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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:01:00 -
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Was really looking forward to this. But after thinking about how bad unified inventory turned out as well as the LP in faction warfare. Well it was those thoughts as well as the new ore holds that don't expand at all. Sure this is mostly paranoia and we shall just see how good it is after it's implementation with little to no oversight.
But what really got me is this. Us miners could have always added more armor to our ships, or shrunk bays for more ore delivery, but we never chose to. It sucks a whole lot. Even more then mining, it sucks. Lots of players have been telling and cajoling us to do this, but we have always resisted doing it.
So what I really worry about, is now CCP is just gonna force us to. Now we do have to sacrifice ore input for armor, or we have to sacrifice cargo hold for nothing. After fighting trolls for so long, CCP is just gonna doomsday our mining barges and force us to be twinks instead of miners.
Seems like the mittani and the goons have finally won. If the goons don't blow ya up, CCP will come in and make your life a hell for avoiding their missles and bullets.
Suppose we should have seen it, with CCP always wanting us to be real men, but I just never paid enough attention, while mining bored.
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Rikanin
Wargasm Inc
51
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:08:00 -
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I smell trolls coming to fling their ***** |
Shogun Horowitz
Phoenix Rise Industries
1
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:09:00 -
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What's bad about unified inventory? I like it. A lot. It's just business. |
Arkturus McFadden
Sonoran Shadow Black Mesa Complex
88
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:09:00 -
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Troll troll troll. |
Shogun Horowitz
Phoenix Rise Industries
1
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:12:00 -
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Sh*t, and I bit. It's just business. |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
415
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:14:00 -
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New mining barges to have special carry cases for all the whine Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
288
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:19:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Was really looking forward to this. But after thinking about how bad unified inventory turned out as well as the LP in faction warfare. Well it was those thoughts as well as the new ore holds that don't expand at all. Sure this is mostly paranoia and we shall just see how good it is after it's implementation with little to no oversight.
But what really got me is this. Us miners could have always added more armor to our ships, or shrunk bays for more ore delivery, but we never chose to. It sucks a whole lot. Even more then mining, it sucks. Lots of players have been telling and cajoling us to do this, but we have always resisted doing it.
So what I really worry about, is now CCP is just gonna force us to. Now we do have to sacrifice ore input for armor, or we have to sacrifice cargo hold for nothing. After fighting trolls for so long, CCP is just gonna doomsday our mining barges and force us to be twinks instead of miners.
Seems like the mittani and the goons have finally won. If the goons don't blow ya up, CCP will come in and make your life a hell for avoiding their missles and bullets.
Suppose we should have seen it, with CCP always wanting us to be real men, but I just never paid enough attention, while mining bored.
There's nothing saying that the Hulk will mine less. You will now have the choice between common Hulk fittings, and you won't have to strain your brains to figure out how to fit them, you'll just have to stretch your wallet a bit to have one of each.
And yeah, miner's whining biting them in the butt when it's listened to. Who would have thunk (I hear echoes of the insurance nerf). -RubyPorto
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
557
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:30:00 -
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Wasn't meaning to troll, plus it sounds like most of the "constructive" posts come from people who don't mind. So consider me satisfied with how well this will turn out.
(Also sorry for so much taboo in that post, forgot about that all) I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
289
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:46:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Wasn't meaning to troll, plus it sounds like most of the "constructive" posts come from people who don't mine. So consider me satisfied with how well this will turn out.
(Also sorry for so much taboo in that post, forgot about that all)
So, if you weren't meaning to troll, explain to me exactly how buffing all the mining ships other than the Hulk hurts miners? -RubyPorto
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Raiz Nhell
DEEP CORPS
150
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:55:00 -
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What is wrong with trading gank (yield) for tank... its what every other capsuleer has to do... what makes us miners so special...
Tank your barge and deal with the yield cut or go for max yield and get used to the pod express...
The changes to mining ships is the fault of whining miners... not Mittens or the Goons...
... WTF did I just feed the troll and defend the Goons in the same post... going straight to hell, not passing Go....
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. |
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
558
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:55:00 -
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Well at the beginning it did say they would raise output, but then later compared barges to each other, and it kind of made the other non hulk barges sound pretty bad.
Its like the frigate sounds cool, but once you see how much ore is in station afterwards, you will want to quit. The other barges are like that. That is why no real miners, liked putting tanks on their barges. You get the want to quit feeling when you see so little ore when you dock. The skiff and cov and stuff will be cool, as long as you don't mine and dock in them.
Best way I can put it is highly expensive pvp. Where its still fun, but once you see the bill, you want to quit. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:55:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Was really looking forward to this. But after thinking about how bad unified inventory turned out as well as the LP in faction warfare. Well it was those thoughts as well as the new ore holds that don't expand at all. Sure this is mostly paranoia and we shall just see how good it is after it's implementation with little to no oversight.
But what really got me is this. Us miners could have always added more armor to our ships, or shrunk bays for more ore delivery, but we never chose to. It sucks a whole lot. Even more then mining, it sucks. Lots of players have been telling and cajoling us to do this, but we have always resisted doing it.
