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Django Returns
ARES Unlimited
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Posted - 2012.07.08 11:44:00 -
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Can anyone explain it to new folks? It seems to me like goons are dominating everything and only a small part of the players (like 10k out of 350k) is involved in any kind of "spacedomination". |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
169
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Posted - 2012.07.08 11:47:00 -
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10k? lmfao
The number is far, far higher than that. |
Django Returns
ARES Unlimited
108
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Posted - 2012.07.08 11:53:00 -
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tell me more. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
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Posted - 2012.07.08 11:56:00 -
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Nothwest vs Southeast, with Delve as the current front line.
That's basically it. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
223
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Posted - 2012.07.08 11:56:00 -
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I don't know about any "geopolitical" situation but this is how null-sec looked 1-2 weeks ago.
Team yellow is fighting team green and winning (delve is yellow now, querious will be yellow soon) Team red is fighting team orange to prevent team orange from fighting team green. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
460
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Posted - 2012.07.08 12:00:00 -
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Django Returns wrote:Can anyone explain it to new folks? It seems to me like goons are dominating everything and only a small part of the players (like 10k out of 350k) is involved in any kind of "spacedomination".
The only thing being dominated at this point is the null sec scamers renting space CFC and Honeybadgers are just having fun like they do when they choose to shoot each other to create content for their players (and this happens very often because lols) brb |
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs New Eden Research.
281
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Posted - 2012.07.08 12:02:00 -
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Django Returns wrote:tell me more. Current sov map. Current standings. Not everyone thinks the same way you do. This doesn't automatically make them wrong. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
158
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Posted - 2012.07.08 12:06:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:I don't know about any "geopolitical" situation but this is how null-sec looked 1-2 weeks ago. Team yellow is fighting team green and winning (delve is yellow now, querious will be yellow soon) Team red is fighting team orange to prevent team orange from fighting team green.
More or less this. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4087
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Posted - 2012.07.08 12:57:00 -
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Even if if it was 10k, those 10k are online at the same time as everyone else, and making that 10k out of 50k online. So 1/5 in worst case.
So no, there's no domination going on globally.
/c
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
863
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Posted - 2012.07.08 12:58:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:10k? lmfao
The number is far, far higher than that.
About 50k last estimate.
Since everyone else in Eve hates and wants to kill the CFC (apparently) that means the CFC are outnumbered some 300K to 50 K or 6 to 1. Clearly they can not lose and the rest of Eve will fall to the CFC and their superior numbers and tactics.
Its almost as though the rest of Eve are a bunch of idiots waiting to be culled. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
105
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Posted - 2012.07.08 13:08:00 -
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By last estimates the CFC was a ravening horde of 1.2m mongrel players being held at bay by 10 brave spartan warriors making up the Southern Coalition. So that would mean it is 1,200,010 players altogether involved. |
Django Returns
ARES Unlimited
108
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Posted - 2012.07.08 14:57:00 -
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anything else that is not goon related? where is that sandbox? |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2012.07.08 16:24:00 -
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Django Returns wrote:anything else that is not goon related? where is that sandbox?
its very simple. 0.0 is divided into 3 groups. The CFC, soco and parties that say that they will not ake part on it but at the same time are at war.
The parties that say wont get involved line NC. are in war with Solar and friends. Althought they claim not to be part of that war there seems to be no real reason for their war specially when it begins as the delve war. So in many ways they are part of the same war but in different locations.
The south claims that is a strategy to keep NC. at their system just in case they deside to enter the war on the CFC side. Its a valid reason and tactically is the right choice imo.
The actual rivalry is just something that usually formed with the years of conflict. When i say conflict, i mean wars, kills, threads posted, local chit chat, scams etc. You got to realise also that people do move around alot from alliances and sometimes betrayals happen on the way.
The sandbox is everywhere. War is started with a spark and market is controlled by capsuleers for the most part. You have choice to be loyal to your friends or betray them for isk. ISK offered for betrayal is something that has happened many times and rumours of real money offred is not something new either. Here is where your sandbox is
The real sandbox is in all the betrayal and backstabing that happens in eve. Eve has had many crazy examples of those in th past. Also tactics are really important in war. Tacking advantage of weaknesssed and exploiting them vs the enemy.
