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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.04.10 09:45:00 -
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Since most conspiracies are long and drawn out. I'll try to get to the point. You have to ask as in all conspiracies who benifits from all this. In this case nobody. But, they have asked many times to get on ts and help solve the problems. Unfortunately, nobody here has listened. So, they must assume everyone likes playing with lag. Thus, they decide to leave it alone. Since you like it soooo much.
Feel free to add you thoughts.
No more fix Dominion. Now it's don't screw up Tyrannis, PLEASE!
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.04.10 09:55:00 -
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Didn't you know alliance leaders can not only ask for a node to be reinforced but also to rig it to their advantage? --------
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.04.10 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Didn't you know alliance leaders can not only ask for a node to be reinforced but also to rig it to their advantage?
No wonder.
I think it depends on which dev. was working during reboot. If they have any vested interest at stake as to which alliance they belong to. Rig it to thier advantage?
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Rexthor Hammerfists
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.10 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Originally by: Abrazzar Didn't you know alliance leaders can not only ask for a node to be reinforced but also to rig it to their advantage?
No wonder.
I think it depends on which dev. was working during reboot. If they have any vested interest at stake as to which alliance they belong to. Rig it to thier advantage?
Rig to their advantage is a little harsh. Some devs are openly affiliated with some leading alliances, which is blessed by ccp`s directorship. There is a sticky somewhere here that says certain devs in some positions can if they feel like, give one alliance the first 50 login slots. Imo its not a bad thing, an alliance that works hard to be attractive enough for a dev or several to join it should gain some advantages. -
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Kirsi Kirjasto
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Posted - 2010.04.10 11:11:00 -
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Speaking of which.....
So, everyone like how Putin with KBG-efficiency "took care" of the entire Polish leadership today? One 'accident' on Russian soil, and Poland is violently punished for having the balls to challenge the bear.
Russian investigation will turn up nothing, no doubt. (Except to find the Polish pilot was at fault...)
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Namira Sable
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Posted - 2010.04.10 11:57:00 -
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Posting to confirm that no 0.0 alliances helped test on singularity.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.04.10 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Rig to their advantage is a little harsh. Some devs are openly affiliated with some leading alliances, which is blessed by ccp`s directorship. There is a sticky somewhere here that says certain devs in some positions can if they feel like, give one alliance the first 50 login slots.
I heard they're handing out T3 BPO's to alliance mates, you know where I can go to get one?
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Deus Ex'Machina
The-Machine
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Posted - 2010.04.10 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Rig to their advantage is a little harsh. Some devs are openly affiliated with some leading alliances, which is blessed by ccp`s directorship. There is a sticky somewhere here that says certain devs in some positions can if they feel like, give one alliance the first 50 login slots.
I heard they're handing out T3 BPO's to alliance mates, you know where I can go to get one?
Go back to 2007! There's no free t2 BPO from devs here - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.04.10 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab I heard they're handing out T3 BPO's to alliance mates, you know where I can go to get one?
Go back to 2007! There's no free t2 BPO from devs here
I'm not asking for T2 BPO's, there's not profit there!
A T3 one however... mmmm...
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2010.04.10 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab I heard they're handing out T3 BPO's to alliance mates, you know where I can go to get one?
Go back to 2007! There's no free t2 BPO from devs here
I'm not asking for T2 BPO's, there's not profit there!
A T3 one however... mmmm...
or t20
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.10 16:34:00 -
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I like how idiots still say "don't do fleet fights on non-reinforced nodes" when for the past several days we have been fighting on reinforced nodes and having horrific unbearable lag with just 500 people, you could 1,200 before dominion on a non reinforced node...and j-l had 2,000 people fighting.
CCP needs to realise many peoples patience is running short.
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Epicbeardman
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Posted - 2010.04.10 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing I like how idiots still say "don't do fleet fights on non-reinforced nodes" when for the past several days we have been fighting on reinforced nodes and having horrific unbearable lag with just 500 people, you could 1,200 before dominion on a non reinforced node...and j-l had 2,000 people fighting.
CCP needs to realise many peoples patience is running short.
I like how idiots still complain on the forums about crashes while not logging in for Mass Testing.
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Qarthy
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Posted - 2010.04.10 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Qarthy on 10/04/2010 17:12:48
Originally by: Epicbeardman
Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing I like how idiots still say "don't do fleet fights on non-reinforced nodes" when for the past several days we have been fighting on reinforced nodes and having horrific unbearable lag with just 500 people, you could 1,200 before dominion on a non reinforced node...and j-l had 2,000 people fighting.
