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Posted - 2012.07.08 16:28:00 -
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Lucy Ferrr wrote:Rene Fullchest wrote:Well, you know, it's not like CCP just gave all the tech to the CFC. We fought for it, took it, and hold it.
Not our problem that we were good enough to do so, nor is it CCP's.
If you truly feel that you, no one, will ever be able to take enough to compete, you should probably unsubscribe, because we certainly are not going to stop defending it. Don't say we. You are no Goon, you are a lowly pet. There was no we, Goons fought for it and took it. Your masters just threw you a bone as condolences for all the rug burns on your knees. .
http://crackerjax.org/gwiki/GoonWIki/wiki.goonfleet.com/Deklein.html
Quote: In Summer 2010, following the Delve fiasco and the Cloud Ring fiasco, goons were invited to move to Deklein and stay on TCF's couch. Couple of months later, TCF decided they didn't want that region anyway and have moved to Venal, handing sovereignty of Deklein over to the Goonswarm Federation.
More bullsh1t please. LOL Fought for it. |
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Posted - 2012.07.08 16:45:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:forestwho wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:TL;DR Goons and pals control all the tech, and I can't be arsed to do anything about it. Want that tech? take it, just like they did. :effort: :teamwork: Cant if the current holders buys corps, strenght and has untimited reimbursement powers. Read my post properly pls i'm sorry but the people in null sec who didn't bother to try and take the tech moons have nobody to blame but themselves. this situation is a direct result of their own actions or lack of.
So tell me about Bropact?
Seems like you shave a tech moon and you get 1200 sceamers in local that live from Fountain, all the way around to Gem. |
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Posted - 2012.07.08 16:51:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:
So tell me about Bropact?
Seems like you shave a tech moon and you get 1200 sceamers in local that live from Fountain, all the way around to Gem.
So get a bigger bropact. They can get 1200 dudes why cant you?[/quote]
SoCo has NEVER fielded a fleet that big, as in there isn't enough of the rest of the map.
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Posted - 2012.07.08 16:59:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:Dave stark wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:Dave stark wrote:
i'll tell you about bropact when you tell me, in detail, about your in-game efforts to change who owns the tech moons.
Be fair they deployed, they tried, they died in a fire. which station did they stage a sit-in for that? Somewhere in placid apparently. They shot a pl moon 1 jump from where they were staging and couldn't take it.
We took it, DNS actually shaved it, so we let them have it. They held it for 17 hours or some such.
That is the terrible -A- diplomacy you always scream about.
All of the POS mods are on my KB if you have any doubts. |
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:04:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:
I wouldn't go quite that far. I mean maka raging would provide at least some humour.
Maka rage is great, I look forward to Maka foaming when I jump in coms, that means there is some **** and its going to be fun. When he's calm, its usually a structure shoot.
Cameron Cahill wrote:
17 hours is hardly op success... I mean did they even get any tech out of it? Like enough to pay for the dead tower?
You missed the DNS part. They shaved it, they got the moon, we just gave the numbers to kill the POS. They are in no other way affiliated -A- or the SoC0, they are WAY north for us. |
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:15:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:dexington wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:If only 10% of high sec dwellers were to form an alliance, they would likely out number even the largest null sec alliance by 7 to 1. Judging from the public opinion on the forum, you are better off staying in empire. The 0.0 population use to much time complaining about how bad everything is in 0.0, empire seem like a nice place why would anyone leave? Living in empire means more time to shoot at red dots and less time complaining on the forums, and you don't have to take part in the space politics, which seems to be mostly posting on the forums about how great you corp/alliance is, and how terrible everyone else is. There is probably only two ways to get 10% to leave empire space, the carrot or the whip. Seeing how there is nothing that comes close to being a carrot, nothing is happening unless ccp nerf empire space to hell. My point is that if Empire Dwellers do not like the way things are right now, the same tools that Goonswarm et al have used to build their empire are also available for high sec dwellers. If they choose not avail themselves of said tools, then complaining about the way things are at present is as pointless as two bald men fighting over a comb. It should not require CCP stepping in to solve the problems of either group (barring the possible redistribution of Tech moons). EVE has always been about player choices over and above any mechanic, nerf or buff. If players cannot make the effort to get off their comfortably padded couches and do something for themselves, then they should expect nothing to change.