Examples are BOB gets betrayed, BOB disolves by betrayal, all the isk stolen. IT rebirth and revenge. Goons disolves, all the isk stolen. IT disolves DRF takes down the NC(old coalition that was believed to be unbrakable). NC disolves DRF disolves
and many many other examples |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
159
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Posted - 2012.07.08 16:33:00 -
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More importantly war is fun. |
Aooz
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:05:00 -
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Geopolitics, from Greek +ô++ (earth) and +á+++++¦-ä+¦+¦+« (politics) |
Forum Foreplay
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:10:00 -
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Django Returns wrote:Can anyone explain it to new folks? It seems to me like goons are dominating everything and only a small part of the players (like 10k out of 350k) is involved in any kind of "spacedomination".
Goons get more press is all, outside of their space, Gallente space and the area around Jita you hardly ever even see a goon.
My Main?-á For You?-áReally? |
Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
819
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:59:00 -
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Andrea Roche wrote: Examples are BOB gets betrayed, BOB disolves by betrayal, all the isk stolen. IT rebirth and revenge. Goons disolves, all the isk stolen. IT disolves DRF takes down the NC(old coalition that was believed to be unbrakable). NC disolves DRF disolves
and many many other examples
Your post sure seems smart enough, and I am sure that you felt pretty smart posting it. Except everything that you said here is complete bunk, and utterly worthless. The real culprit behind every event that you stated was CCP spontaneously changing the game mechanics, or, a result of mechanics that were shotty in the first place.
DRF took down the unbreakable NC because of CCP's Super carrier buff, Drone region macro mining and the sudden proliferation of supers. Goons died because they forgot to pay the rental bill ( a new ccp mechanic at the time) BOB died because CCP thinks it's ok for sov 5 to go poof with a click of a button, instead of the 24 stasis req for anything else of importance in eve. Also, directors cannot declare war so why can they kill everything when people are sleeping? IT alliance died because they needed to become goons in terms of sheer number, just so they could deal with dominions new mechanics and pay the sov bills. They needed the rent, and that bred discourse among the old timers who have been playing the game together since the beginning.
So you see no sand box. No sand box at all. These changes were directly precipitated by CCP's **** ups, and if they had not done these thing there would still be a BOB, a goonswarm and an NC. So please put a cork in it, because you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:08:00 -
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the market is is still free, I can go to any Wspace and be safe, low, high, and 90% of null.
I feel so ******* dominated. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
560
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Posted - 2012.07.08 19:47:00 -
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Aooz wrote:Geopolitics, from Greek +ô++ (earth) and +á+++++¦-ä+¦+¦+« (politics)
Yeah if anything I think OP meant "astral-politics". |
Django Returns
ARES Unlimited
109
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Posted - 2012.07.08 21:55:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andrea Roche wrote: Examples are BOB gets betrayed, BOB disolves by betrayal, all the isk stolen. IT rebirth and revenge. Goons disolves, all the isk stolen. IT disolves DRF takes down the NC(old coalition that was believed to be unbrakable). NC disolves DRF disolves
and many many other examples
Your post sure seems smart enough, and I am sure that you felt pretty smart posting it. Except everything that you said here is complete bunk, and utterly worthless. The real culprit behind every event that you stated was CCP spontaneously changing the game mechanics, or, a result of mechanics that were shotty in the first place. DRF took down the unbreakable NC because of CCP's Super carrier buff, Drone region macro mining and the sudden proliferation of supers. Goons died because they forgot to pay the rental bill ( a new ccp mechanic at the time) BOB died because CCP thinks it's ok for sov 5 to go poof with a click of a button, instead of the 24 stasis req for anything else of importance in eve. Also, directors cannot declare war so why can they kill everything when people are sleeping? IT alliance died because they needed to become goons in terms of sheer number, just so they could deal with dominions new mechanics and pay the sov bills. They needed the rent, and that bred discourse among the old timers who have been playing the game together since the beginning. So you see no sand box. No sand box at all. These changes were directly precipitated by CCP's **** ups, and if they had not done these thing there would still be a BOB, a goonswarm and an NC. So please put a cork in it, because you have no idea what you are talking about.