CCP needs to realise many peoples patience is running short.
I like how idiots still complain on the forums about crashes while not logging in for Mass Testing.
Oh Really? As I recall there were around 500 on the last mass test and it ran for crap on SISI.
BTW WTF are you?
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2010.04.10 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Epicbeardman
I like how idiots still complain on the forums about crashes while not logging in for Mass Testing.
I like how idiots still think that players should be compelled to do CCP's QA/QC for them.
My offer is still open: 1 free plex for every time CCP expects me to show-up to help them do QA/QC.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.04.10 17:33:00 -
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Hi, I sell TINFOIL hats. Send me isk and I'll give you the bookmark for it in Jita.
oh and as if CCP can afford to pay 1000+ QA people so that they can test this frequently.
Wake up and return to computer when you can do basic arithmetic.
You're MORONS to question why CCP are asking for your help. Of course they need your help! They are trying to HELP you.
If you can't be bothered to help them, then ooooooookay! Nothing can change without 'luck'.
Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
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Hainnz
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Posted - 2010.04.10 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Some devs are openly affiliated with some leading alliances, which is blessed by ccp`s directorship.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.04.10 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Fury
Originally by: Epicbeardman
I like how idiots still complain on the forums about crashes while not logging in for Mass Testing.
I like how idiots still think that players should be compelled to do CCP's QA/QC for them.
My offer is still open: 1 free plex for every time CCP expects me to show-up to help them do QA/QC.
No doubt. It kills me that so many players on the forum find so many ways to come up with excuses for CCP. It's great that they want to include the community. Just wonderful. But come on! Dominion clearly b0rked what was only slightly less b0rked, with community involvement. You can't tell me that CCP has no way of stress testing their code without releasing it first above and beyond community involvement. Bots anyone? How many games have them? Load up 4000 or so and start fixing the problems before releasing the new code.
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Epicbeardman
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Posted - 2010.04.12 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Epicbeardman on 12/04/2010 14:19:18
Originally by: Doc Fury I like how idiots still think that players should be compelled to do CCP's QA/QC for them.
Pardon the ad hominem, but are you completely ******ed?
What? Your 3k/mo plumbing job doesn't require you to occasionaly call for the aid of your customers, so neither does a three hundred thousand subscriber multiplayer game?
Keep your 60 IQ logic the **** away from other people son.
Quote: Bots anyone? How many games have them? Load up 4000 or so and start fixing the problems before releasing the new code.
Why don't you send me your resume, I'd love to see your mmo coding experience.
Bet you could fit your pathetic history on a post-it.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2010.04.12 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Epicbeardman Edited by: Epicbeardman on 12/04/2010 14:19:18
Originally by: Doc Fury I like how idiots still think that players should be compelled to do CCP's QA/QC for them.
Pardon the ad hominem, but are you completely ******ed?
What? Your 3k/mo plumbing job doesn't require you to occasionaly call for the aid of your customers, so neither does a three hundred thousand subscriber multiplayer game?
Keep your 60 IQ logic the **** away from other people son.
IQ aside "son", I am not ******ed, however your analogy surely is. As a plumber I didn't build or install the faulty plumbing, and I strictly operate as a paid problem solver. Since I was contracted to come-in and solve a problem, people usually volunteer to turn on their tap or flush their toilet for me at my request because the sooner I am out of their domicile the less they have to PAY me.
I'll use lots of small words from here on out, so maybe someone of your intellectual capacity will grasp the concept I am working under.
You lease a car from a dealer that claims to specialize in leasing dependable and fun to drive cars in return for taking your money. The dealer's brochures show people driving the cars in traffic and having fun and then shows you videos depicting their cars doing the things anyone might expect cars to do.. You sign a lease but you soon have a problem with the car, it is not working as it was advertised, and an unacceptable portion of the time when try to use the car you sit stalled out in traffic instead of being able to travel to your destination unless there are no other cars on the road. This goes on and on for a long time, and the dealer tinkers with your car, messing mostly with the paint job and the tires. The dealer sometimes makes things a little better for a while, but then they do something else that makes the same problems worse again. The dealer does not know why their car won't work reliably whenever used in traffic, but suggests that you assist them by spending your time sitting in traffic with other people who lease their cars because they don't have any of their own staff or tools that can do or simulate this.
