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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
488
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Posted - 2015.12.15 01:51:15 -
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sue Abbott wrote:Fybs wrote:iv just heard 8 what squad just sat and watched on the undock while one of its guards gets killed by 4 of us on jita. good looking out for eachother that would be true, shame we was helping blues out, if we was ready sure thing, let role but saying that, The Marmite Collective like 2 bring 20 to 4 people...
so what you are saying is they can easily overpower what squad
you should have probs looked into those posting lessons. |
Fybs
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
524
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Posted - 2015.12.15 07:45:46 -
[6032] - Quote
sue Abbott wrote:Fybs wrote:iv just heard 8 what squad just sat and watched on the undock while one of its guards gets killed by 4 of us on jita. good looking out for eachother that would be true, shame we was helping blues out, if we was ready sure thing, let role but saying that, The Marmite Collective like 2 bring 20 to 4 people...
20 to 4!
I thought we was dying and losing all our best players.
the way people are talking I don't think I would get 10 players in fleet....
Don't confuse kindness with weakness.
Beware the hand of Fybs.
Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2987
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Posted - 2015.12.15 08:25:25 -
[6033] - Quote
sue Abbott wrote:that would be true, shame we was helping blues out, if we was ready sure thing, let role but saying that, The Marmite Collective like 2 bring 20 to 4 people... Booohoo, you think your 7 Nestors werent enough to fight 4 Marmites ? You had 12 in Jita local. Holey gave you math lessons ? It shows.
sue Abbott wrote:so not true i killed vindi right after that and undock new gurd, get it right bro You killed it 1,5 hours later when those 4 Marmites left you finally alone. Get it right bro
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode : Removed an accidental lock. Nothing happened. whistles innocently
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gnshadowninja
Back Passage Explorer's What Squad
203
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Posted - 2015.12.15 10:51:26 -
[6034] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:You killed it 1,5 hours later when those 4 Marmites left you finally alone. Get it right bro
Guardian loss 22:53, Sues next kill 23:29. So not too sure where your getting this 1.5 hours and keeping our alliance docked
Get it right bro
Least our alliance members don't get kicked when they are having fun
So Tora, hows the corp recruitment going on?
M33P
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Fybs
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
525
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Posted - 2015.12.15 11:04:58 -
[6035] - Quote
gnshadowninja wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:You killed it 1,5 hours later when those 4 Marmites left you finally alone. Get it right bro Guardian loss 22:53, Sues next kill 23:29. So not too sure where your getting this 1.5 hours and keeping our alliance docked Get it right bro Least our alliance members don't get kicked when they are having fun So Tora, hows the corp recruitment going on?
you feeling ok bro?
there are talking about the Vidi kill.
https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99005881/
which was in fact 1.5 hours later....
Don't confuse kindness with weakness.
Beware the hand of Fybs.
Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2989
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Posted - 2015.12.15 11:08:04 -
[6036] - Quote
gnshadowninja wrote:Guardian loss 22:53, Sues next kill 23:29. So not too sure where your getting this 1.5 hours and keeping our alliance docked So Tora, hows the corp recruitment going on? I understand you're not all that smart cookies, but he said he killed a VINDICATOR right after the Guardian lose aka 2015-12-15 0:28 aka 1,5hour. It's ok if you want to smack talk, but maybe get your facts straight, so you don't look like a fool doing Hobosheet1 replies.
Recruitment, thank you for asking. In 2 days we have a meeting with a 60 men low sec/00 pvp corp that wants to join us. Something something.... daily Jita hot drops.... something
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode : Removed an accidental lock. Nothing happened. whistles innocently
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gnshadowninja
Back Passage Explorer's What Squad
203
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Posted - 2015.12.15 11:12:03 -
[6037] - Quote
Fybs wrote:gnshadowninja wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:You killed it 1,5 hours later when those 4 Marmites left you finally alone. Get it right bro Guardian loss 22:53, Sues next kill 23:29. So not too sure where your getting this 1.5 hours and keeping our alliance docked Get it right bro Least our alliance members don't get kicked when they are having fun So Tora, hows the corp recruitment going on? you feeling ok bro? there are talking about the Vidi kill. https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99005881/ which was in fact 1.5 hours later....
And if you read what was posted on the killmail then your understand what Tora was implying by his posts.
Quote:1,5 hours later when the evil Marmites are gone, he finally dares to undock again. Need more than those 7 Nestors ?
Which implies that he didn't undock for 1.5 hours and my post was simply pointing out that was incorrect.