So what I really worry about, is now CCP is just gonna force us to. Now we do have to sacrifice ore input for armor, or we have to sacrifice cargo hold for nothing. After fighting trolls for so long, CCP is just gonna doomsday our mining barges and force us to be twinks instead of miners.
Seems like the mittani and the goons have finally won. If the goons don't blow ya up, CCP will come in and make your life a hell for avoiding their missles and bullets.
Suppose we should have seen it, with CCP always wanting us to be real men, but I just never paid enough attention, while mining bored.
Vote with your wallet. Its all they seem to listen to lol http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
558
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:58:00 -
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^ But they are european. Sure they need money to buy beer, so you would think that would work, or their economies would improve. But nope. They are poor, but still have beer. I don't know what weapon would work on CCP. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
289
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:01:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Well at the beginning it did say they would raise output, but then later compared barges to each other, and it kind of made the other non hulk barges sound pretty bad.
Its like the frigate sounds cool, but once you see how much ore is in station afterwards, you will want to quit. The other barges are like that. That is why no real miners, liked putting tanks on their barges. You get the want to quit feeling when you see so little ore when you dock. The skiff and cov and stuff will be cool, as long as you don't mine and dock in them.
Best way I can put it is highly expensive pvp. Where its still fun, but once you see the bill, you want to quit.
So did you skip right over the yield buff the other barges will get, or are you complaining that you're going to be given the choice to sacrifice some yield for tank or cargo without having to strain your fitting muscles? -RubyPorto
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1620
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:03:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Well at the beginning it did say they would raise output, but then later compared barges to each other, and it kind of made the other non hulk barges sound pretty bad.
Its like the frigate sounds cool, but once you see how much ore is in station afterwards, you will want to quit. The other barges are like that. That is why no real miners, liked putting tanks on their barges. You get the want to quit feeling when you see so little ore when you dock. The skiff and cov and stuff will be cool, as long as you don't mine and dock in them.
Best way I can put it is highly expensive pvp. Where its still fun, but once you see the bill, you want to quit.
The patch is not because you miners are hated / loved or because Goons are doing Hulkageddons.
CCP are performing a vast revolution in their ship hulls roles so that every hull is actually fled by somebody.
So far Hulk and Macks were the only mining ships really used. After the patch you'll have alternatives with good and bad points.
Your choice whether to fit all glass cannon for max yield and die easy or fit for AFK or fit for tank.
I bet all will fit for glass cannon of course and then will come cry on the forums when they'll get popped. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
289
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:07:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: So far Hulk and Macks were the only mining ships really used. After the patch you'll have alternatives with good and bad points.
Be fair, I'm sure the Skiff gets the occasional use (Merxocrit Uber Alles). And don't forget the Retriever for the newbies. I think 4/6 is a better ratio than current T1 frigs have, but I cba to check.
I am certainly looking forward to telling the whinging miners to Learn 2 Skiff/Procurer when their Hulks go pop, too. -RubyPorto
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
558
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:09:00 -
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^ I will be doing that, that glass cannon stuff.
Yeah they get buffed, but I suppose the best thing is their price. It will be cheaper to die in those other ships. Only reason to fly one IMO. Once it goes live, you can get output to cost of ship, plus likely of getting ganked.
I mean you could always sacrifice ore input for armor on hulk, then it would be the new skiff or so. But it costs alot to lose a hulk made that way. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Mallak Azaria
285
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:10:00 -
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Miners whined for this. You get what you whine for. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
558
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:11:00 -
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^ I suppose then, you whined for walking in stations. Justice does flow in this game. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
289
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:15:00 -
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rodyas wrote:^ I will be doing that, that glass cannon stuff.
Yeah they get buffed, but I suppose the best thing is their price. It will be cheaper to die in those other ships. Only reason to fly one IMO. Once it goes live, you can get output to cost of ship, plus likely of getting ganked.
I mean you could always sacrifice ore input for armor on hulk, then it would be the new skiff or so. But it costs alot to lose a hulk made that way.
They're probably going to jiggle the material inputs as well. That seems to be what they do when they buff things (though these are [I think] the first T2 ships they've fiddled with, so who knows). -RubyPorto
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Mallak Azaria
285
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:18:00 -
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rodyas wrote:^ I suppose then, you whined for walking in stations. Justice does flow in this game.
Please provide links to the threads where I whined for walking in stations. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1621
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:18:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: So far Hulk and Macks were the only mining ships really used. After the patch you'll have alternatives with good and bad points.
Be fair, I'm sure the Skiff gets the occasional use (Merxocrit Uber Alles). And don't forget the Retriever for the newbies. I think 4/6 is a better ratio than current T1 frigs have, but I cba to check. I am certainly looking forward to telling the whinging miners to Learn 2 Skiff/Procurer when their Hulks go pop, too.