Since you always pay your lease on time, and the dealer has a strict no refund policy, is it really too much to expect the dealer for a little compensation for your 'assistance' that costs them nothing, such as a free month's lease?
I can accept that I may be called upon occasionally to recreate or document a specific problem I may be having, but there are tools and resources for debugging systemic problems like this. CCP continually chooses the cheap and lazy road because the players allow them to, look at the UI if you need any reminding of that.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2010.04.12 20:49:00 -
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If fleet mobs want to solve the lag problem then let them be the guinea pigs.
I've got enough trouble with Tranquility functioning correctly as a lone wolf player than to spend a nanosecond coming to the aid of mega-corps and alliances.
In order to give you your stinking fleet battles a whole lot of the game is being shaved razor thin to accomodate your wishes, the preoccupation with fleet lag has spilled over into the entire game, to its detriment. Eve has sound, anyone?
I read a post where the member of some alliance said all you have to do is spam the help channels, ask for shields, armor, etc.,do anything you can to overload the server so that the incoming fleet will be stuck like flies in amber. The fleet already in the system can then slaughter their foes at will.
We've all endured Eve crashing due to alliance preoccupation with carnage and pew-pew to the 100th power. Its wrecked a lot of other player's evenings, collateral damage if you will.
So belly up to the SISI bar, boys. It's your game to make or continue to break.
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.12 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Amberlamps on 12/04/2010 22:22:59
Originally by: Ghengis Tia If fleet mobs want to solve the lag problem then let them be the guinea pigs.
I've got enough trouble with Tranquility functioning correctly as a lone wolf player than to spend a nanosecond coming to the aid of mega-corps and alliances.
In order to give you your stinking fleet battles a whole lot of the game is being shaved razor thin to accomodate your wishes, the preoccupation with fleet lag has spilled over into the entire game, to its detriment. Eve has sound, anyone?
I read a post where the member of some alliance said all you have to do is spam the help channels, ask for shields, armor, etc.,do anything you can to overload the server so that the incoming fleet will be stuck like flies in amber. The fleet already in the system can then slaughter their foes at will.
We've all endured Eve crashing due to alliance preoccupation with carnage and pew-pew to the 100th power. Its wrecked a lot of other player's evenings, collateral damage if you will.
So belly up to the SISI bar, boys. It's your game to make or continue to break.
Taking into account we pay for this game monthly yet we are not only paying to play it we're effectively paying to help them make it... Yes it might benefit us more in the long run but seriously they always request us to help and the player base receives nothing... They expect large alliances to jump onto the test server? Its like they don't realise wars are being waged. If they would reward the playerbase for them wasting their time on a game they pay to play to help the developers who get paid then I would more willingly join in. I only attend the fleet tests when I happen to be messing around on the test server as it is.
The fleets are poorly organised and rarely are they on time, I might be able to jump from system to system but being unable to operate my modules when theres only 300 people in system sucks royally. Why can't CCP just accept it that their expansion failed than draw into the crowds of paying customers to help them untangle the ruined mess of coding that is Dominion. Tyrannis our upcoming PATCH is likely to be full of fail, I for one am now considering of cancelling subscriptions purely because the end game is being pointed towards 0.0 and not everyone wants to do that after all it is is a sandbox.
Planetary Interaction appears to currently be the worst update to ANY game I am yet to see, the whole interface sucks royally and pretty much everything said at fanfest isn't there. There is no sign of overflowing into your neighbour or anything to do with T3 frigates, If anything this PATCH seems to be bringing more bugs into the game and more messed up menus. Standings now have to be done stupidly awkwardly as you can no longer right click on someone's name you now have to either add them or go through the buggy menu that is their profile, tying to jump onto "relationship" yet being presented with "standings" tab which is actually showing you their bio or description is freaking annoying.
I'm unofficially ragequitting at this moment in time.
