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Last Wolf
Rage For Order
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Posted - 2010.04.07 18:13:00 -
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I'll be able to fly one in 2 days, I can't seem to come up with a fit I like.
I need a fit for killing other inties, and one for tackling/scouting. Oh no you don't! Incoming witty reply, ETA: 300 seconds! |
Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.04.07 18:19:00 -
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Quote: [Crusader, I'm goin in!!] Heat Sink II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Small Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Gatling Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Gatling Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Gatling Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Energy Collision Accelerator I Small Energy Burst Aerator I
Stolen from Stuart Price.
I really can't say enough about how much I love this ship ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.07 18:47:00 -
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Just to fuel the rage in certain other threads I'll say use a thrasher to pop inties and a jaguar to do the tackling/scouting role. But otherwise yes, the sader is quite a nice dogfighter easily at the top of dogpile.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
CCP Shadow's Troll List. |
Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.04.07 19:14:00 -
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Thrasher has a lot harder time escaping from blobs and getting willing fights with frigates though :p ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Last Wolf
Rage For Order
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Posted - 2010.04.07 19:15:00 -
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Thats a nice fit, I'll have to train energy weapon rigging to level 3 for it to fit though. Oh no you don't! Incoming witty reply, ETA: 300 seconds! |
Mahke
Aeon Of Strife Discord.
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Posted - 2010.04.07 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Mahke on 07/04/2010 20:05:39
Originally by: Last Wolf Thats a nice fit, I'll have to train energy weapon rigging to level 3 for it to fit though.
well worth it.
IMO if you have fitting problems and don't want to plug in an implant or train required skills, going to meta 4 on the SAR gives you an extra one or two (forget which) powergrid which should easily be enough to get you under the limit.
edit: carry some amarr navy MF ammo along with the scorch. If you're applying damage to something fat and slow (say a BS) and don't need to worry about trouble keeping the other guy in range, 200 dps is rather nice.
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.04.08 00:23:00 -
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Credit to Kessah, I stole it from him first, then tweaked it for EXTRA GANK. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.04.08 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Terianna Eri on 08/04/2010 00:38:58
Originally by: Stuart Price Credit to Kessah, I stole it from him first, then tweaked it for EXTRA GANK.
I was actually thinking about going Kessah's route and putting a cap rig or maybe even two onto my next one when this one inevitably dies, since most of my fights end with me literally almost out of cap, to the point where if the other guy had fitted a small neut or even a small nos I'd have capped out and been dead... And I don't have a lot of buffer, both of my last fights (Crusader v. Rocket Crow and Crusader v. Crow and Taranis) have ended with me not only almost cap dead but with only 15-45% of hull left, so clearly losing much DPS would be bad too.
EDIT: also definitely carry some navy Multifrequency as well. If you're quick with changing ammo you can use it to get a little more damage on target even in ceptor fights (and in fact it made the difference between winning and dying against the rocket crow). ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Liang Nuren
The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.08 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri Stolen from Stuart Price.
Easily one of the best frig fitters I've met. I wish I could get a full suite of Stuart Price fits (but especially for the Sentinel, Slicer, and Daredevil).
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Captain Nares
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Posted - 2010.04.08 03:41:00 -
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Sader has a variety of OK fits, and one above is one of the slowest (only plated is slower). You don't need that tank to catch+kill tackling inty and warp out. And that tank isn't neccessary vs taranis. It is rly neccessary only for pvp vs other saders with the same guns.
[Crusader, Classic] Internal Force Field Array I Heat Sink II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II
Gistii B-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Energy Burst Aerator I Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
Don't think that pimp intys have any sense since 1st december 2009 coz of dramiel... but anyway:
[Crusader, Espada] Internal Force Field Array I Heat Sink II Centii C-Type Small Armor Repairer Overdrive Injector System II
Gistii B-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive Caldari Navy/Dark Blood Warp Scrambler
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Energy Burst Aerator II Small Ancillary Current Router I
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Grimfang Wyrmspawn
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Posted - 2010.04.08 09:22:00 -
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I've got a fit I am wanting to try (when I can fly Inties in about 2 weeks time):-
[Crusader, PVP - Mission Disruptor] Damage Control II Adaptive Nano Plating II Fourier Transform I Tracking Program Capacitor Power Relay II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Faint Warp Disruptor I
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Energy Collision Accelerator I Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Stats (all level V): eHP 4039 Resists EM 65.7% Th 55.4% Ki 48.5% Ex 51.9% DPS/Volley 118 / 230 Scorch (13 + 2.3km) 148 / 288 IN Multi (4.3 + 2.3km) Speed: 4009m/s Cap: 8m 39s with everything on
Designed to engage outside an overheated market or faction scram's range. Overheated market web's can't get you but faction webs will.