I don't completley agree here.
Your choices currently are rent, or NPC space if you want to go on your own.
Some corps have pulled it, Black Aces went from renter, to trial, to member and onward in -A-. I wish them luck, they were chill as **** to fly with.
NPC space has issues with ability of denial, and renting has basically SOV bills. Eitherway there are bigger fish.
Fact is that supers drive null, and you can't build supers without sov, you "may" be able to buy them, but they don't appear from air, and there isn't a huge market, generally the people with the ability and the security to build them don't farm them out.
All good also.
The catch 22 is you need sov to build supers and you need supers to hold sov. |
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:19:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:If all the people who whine about the CFC and their tech holdings banded together they could probably field equal or greater numbers than the CFC in the battle for tech control, but they won't, why? because they're all too busy squabbling with each other to actually pull their fingers out of their posteriors and do something about it.
/me dons flame retardant suit
They tried and CCP changed the wardec system.
Which actually worked for us, PL had about 35 hi-sec corps arrayed against -A- at the time. |
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:29:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:Onictus wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:If all the people who whine about the CFC and their tech holdings banded together they could probably field equal or greater numbers than the CFC in the battle for tech control, but they won't, why? because they're all too busy squabbling with each other to actually pull their fingers out of their posteriors and do something about it.
/me dons flame retardant suit They tried and CCP changed the wardec system. Which actually worked for us, PL had about 35 hi-sec corps arrayed against -A- at the time. Cause tech moons are in Hi-sec........
Oh who were the first to scream when there were 4000 "pubies" arrayed against them? We changed our logistics routes, you guys cried all over the place. |
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:52:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:forestwho wrote:Doesnt matter all, fact is..... 0.0 is numbers and super... both are easy to be bought with isk and isk promises to good corporations. Fact is, exessively amount of isks on one side is not healty and is severly disbalancing the game for many years to come.... The one side took the isk. if its not balanced then its the other sides fault for not seeing their chance and taking it for themselves.
You were handed that ****, do I have to go link it off you wiki AGAIN? Don't make me go back though my post history. |
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:58:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Onictus wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:forestwho wrote:Doesnt matter all, fact is..... 0.0 is numbers and super... both are easy to be bought with isk and isk promises to good corporations. Fact is, exessively amount of isks on one side is not healty and is severly disbalancing the game for many years to come.... The one side took the isk. if its not balanced then its the other sides fault for not seeing their chance and taking it for themselves. You were handed that ****, do I have to go link it off you wiki AGAIN? Don't make me go back though my post history. But what about the other half of the galaxy we conquered
Rather be lucky then good.
I'm not hating, that's how it works. |
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:05:00 -
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Xpaulusx wrote:This was a problem before CFC, even before old NC, in fact it was Mitti himself who complian about TEC so you cant point the finger at CFC, its CCP fault with the endless footdragging on this issue. Scream at CCP not fellow Gamers.
Tinfoil says CCP is Goons
...not really but squeaky wheel gets the grease, and they squeak like mad. |
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:28:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Onictus wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:forestwho wrote:Doesnt matter all, fact is..... 0.0 is numbers and super... both are easy to be bought with isk and isk promises to good corporations. Fact is, exessively amount of isks on one side is not healty and is severly disbalancing the game for many years to come.... The one side took the isk. if its not balanced then its the other sides fault for not seeing their chance and taking it for themselves. You were handed that ****, do I have to go link it off you wiki AGAIN? Don't make me go back though my post history. we inherited like 20 tech moons from TCF after the merger we took the other 50-60 tech moons we have
Pretty easy when you sit on your laurels.
Only conflict you got involved in was on DRF's side, and you didn't to jack there either.
WN was Horus'd Raiden. was an inside job (or a Goon spy) neither or which could be claimed as a military victory. Oddly you never tried against NC. There were scraps, but othing real.
You zerged Raiden with what 180 dreads to kill a Titan, and lost half of that fleet. If you can't beat them join them right?
So what do you do against an allaince that doesn't really care about space? Its been proven repeatedly that -A- is dead, and couldn't possibly do anything. Yet here we are, the leader of the SoCo, by default. We don't play your game. Bring that ****.
