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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
115
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:41:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Because GSF has never used bomber gangs to counter BS fleets in the past when bombs weren't broken.
Can we get Mr. Vee in here?
No, it's only unfair to people who are bad with bombers and need to use a patching error to make them work.
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March rabbit
R.I.P. Legion Red Alliance
211
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:06:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: This is a fallacy. Prior to us saying "we're heading south to burn your **** to the ground", you guys had 800+ in fleet. 2 days after, and it was "wololol retreat to NPC stain".
i'm new to Eve (second year in 0.0 sov)... Have only seen 150-200 fleets.... And like 500+ from you (switch forum char, you lost mark "CFC pet"). Where did you see 800+ in fleet?
Lord Zim wrote: SBs aren't nerfed, they're changed back to what they had before CCP ****** with missiles etc, which means you have to actually think a bit before lobbing bombs, instead of essentially doing a 256 man bombing run which is able to put aeons into armor in one volley.
Not really. In theory bombs should be used in groups by 7 at a time. Then attack can destroy BS. Now you launch 1 bomb at a time. 1 bomb can't even blow frigate without MWD... So i'm not sure what is purpose of SBs these days Only if target will sit there and wait for next SB attack.... and next....
Lord Zim wrote:March rabbit wrote:Was watching few days ago how some fleet undocked and started fight. Immediately you droped lots of dreads/supers/titans on it. We're not there for good fights, we're there to burn your **** to the ground. Deal with it by throwing away makalu get someone competent to actually plan your war for you. Constantly being camped in 319 and following makalu 'yipe yipe yipe' zarya isn't going to work. Well. Personally i have more interesting stuff than sitting on undock for hours and shitting into local chat (you do realise all of your alliances are already in Block list of any reasonable person?). RL stuff, whatever. So you can enjoy it and i will act when you leave And this war is giving me loads of ISK. Thanks for your visit. Just dock and buy my stuff! |
Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
114
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:37:00 -
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Hi Sec whiners heres an idea - Band together and take yourselves to Null and wrench the Pinatas from the current incumbents.... If this is too much hard work or too complex you wont win EVE. I have tin foil hat trained to 5. |
Lord Zim
990
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Posted - 2012.07.09 16:12:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Not really. In theory bombs should be used in groups by 7 at a time. Then attack can destroy BS. Now you launch 1 bomb at a time. 1 bomb can't even blow frigate without MWD... So i'm not sure what is purpose of SBs these days Only if target will sit there and wait for next SB attack.... and next.... You know what, somehow I'd completely forgotten they'd managed to **** the fix up by forgetting to reapply resists. My bad. vOv |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
843
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Posted - 2012.07.09 16:23:00 -
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Gas thread and ban OP. . |
Vellen Thoss
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.07.09 17:41:00 -
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forestwho wrote:due your repetable failures
This is not about nerfing tech, this is about injecting sooo much isk in an alliance by broken game mechannics that it is impossible to counter them in several arms races. Resulting in several things:
Unlimited reimbursent power; -Basicly this gives the abillity to suicie fleet after fleet to ware the oppoment isk pool down.
Unlimited capital ship buying power; -Abllity to fully fund allaince super capitals and reimburse them and not getting an financial injury when losing.
Strenghten the individual corporations of a tech alliance more -By having lots of isk for those corps they are able to purchase more and better support for there members. Think hereby about setting up logi chains with corp JF's, hireing FC's and free roaming ship reimbursements.
Giving those alliances a better moral and a better pubic image due more isk -Good FC's tend to join such allaices as they are getting payed in isk and getting their ships fully reimbursed. This creates a chain of affects that boost internal alli moral (more stuff/roams to do) and increases overall public image
Exellent Alliance Recruitment -Those allainces can take in more and better corps due promising them isk every month. Why shouldnt join an allaince that reimburse all your losses freely, hands out free supers and payes you 10-20b a month for just being there...
