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masternerdguy
Gallente Caldari Naval Reserve
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Posted - 2010.04.10 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: masternerdguy on 10/04/2010 19:19:42 To the point... *Militias have a constant influx of new peeps. *Militias are ad-hoc and cannot be defeated *Militias are decentralized and often contain multiple opposing parties, therefore you have a wide variety of goals. Refer back to the cannot be defeated, and you have something terrifying.
The issue with 0.0 right now seems to be an inability for these alliances to defend their space. This is because it is easier to dock up than to fight and there is no loss associated unless they are sieging your big pos or outpost.
Edit oops wrong button My solution is to make TCUs much easier to siege, so even small 10 man cruiser gangs could do it in 45 minutes. This will force em out.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.10 19:22:00 -
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Moved to Warfare & Tactics.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.04.10 19:30:00 -
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Thanks OP, now I'm ashamed I was once part of a militia...
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.04.11 02:36:00 -
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0.0 > Militias cause they can kick people like you out and unfortunately we are stuck with you. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Zemkhoff
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Posted - 2010.04.11 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy
The issue with 0.0 right now seems to be an inability for these alliances to defend their space.
Really?
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Lord Zekk
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.11 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy Edited by: masternerdguy on 10/04/2010 19:19:42 The issue with 0.0 right now seems to be an inability for these alliances to defend their space. This is because it is easier to dock up than to fight and there is no loss associated unless they are sieging your big pos or outpost.
Edit oops wrong button My solution is to make TCUs much easier to siege, so even small 10 man cruiser gangs could do it in 45 minutes. This will force em out.
Why we left Militia for 0.0 stupid **** like this. I know you are tired of CCP not listening to you because you are in FWar. Just because you say something about 0.0 (when you clearly have no clue what you're talking about) doesn't mean CCP will listen to you.
You are still in FWar. CCP DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK!
(I know this has come of sounding rude, but the truth can hurt sometimes)
We are recruiting. http://www.22ndbrdu.com In game channel: Arta-X |
Hidden Snake
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.04.11 11:14:00 -
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to the OP - well I am very tolerant man, but I am not sure if ur posts help anything.
to the topic - I personally (and most of my corpmates like FW over null) for several reasons, but there are definitely people who like null sec aspects (like **** sucking of alliance bosses to eve undock, clusterf0cks etc.). I just do not like when null sec boys frown over FW warriors (and vice versa). But when it comes to basic raw power alliances can field more then FW just because of size (and it is nice on lowsec, that size does matter just to some level).
to the capturing of systems - yup it should be much easier - because now nothing changed and IT alliance shows that bigger will just win and create new Bob,but there is no chance to make a raid to null, plunder system for 2-4days and run.
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Lord Zekk
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.11 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Hidden Snake Edited by: Hidden Snake on 11/04/2010 11:30:23 to the OP - well I am very tolerant man, but I am not sure if ur posts help anything.
to the topic - I personally (and most of my corpmates like FW over null) for several reasons, but there are definitely people who like null sec aspects (like **** sucking of alliance bosses to eve undock, clusterf0cks etc.). I just do not like when null sec boys frown over FW warriors (and vice versa). But when it comes to basic raw power alliances can field more then FW just because of size (and it is nice on lowsec, that size does matter just to some level).
this explains it a lot
to the capturing of systems - yup it should be much easier - because now nothing changed and IT alliance shows that bigger will just win and create new Bob,but there is no chance to make a raid to null, plunder system for 2-4days and run.
Very well put HS. You can put FW style gameplay in to 0.0 and 0.0 in to FWar. They're very different beasts and anyone who has played both will know what I'm talking about.
Roaming gangs are fine, but Sov Mechanics and Occupancy mechanics are very different for a reason. Bigger is better just like a larger army with better technology will defeat a smaller one. However smaller forces can make it very difficult or painful for larger ones to hold on to and use that space effective. Which is why techniques like Strategic Area Denial come in to play.
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Oathborne
Caldari Genstar Inc
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Posted - 2010.04.11 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy Edited by: masternerdguy on 10/04/2010 19:19:42 To the point... *Militias have a constant influx of new peeps. *Militias are ad-hoc and cannot be defeated *Militias are decentralized and often contain multiple opposing parties, therefore you have a wide variety of goals. Refer back to the cannot be defeated, and you have something terrifying.