The only reason for the CPR is due to my skills, want to make sure I have the cap to finish an engagement. Could swap it out for TEII (Cap drops to 2m 27s) and another ANPII (eHP 4374) or OD Injector II (4510m/s)or a few other things.
Is this likely to be an effective fit?
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Number 17
Caldari COLD-Wing
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Posted - 2010.04.08 10:39:00 -
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I dont understand ANY frigate fit that combines MWD + warp scrambler. I mean, if you are going to get in scram range, wouldnt your mwd be shut down as well?
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Jim Tudeski
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Posted - 2010.04.08 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Number 17 I dont understand ANY frigate fit that combines MWD + warp scrambler. I mean, if you are going to get in scram range, wouldnt your mwd be shut down as well?
..../facepalm I sure hope you are trolling. If not then here is a little bit of advice. If you are a tackler and you fit an AB how many people do you think you are going to effectively tackle? MWD is much better for speeding to the target and locking them down quickly, even if your MWD gets shut off(Once you are in range).
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Number 17
Caldari COLD-Wing
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Posted - 2010.04.08 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Tudeski
Originally by: Number 17
..../facepalm I sure hope you are trolling. If not then here is a little bit of advice. If you are a tackler and you fit an AB how many people do you think you are going to effectively tackle? MWD is much better for speeding to the target and locking them down quickly, even if your MWD gets shut off(Once you are in range).
If you came into my gang as a "tackler" i would expect a 24km point on your ship. Otherwise you'd be sent home to refit.
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Winking Browneye
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Posted - 2010.04.08 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Number 17
If you came into my gang as a "tackler" i would expect a 24km point on your ship. Otherwise you'd be sent home to refit.
With that attitude and lack of game knowledge, I'm surprised people let you FC them.
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Jim Tudeski
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Posted - 2010.04.08 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Number 17
Originally by: Jim Tudeski
Originally by: Number 17
..../facepalm I sure hope you are trolling. If not then here is a little bit of advice. If you are a tackler and you fit an AB how many people do you think you are going to effectively tackle? MWD is much better for speeding to the target and locking them down quickly, even if your MWD gets shut off(Once you are in range).
If you came into my gang as a "tackler" i would expect a 24km point on your ship. Otherwise you'd be sent home to refit.
Congrats, you don't know how to fly Inties properly, especially combat inties.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.04.08 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Number 17 I dont understand ANY frigate fit that combines MWD + warp scrambler. I mean, if you are going to get in scram range, wouldnt your mwd be shut down as well?
Well you see you need some way to get into scram range against other frigates that would rather you not... |
Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.04.08 12:08:00 -
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I'm looking into the Crusader as well but the main thing that concerns me is how it'd fare close up vs another inty (in particular the Taranis) when (by the look of it) it won't be able to dictate range to get the most out of scorch.
Not saying it doesn't work, just questioning how it works. _________________________________
Originally by: Dodgy Past Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2010.04.08 12:10:00 -
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Don't know hot to fit a crusader? Check this.
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Number 17
Caldari COLD-Wing
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Posted - 2010.04.08 12:15:00 -
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At least im posting with my main and you can look me up to see if i have some kills or not. Any of you posting above have 0 (zero) kills in frigates solo. Except for terianna who killed a poorly fitted sader fitted for long range tackle.
The OP here ask for both tackling and dogfighting fits. You can't have both and perform 100%.
In a frig fight both frigates have to commit, at least in the beginning, else there is no fight and just a frigate warping off. There is a reason why the most successful dog fighter frigs fit dual prop.
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2010.04.08 12:21:00 -
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You sir fail even at using BC. I don't even want to imagine how you pvp
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.04.08 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Number 17 At least im posting with my main and you can look me up to see if i have some kills or not. Any of you posting above have 0 (zero) kills in frigates solo. Except for terianna who killed a poorly fitted sader fitted for long range tackle.
