever= not that good. Get a race specific carrier, and remember: The primary of carriers is to support, not make your fighters make everything else go boom. Try fitting wit heavy drones and see where that takes you, kuz fighters r expensive! There's this new thing called a stasis webifier. You should really read about it before you buy that interceptor... |
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium Z.E.R.G
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Posted - 2010.04.08 01:43:00 -
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Drone Control Unit I
No. Bad. |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.08 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Queue K'Umber Damn, I wish I had me a Chimera.
CSM Iceland meeting minutes - READ THEM :D |
Coin Coin
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Posted - 2010.04.09 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: Coin Coin on 09/04/2010 01:33:07 Ok, thank you all for your advise. Do you have something to say about themselves fitting or vessel yet ?
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Poses
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Posted - 2010.04.09 03:43:00 -
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this is my fit...
[Nidhoggur, non-triage] Capital Armor Repairer I Capital Armor Repairer I Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Imperial Navy Capacitor Power Relay
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II ECCM - Ladar II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Imperial Navy Heavy Energy Neutralizer Large EMP Smartbomb II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
drones to taste, some people like putting more resist in lows, and some others like swapping the ECCM/sebo for something else but that's all personal taste
(the shield transfer is handy since it fires at the beginning of the rep cycle, as such you don't have people dying as often while waiting for the armor rep to fire at the end of its cycle)
combines well with capacitor implants 'squire' cc and cr
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.09 06:22:00 -
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That's a decent armor fit Poses but I'd get rid of one or both of the reps for another CPR or two, your cap isn't very strong and a your own tank won't save you from much.
CSM Iceland meeting minutes - READ THEM :D |
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