The issue with 0.0 right now seems to be an inability for these alliances to defend their space. This is because it is easier to dock up than to fight and there is no loss associated unless they are sieging your big pos or outpost.
Edit oops wrong button My solution is to make TCUs much easier to siege, so even small 10 man cruiser gangs could do it in 45 minutes. This will force em out.
Constant influx of new peeps? If you mean the marshmellow kind, ok. But I think most people quickly find that FW is not for them. I say most because I know when I first got into it having to watch out for 2 groups (WTs and Pies) in lowsec just sucked more than anything. I much preferred the only having to worry about the occasion flashy pie gank fleet than WTs at any minute as well. And there is always the WT highsec gank fleet to worry about occasionally too. Couple FW with Pies with a few Corp WTs and then you've really got a nerve wracking time on your hands.
I'd also say that you are way wrong. Militias can be defeated. I remember fighting against the Blackrise Angels before my short vacation from EvE. Obviously they had enough ingratitude for their efforts and decided to leave the Caldari War effort to others. I don't blame them.
A lot of times I feel that FW corps are put on the back burner because no one sees the direct impact of what they do in the game. I always thought that CCP should implement some serious consequences for a system being contested on the local populus to make it more effective.
If enemy occupations started effecting the market system or jump routes in key locations. I think FW corps would get more respect for ridding those systems of occupying forces.
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.11 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Oathborne I know when I first got into it having to watch out for 2 groups (WTs and Pies) in lowsec just sucked more than anything. I much preferred the only having to worry about the occasion flashy pie gank fleet than WTs at any minute as well.
0.0 carebear detected
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2010.04.11 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Nib 0.0 > Militias cause they can kick people like you out and unfortunately we are stuck with you.
Agreed 100%
As said, Caldari are pretty much in serious downhill and have been for a while. Bit like when PERVS, CAIN, 22nd, etc. took all systems we had the one team to field while Gallentes had 11 skillfull individuals (to use football term).
MnG is doing his best to keep the downturn going with his PR work but then again, being confessed gallente spy alt he is succeeding pretty well. We have lots of good people roaming and doing hit and runs but no way to actually field any kind of big fleet vs the two blobs on permanent stand-by in Nisuwa/Heydies.
It's probably reason why few long-term corporations just left Gallente because frankly, the fights are not there because miltiia itself cannot muster it and organised corps like PERVS simply wont bother trying to take on the blob except in piecemeal fashion occasionally.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Securitas Protector
Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.11 19:26:00 -
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Good luck to militias beating Northern or Southern Coalition forces which each have 300+ Dreads, 30-50 Supercarriers, and 10 Titans. Plus a support fleet numbering in the hundreds.
Yea you go militia! Proud to be shaych |
Mal Lokrano
Gallente Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.04.12 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Mal Lokrano on 12/04/2010 01:33:54 Considering when I was in FW the Caldari Militia only came out to fight if they had 20x more ships than a single Fed Militia pilot in system, I can hardly say the Caldari Militia is better than 0.0 alliances. Especially since the Cal Militia doesn't actually have to defend sov space, sure you can defend occupancy but that isn't really the same.
But what do I care, I got bored of FW so quick I haven't bothered to try again. ____________________________________________ When going to a party with wine, women, and song. Always ascertain the vintage of the first two. |
foksieloy
Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.12 06:22:00 -
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Poor troll 2/10. _______________________ We come for our people! |
Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.04.12 06:40:00 -
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Quote: *Militias are ad-hoc and cannot be defeated
I would consider it a major weakness
If it cannot be defeated, what's the point of fighting? I want to play a game where my actions have consequences, and not just for myself.
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Hidden Snake
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.04.12 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Hidden Snake on 12/04/2010 07:21:41
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Jin Nib 0.0 > Militias cause they can kick people like you out and unfortunately we are stuck with you.
Agreed 100%
As said, Caldari are pretty much in serious downhill and have been for a while. Bit like when PERVS, CAIN, 22nd, etc. took all systems we had the one team to field while Gallentes had 11 skillfull individuals (to use football term).