M33P
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2989
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Posted - 2015.12.15 11:15:22 -
[6038] - Quote
sue Abbott wrote:that would be true, shame we was helping blues out, if we was ready sure thing, let role but saying that, The Marmite Collective like 2 bring 20 to 4 people... Booohoo, you think your 7 Nestors werent enough to fight 4 Marmites ? You had 12 in Jita local. Holey gave you math lessons ? It shows.
sue Abbott wrote:so not true i killed vindi right after that and undock new gurd, get it right bro You killed it 1,5 hours later when those 4 Marmites left you finally alone. Get it right bro
What part of Vindicator didnt you get ? Need English lessons ?
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode : Removed an accidental lock. Nothing happened. whistles innocently
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Fybs
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
525
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Posted - 2015.12.15 11:34:33 -
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look shadow you need to bare in mind me and tora wasn't there (we was too busy going through my new co-ceo duties) we know only what the 4 marmites told us.
which was your alliance sat undocked on jita and watched there team mate get killed.
personally I think that's worse then hiding docked up mate.
there literally just sat there....
maybe they twisted the events after but who hasn't ever done that before right?
Don't confuse kindness with weakness.
Beware the hand of Fybs.
Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
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Gigi Muvila
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.12.15 12:02:12 -
[6040] - Quote
Belthazor4011 wrote:Pro tip, if you magically get past 20+ Marmites because they have a reason to let you go. Don't go back to see if you actually got that lucky...
Yeah, like you killed me with your 15 big sized ships while i was doing lvl4 missions with rats on my head ? At least true mercenaries give you the chance to fight for your life even if they kill you.
Just to refresh some memory: Auvergne 0.9 Me: 1 Myrmidon You: 15 . 2xGarmur, Stratios, 2xCerberus, 2xCynabal and others.
You just managed to kill me when you went in with all ECMs and did in total : Damage:99,961
And i am a 7 mil SP pilot...
Very effective... |
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HoleySheet1
Renegade Armada. What Squad
728
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Posted - 2015.12.15 12:28:19 -
[6041] - Quote
gnshadowninja wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:You killed it 1,5 hours later when those 4 Marmites left you finally alone. Get it right bro Guardian loss 22:53, Sues next kill 23:29. So not too sure where your getting this 1.5 hours and keeping our alliance docked Get it right bro Least our alliance members don't get kicked when they are having fun So Tora, hows the corp recruitment going on?
I don't think it's going well. Marmite is Soooo 2013....you know when I used to average 500 kills a month. Look at them now....lucky if they get 500 kills/month in their whole alliance. Kind of sad really.
#deletemarmitetheweakpoof
Player driven Emperor of Amarr, no npc crap. Kneel before me.
https://zkillboard.com/system/30002187/topalltime
A magical Life Lesson :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xATi_9seuk
WAAAAAAZZZOOOOOO
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Fybs
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
525
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Posted - 2015.12.15 13:08:54 -
[6042] - Quote
HoleySheet1 wrote:gnshadowninja wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:You killed it 1,5 hours later when those 4 Marmites left you finally alone. Get it right bro Guardian loss 22:53, Sues next kill 23:29. So not too sure where your getting this 1.5 hours and keeping our alliance docked Get it right bro Least our alliance members don't get kicked when they are having fun So Tora, hows the corp recruitment going on? I don't think it's going well. Marmite is Soooo 2013....you know when I used to average 500 kills a month. Look at them now....lucky if they get 500 kills/month in their whole alliance. Kind of sad really. #deletemarmitetheweakpoof
you must really miss all the wars we suppled you holey.
how many kills are you getting a month in what squad I wonder?
p.s marmite has changed from hugging hub undocks like you did. so less overall kills is only natural.
Don't confuse kindness with weakness.
Beware the hand of Fybs.
Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
912
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Posted - 2015.12.15 13:28:21 -
[6043] - Quote
Gigi Muvila wrote:
At least true mercenaries give you the chance to fight for your life even if they kill you.
Oh, all the time. EVE is littered with honourables who'll find you, let you refit and balance their fleet accordingly. Happens all the time. You must have been very unlucky to come across such wastrels.
Frankly I'm disgusted.
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2990
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Posted - 2015.12.15 13:30:28 -
[6044] - Quote
Gigi Muvila wrote:Yeah, like you killed me with your 15 big sized ships while i was doing lvl4 missions with rats on my head ? At least true mercenaries give you the chance to fight for your life even if they kill you. Lol, and how would you know what true mercenaries do ? trust me on this, true mercenaries do what they're paid for. Kick the **** out of their war targets !