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waving the hand as a (lol) "badposter" |
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:38:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote: How was Raiden. an inside job? and if you don't care about space why do you hold it? why were you planning to take fountain and cr if you 'dont want space'?
Raiden lost all of their SOV short of a few stations and like 2 systems when a founding corp took the rental income, and swapped SOV from rental holding corp to Rolling Thunder and bagged ass.
There was no military conquering there either, a bit of sadistic opportunism, but that's eve. |
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:40:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:Pardon this comparison a bit as it may be slightly offensive to some but...
I see any good and active corp/alliance as a cancer: it keeps growing and growing if it's not challenged or kept in check. Only way to reduce it is to fight it head on. If it's grown as big and fat as Goon and allies then yeah, no one to blame but the passive onlookers.
Want to beat goons and take their space/moons/whatever? Start gritting away, isk by isk. They may brag their asses off about having unlimited funding, but that statement is not entirely true. Yeah, they may have funding beyond comprehension, but hey, that's the long road that you passive folks created yourselves. So start walking it. Sure, the current mechanics may be far from ideal, and whilst I at least won't deny the hard work that must have been put into creating such a huge alliance, I also think that some aspects are too far on the "easy" road when it comes to managing such huge groups/controlling so much space.
As for the resources, I've said it before that the way resources work and are spread in the universe really could use a revamp. Again, that's just another one ingredient out of many which makes the nice cake that is called "unwillingness to venture to null-sec".
The way I see it, if CCP is capable of making a better cake that can improve traffic to null-sec, maybe then more people would eventually begin that long walk on that Goonie road.
Very Zen, but ineffective in the long run. |
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:47:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote: Ineffectiveness is just another word for lack of determination in EVE as far as I can tell. And here I thought that this game was supposed to be a sandbox where player determination can achieve anything through hard work. Like Goonies.
Number account for a lot.
They have numbers at least. |
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Posted - 2012.07.09 01:01:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Ping Pang Pong wrote: And how is this any different than what DoucheSwarm and their pets are doing to SoCo right now? All I have seen from Goons and their pets is bitching and moaning that they can't get SoCo to undock and fight. Why would they undock when as soon as they do you cyno in a fleet that is 5-6x the size of theirs?
As I have stated in other threads the Goons and their pets are utterly pathetic at PvP, and will run at the first sign of a fair fight. By fair fight I mean an incoming fleet that is half their size or more. You have been taking massive losses whenever you do actually decide to engage in a fight, and that only happens when SoCo chases a fleet halfway around the universe.
The most fighting I see out of Goons and their pets is forum warrioring. Is it some kind of rule that whenever the goons are mentioned in a thread that you all dog pile your asshattery into them?
You can post on your Soco main. Getting kicked out of your alliance for showing your real face is probably the best thing that could happen to you right now. An anonymous forum alt talking about bravery is pretty hilarious.
What makes you think we need forum alts? |
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Posted - 2012.07.09 10:32:00 -
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Delnas Sapphire wrote:Soco being fined for talking in local? Soco being told to shut up everytime they speak in TS? Soco having maka whelp fleets everytime he undocks? Soco having mandatory ops and directors chewing corps out if someone misses one?
You wonder why people don't beat GS, this is just one war and the reason they are winning is because they aren't full of ****** rules and are actually able to enjoy themselves whilst other 0.0 entities act like a dictatorship.
Once alliances start to realize treating your members like **** doesn't work they might actually be able to mount a proper offensive.
Huh?
You aren't supposed to yap in local in fleet, this far from unique to SoCo. It's more about class. People get told to shut up in fleets, specifically if they are backdoor FCing. You want to FC put up a fleet, nothing is stopping you. Otherwise, its pretty much die quietly, follow orders and don't bump the titan. If by whelp you mean lose ships to superior numbers.....Meh. We come out ahead in 9:10 engagements. The only BRdocs Ive seen were the Loki fleet you guys zerged 4 : 1 and C3N
What mandatory OPs? There was nothing after C3N and even I have never seen people taking attendance. It may be a corp thing, but we aren't out here to rat, if there is a CTA fleet up. I' ve never heard of attendance being taken, we are an international alliance, people have jobs NO ONE makes every CTA for a campaign. Can we try to keep it at least slightly within reason. |
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Posted - 2012.07.11 07:51:00 -
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I would really love to see how many accounts the average low sec player holds.