Also remember the fact that you now have guns firing another graphics cycle off after you have cancelled them anyway. As well as random explosions on ships... including cloaked ships... Thus meaning if I am cloaked and this bug hits me people will be able to just double click in space in the direction these random explosions are going off and decloak me, and yes this is fact I have put it to practice on the test server using my alt you do show up everyone sees the explosions. This bug has been around for a long time now on the test server and they are yet to fix it. If this bug goes live without them trying to prevent it, say good bye to cloaking as we know it.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.12 22:45:00 -
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Take a step back from the bong, man.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.04.12 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Fury You lease a car from a dealer that claims to specialize in leasing dependable and fun to drive cars in return for taking your money. The dealer's brochures show people driving the cars in traffic and having fun and then shows you videos depicting their cars doing the things anyone might expect cars to do.. You sign a lease but you soon have a problem with the car, it is not working as it was advertised, and an unacceptable portion of the time when try to use the car you sit stalled out in traffic instead of being able to travel to your destination unless there are no other cars on the road. This goes on and on for a long time, and the dealer tinkers with your car, messing mostly with the paint job and the tires. The dealer sometimes makes things a little better for a while, but then they do something else that makes the same problems worse again. The dealer does not know why their car won't work reliably whenever used in traffic, but suggests that you assist them by spending your time over and over again sitting in traffic with other people who lease their cars because they don't have any of their own staff or tools that can do or simulate this.
This is what we call the Loeber Motors Mercedez-Benz effect. You have a car serviced by them in Chicago and this is what happens...to a T. Needless to say, I got rid of that car :P
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Schani Kratnorr
x13 IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.12 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 10/04/2010 14:59:09
Since most conspiracies are long and drawn out. I'll try to get to the point. You have to ask as in all conspiracies who benifits from all this. In this case nobody. But, they have asked many times to get on SISI and help solve the problems. Unfortunately, nobody here has listened. So, they must assume everyone likes playing with lag. Thus, they decide to leave it alone. Since you like it soooo much.
Feel free to add your thoughts.
No more fix Dominion. Now it's don't screw up Tyrannis, PLEASE!
Asking players of a sandbox game to prioritise activity A over activity B is not likely to produce results.
The top ten reason(s) CCP has problems getting people to play/test on SISI are...
Number four, I don't play on SISI because I simply don't have the time to figure out how
Number three, I dont play on SISI because I have previously been ignored when submitting bug reports and now I feel like it is a waste of my time.
Number two, I don't player in SISI because I don't like the arrogant asshats they elevate to Bug Hunter status.
Number one, I don't play on SISI because I am too busy playing on TQ
If I got something... say a 60-day game time code, I might consider actually making an effort. My point is, EVE has evolved beyond the point where CCP can expect their paying customers to loyally come to their aid when they need it.
Personally I am not on SISI because I simply do not have the time. My alliance is involved in a semi-large clusterprocreation up in the Pure Blind region. I have finally managed to be on board a conflict were both sides are unwilling to yield - I love it! (even with the lag we get at times.) Why would I or anyone else voluntarily walk away from the actual game in order to generate testdata.
In closing, your argument lack substance. the so-called 0.0 alliances are absent from test not because they do not care about lag but because they do not see it as an alliance task to organize testers.
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.12 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Borun Tal Take a step back from the bong, man.
Dooooooooooood,
How about they just give us something simple like a unique ship on TQ or a decoration something along those lines. Something which has little use like the Zephyr but something that actually exists to say we have helped. Perhaps when you turn up to 75% of the tests for that expansion that when the expansion comes out live we get the ship. Something similar to the Zephyr or simply a shuttle with a faster warp speed or something.
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Grayclay
Caldari Van Uber. Order of the Rising Sun
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Posted - 2010.04.12 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Borun Tal Take a step back from the bong, man.
More like crack pipe, jesus. Ragequitting over some menus and graphical glitches on little buttons on the bottom of the screen? Sure, CCP forgot to actually see if human beings could use the interface they created, and sure, they seem to refuse to actually try to make it better, but is that any reason to actually quit the game?
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
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The top ten reason(s) CCP has problems getting people to play/test on SISI are...
Number four, I don't play on SISI because I simply don't have the time to figure out how
Number three, I dont play on SISI because I have previously been ignored when submitting bug reports and now I feel like it is a waste of my time.
Number two, I don't player in SISI because I don't like the arrogant asshats they elevate to Bug Hunter status.
Number one, I don't play on SISI because I am too busy playing on TQ
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Now we know who needs to lay off the bong and the Robitussin.
Anywho, as for actual subject matter, I seem to remember paying a monthly fee in order to play the game, something that consisted of around $15 a month? Sound familiar? Yeah, some of that goes to paying for server infrastructure, and some goes to keeping the company in the black, but the leftover is going where? Obviously not into any serious QA or Testing. This game is theoretically amazing, but CCP seems to have forgotten that they serve us, we don't serve them. If the majority of the community (that is, the people who care enough to post here) are saying something is wrong, something needs to be done, and not by us.