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode : Removed an accidental lock. Nothing happened. whistles innocently
Tora Bushido : Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
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Fybs
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
525
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Posted - 2015.12.15 13:55:31 -
[6045] - Quote
Mortlake wrote:Gigi Muvila wrote:
At least true mercenaries give you the chance to fight for your life even if they kill you.
Oh, all the time. EVE is littered with honourables who'll find you, let you refit and balance their fleet accordingly. Happens all the time. You must have been very unlucky to come across such wastrels. Frankly I'm disgusted.
Frankly so am I.
il be sure to give those involved a good seeing too.
Don't confuse kindness with weakness.
Beware the hand of Fybs.
Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
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sue Abbott
Hek Squad What Squad
18
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Posted - 2015.12.15 15:14:47 -
[6046] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:gnshadowninja wrote:Guardian loss 22:53, Sues next kill 23:29. So not too sure where your getting this 1.5 hours and keeping our alliance docked So Tora, hows the corp recruitment going on? I understand you're not all that smart cookies, but he said he killed a VINDICATOR right after the Guardian lose aka 2015-12-15 0:28 aka 1,5hour. It's ok if you want to smack talk, but maybe get your facts straight, so you don't look like a fool doing Hobosheet1 replies. Recruitment, thank you for asking. In 2 days we have a meeting with a 60 men low sec/00 pvp corp that wants to join us. Something something.... daily Jita hot drops.... something
shame that fight last about 1hour and half |
sue Abbott
Hek Squad What Squad
18
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Posted - 2015.12.15 15:21:02 -
[6047] - Quote
Fybs wrote: look shadow you need to bare in mind me and tora wasn't there (we was too busy going through my new co-ceo duties) we know only what the 4 marmites told us.
which was your alliance sat undocked on jita and watched there team mate get killed.
personally I think that's worse then hiding docked up mate.
there literally just sat there....
maybe they twisted the events after but who hasn't ever done that before right?
But saying that we was helpping blues out and your blues, so what we ment 2 do night like we can just get fleet ready right off the top and we didnt know you guys was warping in. if so we could had fleet......
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Fybs
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
525
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Posted - 2015.12.15 16:10:22 -
[6048] - Quote
sue Abbott wrote:Fybs wrote: look shadow you need to bare in mind me and tora wasn't there (we was too busy going through my new co-ceo duties) we know only what the 4 marmites told us.
which was your alliance sat undocked on jita and watched there team mate get killed.
personally I think that's worse then hiding docked up mate.
there literally just sat there....
maybe they twisted the events after but who hasn't ever done that before right?
But saying that we was helpping blues out and your blues, so what we ment 2 do night like we can just get fleet ready right off the top and we didnt know you guys was warping in. if so we could had fleet......
like I said Sue I wasn't there.
so by what your saying the marmites had a lucky escape.
Don't confuse kindness with weakness.
Beware the hand of Fybs.
Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
9713
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Posted - 2015.12.15 16:19:12 -
[6049] - Quote
HoleySheet1 wrote: #deletemarmitetheweakpoof
No one likes a homophobe. Reported
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow The Pursuit of Happiness
1206
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Posted - 2015.12.15 16:27:14 -
[6050] - Quote
sue Abbott wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:gnshadowninja wrote:Guardian loss 22:53, Sues next kill 23:29. So not too sure where your getting this 1.5 hours and keeping our alliance docked So Tora, hows the corp recruitment going on? I understand you're not all that smart cookies, but he said he killed a VINDICATOR right after the Guardian lose aka 2015-12-15 0:28 aka 1,5hour. It's ok if you want to smack talk, but maybe get your facts straight, so you don't look like a fool doing Hobosheet1 replies. Recruitment, thank you for asking. In 2 days we have a meeting with a 60 men low sec/00 pvp corp that wants to join us. Something something.... daily Jita hot drops.... something shame that fight last about 1hour and half Sue's rocking D-cups and beating tora's a** with them. |
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sue Abbott
Hek Squad What Squad
19
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Posted - 2015.12.15 19:10:30 -
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Re: Good Luck From: Tora Bushido Sent: 2015.12.15 18:59 To: sue Abbott,
You do know, many more alliances have challenged me before, didnt take it seriously and got disbanded. Dont say I didnt gave you a choice. If you have hundreds of millions in wallet, people will turn on you once I paying more of them ;-)
Enjoy,
Tora
Ps. Nice kill.