There are people out here with TWENTY accounts, I'm starting to feel restricted with just two. I'd damn near bet the average nullbear has three.....on the low end. |
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Posted - 2012.07.11 08:00:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Don't understand why anyone would keep playing a game that makes them so angry and bitter.
OP is upset that he was told that he would have to earn his own ISK to buy his own ships, and that the ops were mandatory attendance if you're logged in. They don't care if you're an industrialist, if you're logged in you're required to fit a ship, fleet up, and sit in station; even if it's a badger.
SoCo won't reimburse most of their losses anymore. Now there are a bunch of mad SoCo members who think its unfair for other groups to be able to do what his leadership is to incompetent to do themselves; hence they want tech nerfs now because they just found out that the alliance is running out of money.
How ****** is it to log into a game you pay for and have some douchebag tell you that you HAVE to farm ISK when there isn't any fighting to pay for your own ships that you're REQUIRED to fly because they threaten you with bans and fines if you're logged in and not in fleet when they tell you.
Why the **** do you guys put up with that bullshit? Instead of being mad at us how about you start taking matters into your own hands by removing the douchebags that are ruining the game for you by telling you how and when to play. You guys might actually be able to get somewhere if you stopped letting those pompous dickheads run your game time.
Jesus Christ, grow some balls and put together a better alliance, headed by people who aren't egomaniacal twats who think they're you ******* boss in a video game.
I don't know whats worse, the guys in charge or you sad sacks who stick with them.
The only problem with tech is that you guys are letting your alliances be run by a group of inept wanna be dictators, to incompetent to take it from us. You are the problem, not us.
Get smart or keep being miserable.
Y U mad?
It was a good splerge largely bullshit, but nice.
Our reimbursement hasn't changed this year, and we don't have industrialists, AAAC is that way, and they generally don' t run ops |
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Posted - 2012.07.11 09:26:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Arkon Olacar wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:As for wrestling out your own spot in the world - everything is possible and nobody is undefeatable. If anything, oldschool Goons with their cheap frigate tactics back in the day can serve as a perfect example of what a focused, determined bunch of players can do. But if one expects to have it easy, one should stay in high sec. With a half decent FC and a ten minute fleet ops 101 lesson, yes you can take mission runners (with lots of juicy sp) and miners (these guys are useless) and kill leet pvp players, I've seen it done with total noobs all the time. Considering the newbies in the fleets, I think you'd be ok with rifters. The problem is updating your clone will cost you a good bit more than it would the newbie. Oh, and you'd be losing training because obviously not going to use +5s in Bubble-land. Oh and you could be making isk in highsec ~safely~. Hmm, well ...
Oh noes, not Meh training time.
Granted it kinda sucks, but really at 30-40mil you should have a pretty solid combat skill set. Not to mention the most pump ship gets dull pretty fast in missions. I'll usually run a +4 for whatever my primary is, and they collect so I end up with a couple 150 nil pods lost, but that's just the cost of doing business.
Running 19 jumps through three camsp with a velator and a bomber, much more lively. |
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Posted - 2012.07.11 09:38:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Lord Zim wrote:+whatever-using scrubs. real men train without implants. Real men PvP without updated med-clones.
Done that, last weekend actually......fortunately, it was only 4 hours.....because the skill was AWU V.
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Posted - 2012.07.11 12:20:00 -
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http://soundcloud.com/sindel-pellion/titan
LOL who sang it so I can, throw them some isk. That was hilarios. |
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Posted - 2012.07.11 12:33:00 -
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Andrey Wartooth wrote:Onictus wrote:http://soundcloud.com/sindel-pellion/titan
LOL who sang it so I can, throw them some isk. That was hilarios. I'm guessing Sindel Pellion of TEST. I'm glad you are taking losing all your space so well.
Why so serious?
I'm just a hired gun, on my end, all I need is a target, and FC and maybe a Titan pilot to get me there and I'm happy, if I'm in SOV space or NPC means no nevermind to me.
I didn't move to null to build outposts and fuel POS's. |
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