Is this true? CCP did all those changes and it hat kinda big impact on some alliances? |
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Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2012.07.08 22:19:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andrea Roche wrote: Examples are BOB gets betrayed, BOB disolves by betrayal, all the isk stolen. IT rebirth and revenge. Goons disolves, all the isk stolen. IT disolves DRF takes down the NC(old coalition that was believed to be unbrakable). NC disolves DRF disolves
and many many other examples
Your post sure seems smart enough, and I am sure that you felt pretty smart posting it. Except everything that you said here is complete bunk, and utterly worthless. The real culprit behind every event that you stated was CCP spontaneously changing the game mechanics, or, a result of mechanics that were shotty in the first place. DRF took down the unbreakable NC because of CCP's Super carrier buff, Drone region macro mining and the sudden proliferation of supers. Goons died because they forgot to pay the rental bill ( a new ccp mechanic at the time) BOB died because CCP thinks it's ok for sov 5 to go poof with a click of a button, instead of the 24 stasis req for anything else of importance in eve. Also, directors cannot declare war so why can they kill everything when people are sleeping? IT alliance died because they needed to become goons in terms of sheer number, just so they could deal with dominions new mechanics and pay the sov bills. They needed the rent, and that bred discourse among the old timers who have been playing the game together since the beginning. So you see no sand box. No sand box at all. These changes were directly precipitated by CCP's **** ups, and if they had not done these thing there would still be a BOB, a goonswarm and an NC. So please put a cork in it, because you have no idea what you are talking about.
jeez man. DId i twisted you nipples? I was only giving him examples. You talk alot of crap regarding the supercaps but we all know that NC held their space a year before by grid lock bug. Just put 2000 plus people in system before fight and then snipe everyone while they are in black screen load grid XD. So who is worst? the entity that uses bugs to block system client load or an entity that save up and used it in the fight effectively? It dont mean that supers are not op thought. Are you really that stupid to believe that there was no macro mining going in the NC? Come on
Only an idiot will actually belive that goons forgot to pay rent! LOL. I would love to hear how you spin the fact that very soon after the alliance was disbanded the CEO took all the isk and ran away with it. Coinsidence? Right...Besides we all know that there was no way goons could hold vs IT back then. They just saved themselves the embarassment! IT had defeatd PL, goons and friends in PL space and PL left for genimate. IT began to hit goons space and goons allies began to move out in masses. Freighters were loading and jumping out everything. Its no secret. Only and idiot believe the story of "i forgot to pay rent". XDDD
I dont know what did i said about the BOB thing that enraged you so much? I did not say the contrary but it could not have been done without betrayal so it counts as been part of the sandbox
IT was just a means to get revenge from all the bad stuff that happened to them and they did get their sweet revenge. What happened afterwards was just what happened.
Frantically you are getting pissed off for no reason. Need to get your head checked and then rechecked again by another specialist |
Mallak Azaria
282
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Posted - 2012.07.08 22:35:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:10k? lmfao
The number is far, far higher than that. About 50k last estimate. Since everyone else in Eve hates and wants to kill the CFC (apparently) that means the CFC are outnumbered some 300K to 50 K or 6 to 1. Clearly they can not lose and the rest of Eve will fall to the CFC and their superior numbers and tactics. The rest of Eve are a bunch of idiots waiting to be culled.
Fixed. |
Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
819
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Posted - 2012.07.09 00:09:00 -
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It's ok, try not to cry about it. People will forget your bad post in no time, I promise.
Django Returns wrote: Is this true? CCP did all those changes and it hat kinda big impact on some alliances?
And yes...the proof is on the old forums, do a google search and read EVE history. It is all pretty much in the archive.
