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Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.12.04 14:09:00 -
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how did it go?
You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it
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Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.12.04 14:09:00 -
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how did it go?
You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2004.12.04 14:44:00 -
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Ok, I have been around since Beta 5. I have seen the ship and weapon changes up until now, and I have dealt with it. Now howver I will unload my thoughts.
It is blatenly obvious that CCP coddles the Amarr. Let me explain.
1) Any Amarr corporation has a huge advantage over any other race. Why? While everyone else needs to spend ISK to buy ammo BPs and time and resources to produce ammo for consumption, the Amarr only need several frequency crystals per weapon. These never burn out and cost virtualy nothing considering the cost everyone else has to pay to maintain thier ships with ammunition. Even without a crystal the lasers are still usable. Why CCP? Why do they not burn out after say 200 shots?
2) Amarr ships are uber tanks. They have the means to be very difficult to hurt, especially when projectiles and hybrids are not even close to the abilities to Amarr weapons. FOr Gods sake, have you seen the Prophesy's special ability? +5% resistance to ALL damage per level. Toss in a few hardners and this ship is darn near innvulnerable. No other races Battle Cruiser can even come close to this ability. Another example of extreme Amarr favoritsm.
3) On top of all this, the beam weapons have the best range, DoT, and accuracy of any other weapon type.
I am not asking to have everyone else superior, but for heavens sake CCP, how about close to par? And please don't tell me that the additional 10 m/s speed the Minmatar ships have is an atvantage. In a battle, that 10m/s means nothing because our enemies can track so much better. 50 m/s would not even this out.
Please forgive the rant but it has been building for a long time. CCP needs to get off thier Amarr kick and give the other three races some loving, we need it.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2004.12.04 14:44:00 -
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Ok, I have been around since Beta 5. I have seen the ship and weapon changes up until now, and I have dealt with it. Now howver I will unload my thoughts.
It is blatenly obvious that CCP coddles the Amarr. Let me explain.
1) Any Amarr corporation has a huge advantage over any other race. Why? While everyone else needs to spend ISK to buy ammo BPs and time and resources to produce ammo for consumption, the Amarr only need several frequency crystals per weapon. These never burn out and cost virtualy nothing considering the cost everyone else has to pay to maintain thier ships with ammunition. Even without a crystal the lasers are still usable. Why CCP? Why do they not burn out after say 200 shots?
2) Amarr ships are uber tanks. They have the means to be very difficult to hurt, especially when projectiles and hybrids are not even close to the abilities to Amarr weapons. FOr Gods sake, have you seen the Prophesy's special ability? +5% resistance to ALL damage per level. Toss in a few hardners and this ship is darn near innvulnerable. No other races Battle Cruiser can even come close to this ability. Another example of extreme Amarr favoritsm.
3) On top of all this, the beam weapons have the best range, DoT, and accuracy of any other weapon type.
I am not asking to have everyone else superior, but for heavens sake CCP, how about close to par? And please don't tell me that the additional 10 m/s speed the Minmatar ships have is an atvantage. In a battle, that 10m/s means nothing because our enemies can track so much better. 50 m/s would not even this out.
Please forgive the rant but it has been building for a long time. CCP needs to get off thier Amarr kick and give the other three races some loving, we need it.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.12.04 15:07:00 -
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just had this fort ...
CCP wont fix proj as there trying to kill off the sniper (they said so them selfs) and are just telling us they will for that xtra subscribtion
You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it
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Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.12.04 15:07:00 -
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just had this fort ...
CCP wont fix proj as there trying to kill off the sniper (they said so them selfs) and are just telling us they will for that xtra subscribtion
You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it
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Hobbsalong
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Posted - 2004.12.04 15:37:00 -
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Fix this and ignore Balsak, his pointless chatter is irrelevant.
This is an issue and we need more concrete information.
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Hobbsalong
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Posted - 2004.12.04 15:37:00 -
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Fix this and ignore Balsak, his pointless chatter is irrelevant.
This is an issue and we need more concrete information.
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Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.12.05 07:04:00 -
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You know when ur guns are screwed when u fail to hit a prison if ur moving even at 60k range lol
You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it
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Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.12.05 07:04:00 -
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You know when ur guns are screwed when u fail to hit a prison if ur moving even at 60k range lol
You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.12.05 07:35:00 -
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You know Lord Anubis, normally I wouldn't agree with you, but even I'm beginning to wonder if that's really the case.
