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Jerid Verges
The Society of Innovation The Last Stand
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:16:00 -
[61]
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Dianeces
SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky
Did I just get trolled?
I'm going to go ahead and ruin it, but no. You didn't get trolled. This is a very :srsbsns: post by some butthurt Russian who thinks that because everyone in PL likes to troll threads, they are in cahoots with Monkeysphere (an alleged cheater). Consequently, he's lashing out in an attempt to...well, actually, I'm not sure what this is an attempt to do. In any event, the OP is certainly serious.
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Jinghua
R.u.S.H. - Fanatics Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:30:00 -
[63]
+1 it's fair
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dianeces who thinks that because everyone in PL likes to troll threads, they are in cahoots with Monkeysphere (an alleged cheater).
Trolling equals cheating, don't you know?
Originally by: Dianeces Consequently, he's lashing out in an attempt to...well, actually, I'm not sure what this is an attempt to do. In any event, the OP is certainly serious.
Ok.
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Vicomte de'Bragelonne
Fugitive Biomass
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:40:00 -
[65]
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alexeypro
Minmatar Old Republic
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:41:00 -
[66]
i have no idea to say. Cheaters and exploiters must get punishment. but punish whole alliance for 2 ppl lol
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Dave Havok
Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:43:00 -
[67]
Because everyone who PL beat in the alliance tournament must have lost because they didn't realize they had enemies in local. Ban them and strip them of their title!
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Orny
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:45:00 -
[68]
support
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:49:00 -
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There is a reason why collective punishment is a big no-no in the real world. One cannot reasonably take punitive measures against individuals for crimes they did not themselves commit.
Part of the Geneva Conventions and I think Human Rights as well, not to mention it is illegal in practically the entire world on a state level.
But good luck with your smear campaign
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Jeremey on 21/04/2010 19:55:21
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida There is a reason why collective punishment is a big no-no in the real world.
When sportsmans are caught with dope, their federations are punished. Alliance Tournament is clearly a sport event.
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida One cannot reasonably take punitive measures against individuals for crimes they did not themselves commit.
I think that Pandemic Legion administration have commited covering of exploiters by themselves.
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida But good luck with your smear campaign
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Swarog Hjellstadt
A-Priori Red Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:59:00 -
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GG May
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Posted - 2010.04.21 21:09:00 -
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TiiGRa
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Posted - 2010.04.21 21:11:00 -
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.04.21 21:30:00 -
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Has the tournament been won using any bug exploit?
If there was no cheating in the tournament, you cannot disqualify the win. Rules must be followed, otherwise you are no better than the cheater you seek to punish. No better.
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.21 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jeremey on 21/04/2010 21:55:27 Edited by: Jeremey on 21/04/2010 21:54:56
Originally by: Ephemeron Has the tournament been won using any bug exploit?
I think not, it haven't been used.
Originally by: Ephemeron If there was no cheating in the tournament, you cannot disqualify the win.
No, you can. Because in tournament alliances participate as organizations, not as random gangs of players. And when the exact same organization covers (before attending tournament) exploiters and cheaters, it questions their right to participate in tournament.
Originally by: Ephemeron
Rules must be followed, otherwise you are no better than the cheater you seek to punish. No better.
"Alliance Tournament has been won by alliance covering exploiters" - good title, isn't it? I think it disregards the whole idea of alliance tournament more than collective punishment on pandemic legion.
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Ferion Virian
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 22:01:00 -
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Mistress Frome
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 22:13:00 -
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Fully agreeing with everything in the op
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.04.21 22:20:00 -
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Jeremey, that is flawed reasoning. I don't support cheating in any way, but neither do I support biased interpretation of the rules for selfish objectives.
If they won the tournament using legitimate tactics, they cannot be disqualified. There are no two ways about it. Either you break your own rules and thus prove you are on same level as other cheaters, you you stick with the rules and punish the cheaters accordingly, by the rules, not by frivolous amendments to existing rules.
To highlight the ridiculousness of your argument, lets take a look at Olympics. United states participated in olympics as a nation. Yet within the nation there are many criminals, many serving time now. Should the United States be stripped of all medals because it is currently housing criminals?
Has Michael Phelps been stripped of his gold medals because he was later caught smoking weed?
And to take things on even lower level - have any of the individuals in alliance tournament been caught using exploits? EVE alliances are very loose organizations. Would you like to be banned for something your alliance leader did that you didn't even know about?
All of these are more extreme examples, but they all point to same flawed reasoning.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.21 22:36:00 -
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Since this has reached enough votes I can do nothing but raise it for the next meeting :D
Like to blow stuff up? Vote Sokratesz for a PVP voice! |
Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:06:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Sokratesz Since this has reached enough votes I can do nothing but raise it for the next meeting :D
~_~
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Since this has reached enough votes I can do nothing but raise it for the next meeting :D
Thank you. Can you please also discuss a question about possibility that Pandemic Legion used their illegal UI mod during Alliance Tournament? Because it seems exactly that UI mod eventually mutated in discussed exploit, which used by some members of Pandemic Legion.
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De'Veldrin
Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:20:00 -
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I agree with the service and or idea being discussed here.
Also, posting to confirm that PL stole my penguins.
They must have stolen them, since I can't find them anywhere. --Vel
Originally by: Jiseinoku
Mining is the path to enlightement.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:44:00 -
[83]
Yes this is quite essential. **** PL! **** 'em! **** 'em to death!
Or whatever. I don't know...
Also coffee. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Naidi
The Ur'Quan Masters
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:02:00 -
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I SoStoned
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:32:00 -
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PL have made their funny money from the ISK prints CCP gave them after the win, they could give two tinkers about a tiny little trophy.
CCP should certainly look into the allegations, to be sure, but unless they're willing to yank every Mimir et cetera from the game, it won't mean squat all. Banning them won't hurt, either, the exploiters will have long ago squirreled away their assets. --- Dreamer: My dream, Freddy! MY RULES. Freddy Kruger: *groans* Awwwww, f**k. --- Never give up! |
I SoStoned
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Since this has reached enough votes I can do nothing but raise it for the next meeting :D
*blinks*
That's the first time I've ever seen you make this commendation. It certainly leaves a sour taste in my mouth considering the endless stream of high vote-count threads that you've never whispered about and have certainly never been brought up by any council.
--- Dreamer: My dream, Freddy! MY RULES. Freddy Kruger: *groans* Awwwww, f**k. --- Never give up! |
Tibalt Avalon
Suck my Titan
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Posted - 2010.04.22 01:01:00 -
[87]
Not Supporting Till CCP Releases Official Statement Hardstyle Ambassador |
j1T4tR4d3AlT
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Posted - 2010.04.22 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: I SoStoned
Originally by: Sokratesz Since this has reached enough votes I can do nothing but raise it for the next meeting :D
*blinks*
That's the first time I've ever seen you make this commendation. It certainly leaves a sour taste in my mouth considering the endless stream of high vote-count threads that you've never whispered about and have certainly never been brought up by any council.
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Sendara Amarri
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:03:00 -
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Lol Look at all those Russians macroing the support button!
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Sky Front
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:31:00 -
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+1 |
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