Skiff and retriever are:
- skiff: used in extremely specialized cases. - retriever: used for 30 days tops and just because covetor takes so long to train. Then it's dump time.
That's not enough usage to have them worth sitting along with the most used ship in game (Hulk) and the most ice mining ship used in game (Mack). Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
289
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:24:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: So far Hulk and Macks were the only mining ships really used. After the patch you'll have alternatives with good and bad points.
Be fair, I'm sure the Skiff gets the occasional use (Merxocrit Uber Alles). And don't forget the Retriever for the newbies. I think 4/6 is a better ratio than current T1 frigs have, but I cba to check. I am certainly looking forward to telling the whinging miners to Learn 2 Skiff/Procurer when their Hulks go pop, too. Skiff and retriever are: - skiff: used in extremely specialized cases. - retriever: used for 30 days tops and just because covetor takes so long to train. Then it's dump time. That's not enough usage to have them worth sitting along with the most used ship in game (Hulk) and the most ice mining ship used in game (Mack).
Oh, absolutely. In my haste to add the ratio bit, I deleted the emoticon that I hoped would indicate I wasn't being totally serious.
And now look what I've done. -RubyPorto
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
289
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:26:00 -
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rodyas wrote:^ I suppose then, you whined for walking in stations. Justice does flow in this game.
People raged against WIS, and WIS has a bare bones Dev Team (doing some fantastic work, from what I hear).
Miners whined for a buff to mining survivability. They got it. Now they're whining more. -RubyPorto
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
558
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:26:00 -
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^ Well I suppose they should. CCP does like war and having to build things becuase of it. But the hulk is to expensive to lose and rebuild. I.E. its a bad fuel to use if you want to start a fire. Kind of like titans, and one of their complaints. Like how you said this is the first T2 ships they are fiddling with. You mentioned fittings earlier. That is a complaint not shared by mining alone. But I do play gallente. So just using fittings towards mining is a strange issue. Like barges are ships, so they do have the same problems other ships have. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1159
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:28:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:I am certainly looking forward to telling the whinging miners to Learn 2 Skiff/Procurer when their Hulks go pop, too. I hope no one has taken names like "Lrn2 Procure" or something for their gankers yet. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
558
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:29:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:rodyas wrote:^ I suppose then, you whined for walking in stations. Justice does flow in this game. People raged against WIS, and WIS has a bare bones Dev Team (doing some fantastic work, from what I hear). Miners whined for a buff to mining survivability. They got it. Now they're whining more.
See CCP is just feeding trolls with this barge buff. That is why you don't feed trolls, they get stronger and dumber from it. As someone pointed out, this is only from hulkageddon, which is pure troll. I don't really agree with that totally, but it seems funnier if that is true, so I will go with that. I did think though hulkageddon made it harder to live without a buff, and makes the players want to speed it up. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
289
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:31:00 -
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rodyas wrote:^ Well I suppose they should. CCP does like war and having to build things becuase of it. But the hulk is to expensive to lose and rebuild. I.E. its a bad fuel to use if you want to start a fire. Kind of like titans, and one of their complaints. Like how you said this is the first T2 ships they are fiddling with. You mentioned fittings earlier. That is a complaint not shared by mining alone. But I do play gallente. So just using fittings towards mining is a strange issue. Like barges are ships, so they do have the same problems other ships have.
Quoteing is better for indicating what you're responding to.
The Hulk is not too expensive to lose and rebuild. It may be for your situation at your rate of loss, but if that's the case, then it's the wrong ship for you.
These are the first T2 ships they've changed, so I can only guess whether they plan to fiddle with the bill of Mats on them.
Yep, everybody else has to make choices with regards to their fittings. Miners refused to do so, whined about it and are being rewarded by having new ships with the fitting options built in. And now they're complaining about it. -RubyPorto
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
289
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:32:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:I am certainly looking forward to telling the whinging miners to Learn 2 Skiff/Procurer when their Hulks go pop, too. I hope no one has taken names like "Lrn2 Procure" or something for their gankers yet.
I so wish I had an open character slot. -RubyPorto
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Breezly Brewin
Vril Metaphysics Society
30
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:32:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: So far Hulk and Macks were the only mining ships really used. After the patch you'll have alternatives with good and bad points.
Be fair, I'm sure the Skiff gets the occasional use (Merxocrit Uber Alles). And don't forget the Retriever for the newbies. I think 4/6 is a better ratio than current T1 frigs have, but I cba to check. I am certainly looking forward to telling the whinging miners to Learn 2 Skiff/Procurer when their Hulks go pop, too. Skiff and retriever are: - skiff: used in extremely specialized cases. - retriever: used for 30 days tops and just because covetor takes so long to train. Then it's dump time. That's not enough usage to have them worth sitting along with the most used ship in game (Hulk) and the most ice mining ship used in game (Mack).
i found a purpose for retriever - i wanted to mine a grav site in a WH but the covetor wouldn't fit through the WH so i brought a retriever to strip out the arkonor. was the effort worth it? probably not but meh |
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