MnG is doing his best to keep the downturn going with his PR work but then again, being confessed gallente spy alt he is succeeding pretty well. We have lots of good people roaming and doing hit and runs but no way to actually field any kind of big fleet vs the two blobs on permanent stand-by in Nisuwa/Heydies.
It's probably reason why few long-term corporations just left Gallente because frankly, the fights are not there because miltiia itself cannot muster it and organised corps like PERVS simply wont bother trying to take on the blob except in piecemeal fashion occasionally.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
I do not agree Caldari are going downhill. Actually after Gavins great robbery we are rising up pretty well. Some of the corps are doing pretty good ;) (as we have tons of targets).
ad MNG marketing ... honestly if this joke will continue, I am very close to make recommendation to our guys to ignore his fleets (and I am not blacklisting people usually).
Regarding tactics, I do not f00kin.g care about some arranged blob fights - kill is a kill and i am not some stupid honorable duelist. If they are not able to respond without hot dropping i am not in and the killrate of our corp on Gals proves me I am right.
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Jotobar
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Posted - 2010.04.12 10:19:00 -
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bad troll comparing the most meaningless and basic form of eve pvp with the most meaningfull and advanced form of eve pvp.
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Hidden Snake
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.04.12 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jotobar bad troll comparing the most meaningless and basic form of eve pvp with the most meaningfull and advanced form of eve pvp.
unfortunately with this u get on his level ...
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Greg6
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Posted - 2010.04.12 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion ... MnG is doing his best to keep the downturn going with his PR work but then again, being confessed gallente spy alt he is succeeding pretty well. ...
It's probably reason why few long-term corporations just left Gallente because frankly, the fights are not there because miltiia itself cannot muster it and organised corps like PERVS simply wont bother trying to take on the blob except in piecemeal fashion occasionally.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Oh, no, you're not pushing MNG off on us. He's all yours, baby. :)
As for this whole, "there are no fights in FW," refrain, it's a crock of poo. I get an average of 3 to 6 fights a day in FW. Everything from being ganked by a blob, to doing the ganking, to fun small man fights in plexes with pies or wts, to battleship slug fests. You don't see the massive battles that happen in 0.0 with 100s of ships on a side, but that also means you don't get the lag that comes with it.
"The rumors of FW's demise are greatly exaggerated."
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Religous Reclaimer47
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Posted - 2010.04.13 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Securitas Protector Good luck to militias beating Northern or Southern Coalition forces which each have 300+ Dreads, 30-50 Supercarriers, and 10 Titans. Plus a support fleet numbering in the hundreds.
Yea you go militia!
Honestly you cant compare the two...SO Co is a Badd ASS Lite PVP Group while NO CO as a whole are a bunch of 00 Sec Carebears who like to mine and sometimes get out and fit there Plex PVE Carriers with buffers and RR Support and Blob some smaller carebear groups....
Hell Atlas and -AAA- Would kill most the NC by themselves
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Jotobar
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Posted - 2010.04.13 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hidden Snake Edited by: Hidden Snake on 12/04/2010 10:39:21
Originally by: Jotobar bad troll comparing the most meaningless and basic form of eve pvp with the most meaningfull and advanced form of eve pvp.
unfortunately with this u get on his level Mr. 1 kill and 4 losses...
I hope u r just someones alt because otherwise ur post is utter joke bigger then MNGs battle reports.
Clever of you to atleast consider that the char with a total of 1 kill in his lifetime was an alt! Nothing gets past this guy..
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Cha'el
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Posted - 2010.04.15 13:32:00 -
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Cmon seriously?
MNG has missed the fact that they are 2 completly different sides to the eve coin. Tired of the blobs on stand by in heyd and nis? Get organised and put up a fight instead of all the in militia bickering that goes on in the caldari militia, bring a fleet beyond the Tama gate instead of camping your own high sec out gate and getting all jelly legged when a 10 man gang sits on the opposite side. We are not always going to do a high sec raid on you guys. PERVS and inglorious batserds are the only adversaries that can give good fights in the caldari militia you could learn alot from them even if I do disagree with their playstyle and ethics
put the epeen away mng no one wants to see it
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Hidden Snake
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.04.15 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Cha'el Cmon seriously?
..... ethics
.... Can we put chilli and soya sauce on it? :D
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