If you want the Minmatar to have their main advantage be speed, then they need to travel at least 30% faster than comparable ships in other races. Any less isn't going to do squat. 10m/s faster speed for a BS is totally negligable.
The only downside to Amarr ships right now is that they only do two damage types, which makes them easy to tank against. But really Min ships aren't much different. Sure they *can* do all damage types, but lets take a closer look at that.
If I want to do EM damage I obviously use EMP ammo, but this also comes with a fair bit of explosive damage. This means that no matter if you're shooting at shields or armor, a good portion of your damage is wasted on the highest resistance damage type. On shields you're wasting damage with the explosive component, on armor you're wasting damage with the EM component.
Lets say I wanted to switch to Fusion when I get into the guy's armor. Nevermind the fact that this takes a good 15 seconds to do, assuming no lag, fusion ammo does WAY less damage than EMP would. EMP actually hits for more damage on armor than fusion does! What's the point of switching to specialized ammo if the lower overall damage cancels out the advantage of lower resistance?
So really the ability to do all 4 damage types is not much of an advantage at all, because if you want to switch to another damage type you're likely going to be doing much less overall damage than if you were to just stick with EMP or Phased plasma (which, surprise!, are the two damage types that everyone and their mother hardens against anyway).
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.12.05 07:35:00 -
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You know Lord Anubis, normally I wouldn't agree with you, but even I'm beginning to wonder if that's really the case.
If you want the Minmatar to have their main advantage be speed, then they need to travel at least 30% faster than comparable ships in other races. Any less isn't going to do squat. 10m/s faster speed for a BS is totally negligable.
The only downside to Amarr ships right now is that they only do two damage types, which makes them easy to tank against. But really Min ships aren't much different. Sure they *can* do all damage types, but lets take a closer look at that.
If I want to do EM damage I obviously use EMP ammo, but this also comes with a fair bit of explosive damage. This means that no matter if you're shooting at shields or armor, a good portion of your damage is wasted on the highest resistance damage type. On shields you're wasting damage with the explosive component, on armor you're wasting damage with the EM component.
Lets say I wanted to switch to Fusion when I get into the guy's armor. Nevermind the fact that this takes a good 15 seconds to do, assuming no lag, fusion ammo does WAY less damage than EMP would. EMP actually hits for more damage on armor than fusion does! What's the point of switching to specialized ammo if the lower overall damage cancels out the advantage of lower resistance?
So really the ability to do all 4 damage types is not much of an advantage at all, because if you want to switch to another damage type you're likely going to be doing much less overall damage than if you were to just stick with EMP or Phased plasma (which, surprise!, are the two damage types that everyone and their mother hardens against anyway).
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2004.12.05 08:04:00 -
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i gave up in the middle of page 2 ;p i do think projies need to be fixed, and as for the fixing statements, they did say in a dev chat or that inter stellar whatever talk thing that they would look into certain races guns (projies) but defiantly not before shiva. thats pretty vague to me but >< give them a break ;p i would loe to hvae them fixed soon though
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2004.12.05 08:04:00 -
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i gave up in the middle of page 2 ;p i do think projies need to be fixed, and as for the fixing statements, they did say in a dev chat or that inter stellar whatever talk thing that they would look into certain races guns (projies) but defiantly not before shiva. thats pretty vague to me but >< give them a break ;p i would loe to hvae them fixed soon though
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Lorth
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Posted - 2004.12.05 09:14:00 -
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Just in responce to EMP ammo and its damage types/over all damage. I think you might consider it the best ammo in eve, for these reasons.
For example, a shield tak uses typacally, 1 em 1 therm, 1 kinetic hardener. Which will leave the two lowest resistances as EM and explosive. Meaning that emp ammo is actually the best type of ammo. Perhaps better then lasers, if the guns did equal damage.
The same could be said about an armor tank haveing em and explosive as its two lowest resistances.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2004.12.05 09:14:00 -
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Just in responce to EMP ammo and its damage types/over all damage. I think you might consider it the best ammo in eve, for these reasons.
For example, a shield tak uses typacally, 1 em 1 therm, 1 kinetic hardener. Which will leave the two lowest resistances as EM and explosive. Meaning that emp ammo is actually the best type of ammo. Perhaps better then lasers, if the guns did equal damage.
The same could be said about an armor tank haveing em and explosive as its two lowest resistances.