The OP here ask for both tackling and dogfighting fits. You can't have both and perform 100%.
In a frig fight both frigates have to commit, at least in the beginning, else there is no fight and just a frigate warping off. There is a reason why the most successful dog fighter frigs fit dual prop.
/stops posting on Jim Now then. What was that? Anyway learn to properly fly an interceptor and guess what? Maybe you can actually learn to tackle with a close range point Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? http://www.wi-alliance.com/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=32678 http://roadkill.igs-corp.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=32678 |
Number 17
Caldari COLD-Wing
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Posted - 2010.04.08 12:41:00 -
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http://wialliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5012528
see what i mean? your "tackle" inties die to BC and command ships. And you are trying to tell me how to fly an inty? i would not be proud of that KB btw.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.04.08 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Number 17 http://wialliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5012528
see what i mean? your "tackle" inties die to BC and command ships. And you are trying to tell me how to fly an inty? i would not be proud of that KB btw.
You mean because I was tackling him with people on their way? . I knew what was most likely going to happen going in for the tackle ;D. Sorry I have a bit more balls then most people :3 Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? http://www.wi-alliance.com/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=32678 http://roadkill.igs-corp.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=32678 |
Kenpotchi
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Posted - 2010.04.08 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Kenpotchi on 08/04/2010 12:51:27 Easily one of my favoret fits.
[Crusader, New Setup 1] Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Heat Sink II
Gistii B-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.04.08 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Number 17 I dont understand ANY frigate fit that combines MWD + warp scrambler. I mean, if you are going to get in scram range, wouldnt your mwd be shut down as well?
Be nice, its a fair question.
You are correct in that the scram goes both ways, especially when dealing with frig/cruiser prey. Reason why it works for interceptors (and to a lesser degree faction frigates) is their high base speeds .. they will be going 4-500m/s even without MWD so unless webs are deployed the only danger is neuts/drones.
The Crusader does phenomenal damage with a heatsink fitted as it loses very little damage to tracking thanks to its bonus .. awesome ship in the right hands. Just be careful with it as most things can pop it right quick
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Poses
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Posted - 2010.04.08 16:23:00 -
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[Crusader, dogfighter] Internal Force Field Array I Adaptive Nano Plating II Small Armor Repairer II Heat Sink II
Gistii C-Type 1MN Afterburner Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Energy Burst Aerator I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
use rogue cy-1 lancer g1-beta zor's hyperlink lancer g1-delta noble zet500
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.04.08 18:12:00 -
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Sader is dogfighter, if your in scram range of competent cruiser/bc pilot, you are dead. Ab sader can ofc outtrack most turrets at close orbit - id say including its own gatlings lol - but it takes single neut to take it out of fight. So be very careful when engaging ships that are known for fitting neuts /most of them these days/.
Also for tackling use malediction.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.04.08 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Number 17 At least im posting with my main and you can look me up to see if i have some kills or not. Any of you posting above have 0 (zero) kills in frigates solo. Except for terianna who killed a poorly fitted sader fitted for long range tackle.
First of all, check Stuart Price's stats. He plays a lot more than I do and has many, many more kills.
Nevertheless, you are quite mistaken, seriously.
As for a "Tackle" setup, whatever, just fit beams and a long point or something. Or get a Malediction. Crusader is for dogfighting.
Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington I'm looking into the Crusader as well but the main thing that concerns me is how it'd fare close up vs another inty (in particular the Taranis) when (by the look of it) it won't be able to dictate range to get the most out of scorch.
Not saying it doesn't work, just questioning how it works.
You are right in that the Crusader can't really dictate range. However, in practice it doesn't really need to. Because of the excellent range of Pulse lasers you can hit pretty much anything in web-scram range which and when you're fighting f.ex a Taranis, while he can dictate range and has more DPS, you get a bunch of extra volleys off while he's moving into range and more importantly, when he inevitably overshoots you and flies back out to 6 or 7 km. Once the Taranis actually gets into his range he'll start hitting pretty hard but by then he's almost dead anyway.
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Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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yfz3r0
Caldari TunDraGon Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.08 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: yfz3r0 on 08/04/2010 19:40:12
Originally by: Number 17 http://wialliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5012528
see what i mean? your "tackle" inties die to BC and command ships. And you are trying to tell me how to fly an inty? i would not be proud of that KB btw.
gtfo
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