http://prntscr.com/9ek8gk
Who gives a monkey, If you have the isk, I DONT CARE lol, or the rest of us, you have to many enemies so I think you need to chill out bro I dont need to pay people to do my work for me, I have people who like to fly with me and not need to pay them in return. and you dont know what I know, Go ahead and permit war dec us, seem we are at war already
DONT REPORT THIS POST AS THATS SOMETHINK YOU LIKE TO DO, Cant take it dont give it |
HoleySheet1
Renegade Armada. What Squad
732
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Posted - 2015.12.15 19:53:02 -
[6052] - Quote
Fybs wrote:HoleySheet1 wrote:gnshadowninja wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:You killed it 1,5 hours later when those 4 Marmites left you finally alone. Get it right bro Guardian loss 22:53, Sues next kill 23:29. So not too sure where your getting this 1.5 hours and keeping our alliance docked Get it right bro Least our alliance members don't get kicked when they are having fun So Tora, hows the corp recruitment going on? I don't think it's going well. Marmite is Soooo 2013....you know when I used to average 500 kills a month. Look at them now....lucky if they get 500 kills/month in their whole alliance. Kind of sad really. #deletemarmitetheweakpoof you must really miss all the wars we suppled you holey. how many kills are you getting a month in what squad I wonder? p.s marmite has changed from hugging hub undocks like you did. so less overall kills is only natural.
Well, I'm still #3 for all time kills in marmite. I believe 1 and 2 enjoyed popping in hubs too. Does that annoy you? I didn't see you in the top 10..
What squad is great...I actually enjoy their company, unlike most marmitians. Sue is a good leader, unlike bullshitto. He provides us with lots of targets.
I don't play as much as I used to so yes, I'm happy with less kills. I wish you would see the light and realize the great marmite fc fybs is just another follower of the Holey Nation, and you've been duped by your puppet master overlord into believing a fairy tale.
Marmite was built on my doctrines, remember that. Tora knows this well and it must bother him lots as it appears he is losing his cool....and members, and respect, etc.
Have a wonderful day.
Player driven Emperor of Amarr, no npc crap. Kneel before me.
https://zkillboard.com/system/30002187/topalltime
A magical Life Lesson :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xATi_9seuk
WAAAAAAZZZOOOOOO
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Fybs
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
526
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Posted - 2015.12.15 23:15:55 -
[6053] - Quote
HoleySheet1 wrote:Fybs wrote:HoleySheet1 wrote:gnshadowninja wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:You killed it 1,5 hours later when those 4 Marmites left you finally alone. Get it right bro Guardian loss 22:53, Sues next kill 23:29. So not too sure where your getting this 1.5 hours and keeping our alliance docked Get it right bro Least our alliance members don't get kicked when they are having fun So Tora, hows the corp recruitment going on? I don't think it's going well. Marmite is Soooo 2013....you know when I used to average 500 kills a month. Look at them now....lucky if they get 500 kills/month in their whole alliance. Kind of sad really. #deletemarmitetheweakpoof you must really miss all the wars we suppled you holey. how many kills are you getting a month in what squad I wonder? p.s marmite has changed from hugging hub undocks like you did. so less overall kills is only natural. Well, I'm still #3 for all time kills in marmite. I believe 1 and 2 enjoyed popping in hubs too. Does that annoy you? I didn't see you in the top 10.. What squad is great...I actually enjoy their company, unlike most marmitians. Sue is a good leader, unlike bullshitto. He provides us with lots of targets. I don't play as much as I used to so yes, I'm happy with less kills. I wish you would see the light and realize the great marmite fc fybs is just another follower of the Holey Nation, and you've been duped by your puppet master overlord into believing a fairy tale. Marmite was built on my doctrines, remember that. Tora knows this well and it must bother him lots as it appears he is losing his cool....and members, and respect, etc. Have a wonderful day.
i find it hard to pretend to be enemys with you holey.
you always made me laugh.
Merry Xmas and new year to you and your family holey.
Don't confuse kindness with weakness.
Beware the hand of Fybs.
Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2996
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Posted - 2015.12.16 00:52:18 -
[6054] - Quote
sue Abbott wrote: But saying that we was helpping blues out and your blues, so what we ment 2 do night like we can just get fleet ready right off the top and we didnt know you guys was warping in. if so we could had fleet...... Someone here speaks Hobosheets ? No idea what you're saying here
I love a good challenge, you're my next target
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode : Removed an accidental lock. Nothing happened. whistles innocently
Tora Bushido : Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
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HoleySheet1
Renegade Armada. What Squad
733
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Posted - 2015.12.16 01:09:31 -
[6055] - Quote
Merry Christmas to and yours too Fybs. I think we had some good times.....not on the station if I recall.