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Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.12.05 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Anubis on 05/12/2004 09:40:12 Emp is good but knocks the gun down to 31 opt range which no 1400 can hit at (unless ur being cheeses)also note this is the lest damging ammo of its class (ie range mod) i think that fussion and depleted are the best ammo. And btw what i said before is true i was moving away from a pirate (using missiles agasint him) while shooting at a prison about 60k from me
From the combat logs i will try to find more lo
Follow the yellow brick road
You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it
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Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.12.05 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Anubis on 05/12/2004 09:40:12 Emp is good but knocks the gun down to 31 opt range which no 1400 can hit at (unless ur being cheeses)also note this is the lest damging ammo of its class (ie range mod) i think that fussion and depleted are the best ammo. And btw what i said before is true i was moving away from a pirate (using missiles agasint him) while shooting at a prison about 60k from me
From the combat logs i will try to find more lo
Follow the yellow brick road
You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it
wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia |
M0RIARTY
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Posted - 2004.12.05 11:48:00 -
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Projectiles are nerfed would be nice to get some luvin
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M0RIARTY
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Posted - 2004.12.05 11:48:00 -
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Projectiles are nerfed would be nice to get some luvin
Noo sig comming SOONÖ =================================================== What are we going to do about all this ignorance and apathy?.... I don't know and I don't care! |
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Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.12.05 15:29:00 -
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but thats a long way off if any
You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it
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Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.12.05 15:29:00 -
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but thats a long way off if any
You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it
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Zerbot Murega
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Posted - 2004.12.05 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Zerbot Murega on 05/12/2004 16:34:20
Originally by: Lord Anubis just had this fort ...
CCP wont fix proj as there trying to kill off the sniper (they said so them selfs) and are just telling us they will for that xtra subscribtion
migth be the case and that makes me wonder if there is something else behind these nerfs then just damage and range issues,
it now sounds more like a bad scam then nerf
a question to cpp :
How in HELL are we sepposed to even RP these nerfs if they dont even correspond to the storyline , i mean im sepposed not to even step on board an other races ship because of pride to mine own, but you guys leave me no option but either train skills for an other race class ( takes frikking time and is a wasted of money) or uuber cruise fitt my battle ship / train every gunnery subskill to lvl5 (which is a waste of time and money for the effort it gives) and be ganked by the rest of the game in pvp (not corp vs corp),
i suggest instead of giving us " bribes " like new ships and PoS fixing a bug here and there , its just a number that has to be re valued /me looks at watch , takes less then 5 min, , fix the damn game and drag yer asess from the local pub and do something about it ,
im not saying you guys slack off over there but you sure make it look like that ,
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Zerbot Murega
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Posted - 2004.12.05 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Zerbot Murega on 05/12/2004 16:34:20
Originally by: Lord Anubis just had this fort ...
CCP wont fix proj as there trying to kill off the sniper (they said so them selfs) and are just telling us they will for that xtra subscribtion
migth be the case and that makes me wonder if there is something else behind these nerfs then just damage and range issues,
it now sounds more like a bad scam then nerf
a question to cpp :
How in HELL are we sepposed to even RP these nerfs if they dont even correspond to the storyline , i mean im sepposed not to even step on board an other races ship because of pride to mine own, but you guys leave me no option but either train skills for an other race class ( takes frikking time and is a wasted of money) or uuber cruise fitt my battle ship / train every gunnery subskill to lvl5 (which is a waste of time and money for the effort it gives) and be ganked by the rest of the game in pvp (not corp vs corp),
i suggest instead of giving us " bribes " like new ships and PoS fixing a bug here and there , its just a number that has to be re valued /me looks at watch , takes less then 5 min, , fix the damn game and drag yer asess from the local pub and do something about it ,
im not saying you guys slack off over there but you sure make it look like that ,
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Gortex
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Posted - 2004.12.05 19:00:00 -
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Bump
Im not Minmatar, but I fly a Tempest and a Cyclone. I use all Proj weapons and I have about 10 BPO of the Ammo I use, and I still see my Friend with his Apoc, out dmg me, hit more then me, and never run out of ammo. But I guess thats what I get for hateing my own people and its goverment.
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Gortex
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Posted - 2004.12.05 19:00:00 -
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Bump
Im not Minmatar, but I fly a Tempest and a Cyclone. I use all Proj weapons and I have about 10 BPO of the Ammo I use, and I still see my Friend with his Apoc, out dmg me, hit more then me, and never run out of ammo. But I guess thats what I get for hateing my own people and its goverment.
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