This is an armsrace that will effects eve for a long long time. Due poor game desighn and repeatable negection of serious issues like this i come to the conclusion that you have learned nothing so far CCP. The only way to fix this a little bit is insta removing tech from tech moons and NPC seed it at current prices untill ringmining is introduced. The excess isk gained should be removed to a level thats acceptable, something thats upto you to decide. The biggest reson for this to do it now is due ISK stocking. When the amount of isk that an allaice gains is soo high that they can save up 500 billion isk a month, something must be serious wrong. When an alliance has over 10 Trillion in savings and gaining another 500 billion a month something is not right.... Expecialy when it is publicly known that CCP employees have high ranks in that allaince. A serious Public Image Threat for you marketing department and your customer base.
Empires rise and fall.
Even in Star Wars, the Empire had all the iskies, had all the death stars and people and millions of laser cannon fodder (TIE Fighters) but a rag tag group with probably less than 2 full fleets managed to take them down.
Just because CFC and TEST are populous and possess numerous assets, does not make them unstoppable.
Changing game mechanics is not the way to go. Let the people sort out their own problems.
Kinda how I raise my kids. For better or worse, this game is a pure sandbox and (ideally) CCP keeps their hand out of the gears as much as possible. |
Ping Pang Pong
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.07.09 17:55:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:March rabbit wrote:
[quote=March rabbit]And when your 300-500+ drake fleet is sitting outside of a station nothing below this numbers can get your out. Before this "fix" there was conter to blobs - SB gangs. Not it is not exists.
SBs aren't nerfed, they're changed back to what they had before CCP ****** with missiles etc, which means you have to actually think a bit before lobbing bombs, instead of essentially doing a 256 man bombing run which is able to put aeons into armor in one volley. .
Isn't it rather strange that CCP steps in and changes bombs directly after CFC gets an entire drake fleet knocked out by an SB run? I mean, bombs have been the way they were for years. Suddenly it is used against the goons and *ring ring* the batphone goes off and CCP gets to work to make sure the CFC isn't hit again by this mechanic that had been in game for years. Sad really.
I wouldn't be surprised if we had the GM's stepping in and nuking SoCo ships for the CFC like they did for the goons during a wardec a while back. 10 minute petition answer, direct out of game communications with CCP devs, opposing forces ships start to go *pop* out of the blue.
Nepotism in its truest form. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8451
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Posted - 2012.07.09 17:59:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Gas thread and ban OP. Why is it always that and not the other way around? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Charles Baker
Federal Mineral Acquisition
27
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Posted - 2012.07.09 18:00:00 -
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Galadriel Vasquez wrote:Hi Sec whiners heres an idea - Band together and take yourselves to Null and wrench the Pinatas from the current incumbents.... If this is too much hard work or too complex you wont win EVE.
Careful it's not like CVA would be a hard nut to crack |
baltec1
Bat Country
1616
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Posted - 2012.07.09 18:05:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote:Xython wrote:AlleyKat wrote:Only difference is that BoB actually had the respect and the money, instead of just the money.