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Desimus Maximus
Dark Matter Arsenal Development
15
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Posted - 2012.07.09 00:16:00 -
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Wouldn't it be "Astro-political"... "Solar-political"??
OP, Goons dominate nothing. It's like when an amateur is handed the reigns of a super power, the overwhelming amount of money flowing is enough to prevent even the most incompetent wannabes from failing... But enough about Barack Obama, let's talk about Goons. |
Forum Foreplay
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.07.09 00:29:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Nothwest vs Southeast, with Delve as the current front line.
That's basically it.
Which way is north? Even a sandbox has borders to keep the sand inside...
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.07.09 00:31:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Nothwest vs Southeast, with Delve as the current front line.
That's basically it.
and as I see it on the kbs Delve being outnumbered 100 to 1 the OP basically has it right lol http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1280
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Posted - 2012.07.09 00:33:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Nothwest vs Southeast, with Delve as the current front line.
That's basically it. and as I see it on the kbs Delve being outnumbered 100 to 1 the OP basically has it right lol
the fact that SoCo doesn't want to commit is not our problem gf gf a rogue goon |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
160
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Posted - 2012.07.09 01:10:00 -
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Django Returns wrote:
Is this true? CCP did all those changes and it hat kinda big impact on some alliances?
Absolutely.
Ask PL, they essentially got obsoleted by Dominion. Ever wonder where the eleventy billion stations in Fountain came from? Yeah. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2012.07.09 01:17:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:It's ok, try not to cry about it. People will forget your bad post in no time, I promise. Django Returns wrote: Is this true? CCP did all those changes and it hat kinda big impact on some alliances?
And yes...the proof is on the old forums, do a google search and read EVE history. It is all pretty much in the archive. Most of what Mr. Andrea Roche Butthurt is talking about coincided with 1. The dominion expansion and 2. the introduction of stupid high HP carriers and fighter bombers (and the after effects of these two things) He also failed to mention that the most sizable portion of supers owned in the game, shortly their after, ended up belonging to the drone regions and the Russian marcobots that supposedly did not live there (but of course who wants to remember that little fact right?) It is better to cry foul and pretend that you are right, amiright?
lol your original post says a lot about who really is the crying here and butt hurt. Sounds like you are ex NC/goon. I do love how you nipples still hurt with your last post. I sur would love you to show me where i crying foul? XD enjoy
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Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.07.09 01:25:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Andrea Roche wrote: Examples are BOB gets betrayed, BOB disolves by betrayal, all the isk stolen. IT rebirth and revenge. Goons disolves, all the isk stolen. IT disolves DRF takes down the NC(old coalition that was believed to be unbrakable). NC disolves DRF disolves
and many many other examples
Your post sure seems smart enough, and I am sure that you felt pretty smart posting it. Except everything that you said here is complete bunk, and utterly worthless. The real culprit behind every event that you stated was CCP spontaneously changing the game mechanics, or, a result of mechanics that were shotty in the first place. DRF took down the unbreakable NC because of CCP's Super carrier buff, Drone region macro mining and the sudden proliferation of supers. Goons died because they forgot to pay the rental bill ( a new ccp mechanic at the time) BOB died because CCP thinks it's ok for sov 5 to go poof with a click of a button, instead of the 24 stasis req for anything else of importance in eve. Also, directors cannot declare war so why can they kill everything when people are sleeping? IT alliance died because they needed to become goons in terms of sheer number, just so they could deal with dominions new mechanics and pay the sov bills. They needed the rent, and that bred discourse among the old timers who have been playing the game together since the beginning. So you see no sand box. No sand box at all. These changes were directly precipitated by CCP's **** ups, and if they had not done these thing there would still be a BOB, a goonswarm and an NC. So please put a cork in it, because you have no idea what you are talking about.
You're an idiot. BOB was all but dead 2 months before the disband. The NC was always a rotten paper tiger and fell apart when the drf blew on it. IT lost fountain because of inferior numbers they would have lost it for the same reason if dominion had never happened. |
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