Games are only tested by the community in Beta, which is essentially what Sisi is, a perpetually running beta client for updates. QA testers test the game in a closed environment on a small scale, and then the game is stress tested in an open, large scale environment. This is how beta's tend to work. But thats not our responsibility. Sure, we want the game to work better than it does. But if thats our only incentive, us players who have other things to do with our lives than do play testing for a game that we already pay money monthly for, for the purpose of maintaining and upgrading the game, are not going to respond enthusiastically to the idea.
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.12 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Grayclay
Originally by: Borun Tal Take a step back from the bong, man.
More like crack pipe, jesus. Ragequitting over some menus and graphical glitches on little buttons on the bottom of the screen? Sure, CCP forgot to actually see if human beings could use the interface they created, and sure, they seem to refuse to actually try to make it better, but is that any reason to actually quit the game?
I'm talking about... Hey I've just activated my cloa... What they decloaked me... HOW!? I just warped in at 50km and they knew where I was?!
Go see the bug, it has a large hilarity value for anyone who ends up suffering from it.
Lets take a brief look at the interface. Initially this was the process
1) Right Click character 2) Set standings - done.
Now the process is
1) Right click 2) Show info 3) Wait till the inevitable server load and lag has subdued and you can view their profile partially and properly. 4) Click relationship tab 5) Right click on their picture under the tab 6) Oh wait that didn't work... try again? 7) same again 8) So only one of the multiple relationship works for setting standing..
Now consider the fact that they are suppose to be increase the awesomeness of Eve... this may seem small however VERY VERY VERY annoying for small operations when I need to QUICKLY set someone or their corp at a negative standing (i.e can flipping). Now imagine this... but imagine they do it to something you love so dearly. Perhaps you have skilled yourself up for Stealth Bombers or Covert Recon and you discover this unfixed bug on which has been on sisi for months now. Imagine what they released already on TQ and frustrated thousands due to their obvious inept ability to code properly. I may not be a coder myself however common sense tells me to delay a release date if the tests don't show positive results... Do they do this? No
So when a new expansion is coming around the corner I don't imagine... Oooh wow what amazing stuff will I get to do... I think what bug am I going to have to put up with until Eve dies...
Finally FIX THE ****ING SHIELD BUG. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've boarded a ship in space only to find I have 20% shield because of the stupid bug. I might have passive recharge but when my raven only has it at something along the lines of 3hps it doesn't help when I need to go into combat and there is no station I'm able to dock at... infact why should I have to dock... armour tankers don't stuff it.
FIX THE ****ING BUGS CCP.
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Grayclay
Caldari Van Uber. Order of the Rising Sun
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Posted - 2010.04.13 00:13:00 -
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@Amberlamps: Ok, you win. You have a valid point, I was mostly poking fun at you :)
I think it comes down to the marketing department clashing with the actual coding and artwork departments. Obviously EvE is interested in its bottom line, and so any perceived delay in release of a FREE expansion will OBVIOUSLY hurt the bottom line. So the expansion MUST be released, regardless of quality, and thus we get a buggy product. You might say the alternative, taking forever, is worse. But I would happily point out that the world's most successful game creators of the world's most popular games, Blizzard and Valve, both casually delay games to the extent of suicidal frustration of those awaiting the games, and then release the most amazing games known to mankind.
tldr: Make sure the expansion is perfect before releasing it. tldr alt: Fire the marketers.
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.13 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Grayclay @Amberlamps: Ok, you win. You have a valid point, I was mostly poking fun at you :)
I think it comes down to the marketing department clashing with the actual coding and artwork departments. Obviously EvE is interested in its bottom line, and so any perceived delay in release of a FREE expansion will OBVIOUSLY hurt the bottom line. So the expansion MUST be released, regardless of quality, and thus we get a buggy product. You might say the alternative, taking forever, is worse. But I would happily point out that the world's most successful game creators of the world's most popular games, Blizzard and Valve, both casually delay games to the extent of suicidal frustration of those awaiting the games, and then release the most amazing games known to mankind.
tldr: Make sure the expansion is perfect before releasing it. tldr alt: Fire the marketers.
You are forgiven.
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Grayclay
Caldari Van Uber. Order of the Rising Sun
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Posted - 2010.04.13 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Amberlamps You are forgiven.
Do I get a forgiveness point?
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