BoB. Respect? Ow. My sense of irony just sprained itself. It wasn't open to debate; attempting to rewrite history will not erase my memory. It also was not my intention to remind you of painful truths to offend you; sorry if that was the impression you got. AK
Cant say I ever respected BoB. |
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baltec1
Bat Country
1616
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Posted - 2012.07.09 18:07:00 -
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Charles Baker wrote:Galadriel Vasquez wrote:Hi Sec whiners heres an idea - Band together and take yourselves to Null and wrench the Pinatas from the current incumbents.... If this is too much hard work or too complex you wont win EVE. Careful it's not like CVA would be a hard nut to crack
CVA is impossible to kill. We all have tried it and it just keeps on comming back like a bad rash. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1289
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Posted - 2012.07.09 18:08:00 -
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Ping Pang Pong wrote:words
Thanks for your opinion hisec guy but bombs never worked that way until CCP bugged them in inferno
I'm sure you'd know this since you have so much experience with bombs in hisec
Oh and we've been keeping the bill paid on the SF/Honda wars now that they can't be mutual a rogue goon |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1289
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Posted - 2012.07.09 18:11:00 -
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No but please keep thinking Raidendot is or ever was a strong, stable alliance and not a loose alliance of high-SP retired mission runners and ex-BoB bittervets that depended entirely on amassing several of one ridiculously unbalanced shiptype that has been the subject of so many nerfs over the years
I mean surely they were so skilled that they could have avoided losing all of their space by kicking the holding corp that holds most of it right??? Oh wait they did a rogue goon |
Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
112
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Posted - 2012.07.09 18:15:00 -
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So what? They own an enormous empire out in null-sec and can build a never ending supply of ships that can't come to High sec or fit in a wormhole. Its like continuing a game of civ after you control all the land masses or playing a game with cheat codes that give you unlimited resources, eventually it gets old, boring, and pointless to continue. Thats the reason for things like burn jita and hulkaggeddon, its just them trying to break up the boredom of their pointless existence. If you don't have something to strive for in a game, it loses its entertainment value. Eventually they'll grow tired of it and probably move onto another game, or possibly they'll crumble from within when they realize that their only competition is themselves. |
Lord Zim
992
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Posted - 2012.07.09 18:22:00 -
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Ping Pang Pong wrote:Isn't it rather strange that CCP steps in and changes bombs directly after CFC gets an entire drake fleet knocked out by an SB run? I mean, bombs have been the way they were for years. Suddenly it is used against the goons and *ring ring* the batphone goes off and CCP gets to work to make sure the CFC isn't hit again by this mechanic that had been in game for years. Sad really. You should take a trip to mount tinfoil, I'm sure you can have a sweet chat with jade while you're there.
Someone on our side discovered that bombs were surprisingly effective now, and decided to try a 160 man bombing run on a carrier or two and an aeon. The carriers went pop, the aeon lost all its shields, this was recorded and posted on youtube, and I expect CCP went "oh ****" and fixed it. And by "fixed it" I mean "completely flubbed the fix", but that's CCP for you. Bombs are apparently fixed properly now. (watch me be proven wrong, now).
So you can come down off of mount tinfoil, now.
Ping Pang Pong wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if we had the GM's stepping in and nuking SoCo ships for the CFC like they did for the goons during a wardec a while back. 10 minute petition answer, direct out of game communications with CCP devs, opposing forces ships start to go *pop* out of the blue.
Nepotism in its truest form. I said come down from, not climb even higher up. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
199
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Posted - 2012.07.09 18:30:00 -
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Lucy Ferrr wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Tell me more about how SoCo works, oh NPC alt forum warrior. (PS. I'm sorry you would get fined for posting with your main.) Oh did I make the Goon lap dog angry? Know how I know you're angry? When people get angry and have no real argument they like to point out that I am in an NPC corp. Know why you see goons posting on thier mains? Because no one tells us how to play the game we pay for.
We're allowed to post, we're allowed to chat in local, we aren't forced to fly OP's, we aren't told to make our own money so we can afford to fly ops that we're forced to join.
You talk about anger and your post is full of hate and envy because, as a goon, we can afford to have fun how and when we want; while you as a pet are forced to play the game how and when someone else tells you.
Instead of being mad at goons, why don't you tell your slave drivers that they can start paying for your gametime, seeing as they're already controlling it as is.
I would feel bad for you guys, but no one's making you stay in those crappy corps and alliances but yourself.
The only problem with tech is that our enemies are to incompitent to take any. They spend more time telling thier members what they can and can't do, and finding new ways to fine them to make money to actually organize enough to learn how to play EVE.