I just cant abide being called drug-addicted and crazy by your leader. He is displaying some rather antisocial and sociopathic properties now that his empire is shaking...(weird mails to my alliance-mates etc). I am a family man and a hard-working civil servant for the past 16 years and his lies and slander of me become bothersome after a fahion....sigh.
I've been wardecced by you guys since I departed marmite and made my own solo corp (even though I have been inactive for most of it) so none of this is new to me. I would link the mail from tora about erasing my corp and me etc....but I cant be bothered.
In response to your earlier post, I don't miss marmite at all. The wars were ok, but the atmosphere was terrible. Months of boredom and other variables not worth mentioning made my decision for me to quit. As well, you guys were of no help to me as at the time it was Euro heavy.
I do tend to ramble...I wonder if thatll be quoted...
Again Merry Christmas Fybs
Player driven Emperor of Amarr, no npc crap. Kneel before me.
https://zkillboard.com/system/30002187/topalltime
A magical Life Lesson :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xATi_9seuk
WAAAAAAZZZOOOOOO
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
491
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Posted - 2015.12.16 01:13:50 -
[6056] - Quote
HoleySheet1 wrote:Merry Christmas to and yours too Fybs. I think we had some good times.....not on the station if I recall.
I just cant abide being called drug-addicted and crazy by your leader. He is displaying some rather antisocial and sociopathic properties now that his empire is shaking...(weird mails to my alliance-mates etc). I am a family man and a hard-working civil servant for the past 16 years and his lies and slander of me become bothersome after a fahion....sigh.
I've been wardecced by you guys since I departed marmite and made my own solo corp (even though I have been inactive for most of it) so none of this is new to me. I would link the mail from tora about erasing my corp and me etc....but I cant be bothered.
In response to your earlier post, I don't miss marmite at all. The wars were ok, but the atmosphere was terrible. Months of boredom and other variables not worth mentioning made my decision for me to quit. As well, you guys were of no help to me as at the time it was Euro heavy.
I do tend to ramble...I wonder if thatll be quoted...
Again Merry Christmas Fybs
In this attempt, he trys to split a wedge between "fybs" and his "leader".
Defo American, entitlement etc.
no monocle though. |
HoleySheet1
Renegade Armada. What Squad
733
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Posted - 2015.12.16 01:20:54 -
[6057] - Quote
I should buy myself one for Christmas...but itll make me look dumb....like....idk....someone we all know...
Player driven Emperor of Amarr, no npc crap. Kneel before me.
https://zkillboard.com/system/30002187/topalltime
A magical Life Lesson :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xATi_9seuk
WAAAAAAZZZOOOOOO
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ISD Atomic Dove
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
74
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Posted - 2015.12.16 08:20:39 -
[6058] - Quote
Good Evening,
I've removed an inflammatory post, please remember to remain as civil as possible when interacting with each other over the forums and not to break the rules.
Quote: Chatlogs and "fanmail"
The posting of chatlogs and EVEmails is not permitted, as past experience has shown us that these have a tendency to incite flames and trolling.
An exception to this is the Pirate Stories Thread, where players can post chatlogs (with the names of victims/counterparts blanked out) as part of a pirate story or experience.
ISD Atomic Dove
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2997
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Posted - 2015.12.16 08:24:25 -
[6059] - Quote
The Marmite Collective has been adapting to a more actively hunting alliance. We kicked out most of the trade hub huggers. To mark this point in time, we've created a new forum post, [MERC] The Marmite Collective V2.0.
The Marmite Collective 1.0 is gone, long live the new Marmite Collective 2.0.
No worries, we'll be coming for you soon!
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode : Removed an accidental lock. Nothing happened. whistles innocently
Tora Bushido : Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
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HoleySheet1
Renegade Armada. What Squad
733
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Posted - 2015.12.16 12:32:56 -
[6060] - Quote
It'll be as bad as the first incarnation. When I don't see a marmite at a hub....I'm sure the sun will rise from the west. We'll see how long until marmite 3.0 or a rollback to 1.0.
Foo rap lost a sensor boosted cynabal. Delete this weak this week. Just sayin'
Player driven Emperor of Amarr, no npc crap. Kneel before me.
https://zkillboard.com/system/30002187/topalltime
A magical Life Lesson :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xATi_9seuk
WAAAAAAZZZOOOOOO
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