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Cpt Roghie
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
30
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Posted - 2012.07.09 18:36:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Lucy Ferrr wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Tell me more about how SoCo works, oh NPC alt forum warrior. (PS. I'm sorry you would get fined for posting with your main.) Oh did I make the Goon lap dog angry? Know how I know you're angry? When people get angry and have no real argument they like to point out that I am in an NPC corp. Know why you see goons posting on thier mains? Because no one tells us how to play the game we pay for. We're allowed to post, we're allowed to chat in local, we aren't forced to fly OP's, we aren't told to make our own money so we can afford to fly ops that we're forced to join. You talk about anger and your post is full of hate and envy because, as a goon, we can afford to have fun how and when we want; while you as a pet are forced to play the game how and when someone else tells you. Instead of being mad at goons, why don't you tell your slave drivers that they can start paying for your gametime, seeing as they're already controlling it as is. I would feel bad for you guys, but no one's making you stay in those crappy corps and alliances but yourself. The only problem with tech is that our enemies are to incompitent to take any. They spend more time telling thier members what they can and can't do, and finding new ways to fine them to make money to actually organize enough to learn how to play EVE.
Truth, this guy speaks it. Zzzzzzzz.
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.07.09 19:30:00 -
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Ping Pang Pong wrote:Lord Zim wrote:March rabbit wrote:
[quote=March rabbit]And when your 300-500+ drake fleet is sitting outside of a station nothing below this numbers can get your out. Before this "fix" there was conter to blobs - SB gangs. Not it is not exists.
SBs aren't nerfed, they're changed back to what they had before CCP ****** with missiles etc, which means you have to actually think a bit before lobbing bombs, instead of essentially doing a 256 man bombing run which is able to put aeons into armor in one volley. . Isn't it rather strange that CCP steps in and changes bombs directly after CFC gets an entire drake fleet knocked out by an SB run? I mean, bombs have been the way they were for years. Suddenly it is used against the goons and *ring ring* the batphone goes off and CCP gets to work to make sure the CFC isn't hit again by this mechanic that had been in game for years. Sad really. I wouldn't be surprised if we had the GM's stepping in and nuking SoCo ships for the CFC like they did for the goons during a wardec a while back. 10 minute petition answer, direct out of game communications with CCP devs, opposing forces ships start to go *pop* out of the blue. Nepotism in its truest form. and @ the above poster: It is hard to combat both the CFC and CCP at the same time. It seems that every time someone gets a leg up there are changes that get rolled out which specifically cater to what the goons are up to. A few things CCP has done to directly intervene in the game and support the Goons/CFC: -Titan tracking nerf while CFC raids Raiden -Wardec changes only after goons get dogpiled. They had done a dog pile a few weeks earlier on another alliance, but no one seemed to care until it was the goons on the receiving end. -GM's nuking an opposing corp/alliance's ships during a war with the goons And the most recent: Bomb changes put in place immediately after a CFC drake fleet goes byebye. There are probably countless other times that things like these have happened, but these are ones I can think of off the top of my head. While I am too lazy to find the articles, there are plenty of reputable MMO gaming sites (MMORPG.com, Massively.com etc) that have spoken out and reported on this happening. It still doesn't change the fact that there are quite a few people working in CCP that are or "were" goons or the facts of mechanics being changed out of no where as soon as it benefits the goons.
Posting on my main to say that this man has heavily invested in shares of a tinfoil supplier. |
Jonah Gravenstein
584
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Posted - 2012.07.09 20:27:00 -
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Andrey Wartooth wrote:
Posting on my main to say that this man has heavily invested in shares of a tinfoil supplier.
Little does he know that the tinfoil hat actually attracts the Martian mind bending rays instead of repelling them, the propaganda is the inverse of the truth in this case War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Lithalnas
Privateers Privateer Alliance
118
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Posted - 2012.07.09 20:31:00 -
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after being here for about 6 years this is what I have to say about threads that accuse some alliance of "owning nulsec"
Every single one has fallen without exception, The largest have fallen to a combination of internal disputes which split the alliance or break up coalitions. It happens every time. Privateer Alliance, rebuilding a not so safe High Sec.-á
Want to assist in this endevor? (contract wars, corp/pilot recrutment) Contact one of our directors. |
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Lord Zim
997
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Posted - 2012.07.09 20:32:00 -
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Lithalnas wrote:after being here for about 6 years this is what I have to say about threads that accuse some alliance of "owning nulsec"
Every single one has fallen without exception, The largest have fallen to a combination of internal disputes which split the alliance or break up coalitions. It happens every time. No, this time, this time, tech will make sure we don't break apart. |
Freezehunter
201
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Posted - 2012.07.09 21:06:00 -
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forestwho wrote:
>a better pubic image due more isk >better pubic image >pubic
I lost my **** on that one. LOL
Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
35
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Posted - 2012.07.09 23:14:00 -
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Cpt Roghie wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Lucy Ferrr wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Tell me more about how SoCo works, oh NPC alt forum warrior. (PS. I'm sorry you would get fined for posting with your main.) Oh did I make the Goon lap dog angry? Know how I know you're angry? When people get angry and have no real argument they like to point out that I am in an NPC corp. Know why you see goons posting on thier mains? Because no one tells us how to play the game we pay for. We're allowed to post, we're allowed to chat in local, we aren't forced to fly OP's, we aren't told to make our own money so we can afford to fly ops that we're forced to join. You talk about anger and your post is full of hate and envy because, as a goon, we can afford to have fun how and when we want; while you as a pet are forced to play the game how and when someone else tells you. Instead of being mad at goons, why don't you tell your slave drivers that they can start paying for your gametime, seeing as they're already controlling it as is. I would feel bad for you guys, but no one's making you stay in those crappy corps and alliances but yourself. The only problem with tech is that our enemies are to incompitent to take any. They spend more time telling thier members what they can and can't do, and finding new ways to fine them to make money to actually organize enough to learn how to play EVE. Truth, this guy speaks it.
Says the EXE pet. Remember the eye of terror? |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
299
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Posted - 2012.07.09 23:23:00 -
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Bolow Santosi wrote:AlleyKat wrote:Xython wrote:AlleyKat wrote:Only difference is that BoB actually had the respect and the money, instead of just the money.
BoB. Respect? Ow. My sense of irony just sprained itself. It wasn't open to debate; attempting to rewrite history will not erase my memory. It also was not my intention to remind you of painful truths to offend you; sorry if that was the impression you got. AK Yes because propping yourself up as some quasi feudal lord and deeming nullsec is for the elite only was a good, healthy and respectable mindset.
And accurate. GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002.
somethingjustgotreal.com |
Blobber NL
Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing
115
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Posted - 2012.07.09 23:30:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:If only 10% of high sec dwellers were to form an alliance, they would likely out number even the largest null sec alliance by 7 to 1.
You know that won't ever happen... |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
338
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Posted - 2012.07.09 23:54:00 -
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Blobber NL wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:If only 10% of high sec dwellers were to form an alliance, they would likely out number even the largest null sec alliance by 7 to 1. You know that won't ever happen...
And whose fault is that? -RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Lord Zim
1001
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Posted - 2012.07.09 23:55:00 -
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Goons' fault, duh. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
386
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Posted - 2012.07.10 00:08:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Goons' fault, duh. Sorry I didn't bother to read the posts. What crime are you goons confessing to now? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
172
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Posted - 2012.07.10 00:12:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:If only 10% of high sec dwellers were to form an alliance, they would likely out number even the largest null sec alliance by 7 to 1. Care Bear Swarm ??? |
Garreth Vlox
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.07.10 00:16:00 -
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So basically you're mad someone else found a better way to play the game then you did? If you want their space TAKE IT, this is EVE stop crying in the forums that someone else has toys that are cooler than yours and start playing the game. |
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