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Garak Jakobs
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.09 08:50:00 -
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So, I love this game and have loved it since when I began. Recently I felt CCP were really starting to suck.
Incursions ruined, I'm not talking about the ISK but the comradery that went with running the incursions. Totally wiped out by CCPs fantastic idea of making these things so much harder and longer than dare I day it........running boring missions is more profitable.
I begin playing Tribes Ascend, I love FPS shooters.....It was new it was free and gave me what I wanted in a game. The Eve addiction began to break.
Right now I only login to put skills in the queue as I know that this game will once again grab me and pull me into its grasp.
I thought I'd watch the alliance tournament a while but man, what a bore-fest it is this year. It's rubbish :(
CCP have once again gone down in my book for allowing pay offs in local to throw matches. It shouldn't be allowed. If you've not got the point requirement to progress further then its your FCs fault for poor ship choice/setup and poor choices during the match.
The winners should be the ones who did what it took and killed what need to be killed. Not the ones who have enough money to throw around to "win" the tourny and then get over a trillion isk worth of rare ship BPCs.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.09 09:25:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:So, I love this game and have loved it since when I began. Recently I felt CCP were really starting to suck.
Incursions ruined, I'm not talking about the ISK but the comradery that went with running the incursions. Totally wiped out by CCPs fantastic idea of making these things so much harder and longer than dare I day it........running boring missions is more profitable.
I begin playing Tribes Ascend, I love FPS shooters.....It was new it was free and gave me what I wanted in a game. The Eve addiction began to break. (snip)
Incursion nerf and Wall of OTAs killed the NULL/LO sec Incursions and is strangling whats left of the heardcore Incursion runners. Hope you come back after a bit looks like some changes are promised Soon(TM). I took a short unsub break myself & after heard some more changes are in the works after another 2 months. Escalation fixes will probably get pushed back though while the later Inferno gets immediate attention.
An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
298
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Posted - 2012.07.09 09:29:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:Incursions ruined, I'm not talking about the ISK but the comradery that went with running the incursions. Totally wiped out by CCPs fantastic idea of making these things so much harder and longer than dare I day it........running boring missions is more profitable.
How did CCP nerf the Camaraderie? Did they change the way TS or EvE Voice works in Incursion systems?
Or was it that all of your "Comrades" left for greener pastures when the isk fountain dried up.
Enough with the "Incursions aren't about the ISK" lie. The disappearance of the major communities have shown it for the lie it is.
Ans then your last sentence, saying that you don't do Incursions because l4s make more money... what happened to "I'm not talking about the ISK"? -RubyPorto
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Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1790
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Posted - 2012.07.09 09:32:00 -
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Ruby already decimated you, thread over.
(canhasstuff?) You don't know.|||You REALLY don't know.|||See you drivin round town |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.07.09 09:42:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote: I begin playing Tribes Ascend, I love FPS shooters.....It was new it was free and gave me what I wanted in a game. The Eve addiction began to break.
Mindless shooting is what you want in a game. Not a long term economic and political simulator based around various conflicts where are goods bought and sold are harvested by players through various means where doing anything of substantive value can take months.
I think I may have found your problem with EVE. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
871
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Posted - 2012.07.09 09:47:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Garak Jakobs wrote:Incursions ruined, I'm not talking about the ISK but the comradery that went with running the incursions. Totally wiped out by CCPs fantastic idea of making these things so much harder and longer than dare I day it........running boring missions is more profitable. How did CCP nerf the Camaraderie? Did they change the way TS or EvE Voice works in Incursion systems? Or was it that all of your "Comrades" left for greener pastures when the isk fountain dried up. Enough with the "Incursions aren't about the ISK" lie. The disappearance of the major communities have shown it for the lie it is. Ans then your last sentence, saying that you don't do Incursions because l4s make more money... what happened to "I'm not talking about the ISK"?
I cant improve on this answer, so Ill just quote it. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Garak Jakobs
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.07.09 10:29:00 -
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Everything you do in Eve is in some way shape and form financially orientated so my OP was not killed or decimated in anyway at all.
The incursions brought together some very select groups of people, The guys I used to run these with I no longer see as they have gone back to their nullsec homes, very much like myself.
Sure, I can jump on TS with my corp mates [of course I am a forum alt] but It's not something I can do for hours on end like incursions. Gate camping gets boring, plexs get boring after 1-2 of them....
The game is becoming pretty stale, Incursions really gave something to the game that really worked.
My largest gripe with no1 has yet commented on is the payoffs in the alliance tourny. That is just absolute diabolical.
The winners are the ones with the deepest pockets, not the ones who won on merit. For me that is poor form. |
Serena Serene
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1240
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Posted - 2012.07.09 10:37:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Garak Jakobs wrote:Incursions ruined, I'm not talking about the ISK but the comradery that went with running the incursions. Totally wiped out by CCPs fantastic idea of making these things so much harder and longer than dare I day it........running boring missions is more profitable. How did CCP nerf the Camaraderie? Did they change the way TS or EvE Voice works in Incursion systems? Or was it that all of your "Comrades" left for greener pastures when the isk fountain dried up. Enough with the "Incursions aren't about the ISK" lie. The disappearance of the major communities have shown it for the lie it is. Ans then your last sentence, saying that you don't do Incursions because l4s make more money... what happened to "I'm not talking about the ISK"? I cant improve on this answer, so Ill just quote it.
I also wonder about this. If it's about comraderie and fun, not isk, shouldn't you still run incursions with your comrades? Shouldn't doing something fun outweight a more effective isk-source?
I understand the need for efficiency if you don't enjoy what you're doing, or rather, if you enjoy something else more, but you need the isk for that particular other activity.
But if you can still earn isk, even if not as profitable as those missions, but you enjoy the comraderie and the fun, as opposed to the missions you call boring, shouldn't you still do it? Edit: I mean, there are people engaging in activities which -burn- isk because they are fun, and then they have to earn the isk back. So shouldn't the complete "fun and gives isk at the same time"-package be a godsend, even if the isk part isn't as efficient as it could be?
I can only conclude that this was about the isk after all. Or that you didn't express yourself clearly. I'm not familiar with the changes to incursions, as I am not playing for very long. Is there something else which made them less enjoyable besides being less isk-efficient? Them being harder, as you mention, sounds to me like it should just be a more fun challenge requiring more comraderie.
So if there is something else, maybe you should mention that instead of the isk-efficiency :)
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Garak Jakobs wrote: [...]
The game is becoming pretty stale, Incursions really gave something to the game that really worked.
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You still didn't say why you don't do these Incursions anymore. What do you need more isk for if you don't have fun, and instead could engage in the fun activity?
Only reason I can partially read from what you've written is that you are the only one feeling like this and most other people did it for the isk, so you don't have anyone to do Incursions with anymore? |
The Protato
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
48
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Posted - 2012.07.09 11:51:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote: The game is becoming pretty stale, Incursions really gave something to the game that really worked.
You want cooperative PVE against a challenging AI? Go do sleeper sites.
Garak Jakobs wrote: The incursions brought together some very select groups of people, The guys I used to run these with I no longer see as they have gone back to their nullsec homes, very much like myself.
Elitist opportunists who flew blingfit ships and didn't afraid of anything. Then the money dried up and their false camaraderie disappeared. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2012.07.09 18:58:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:1) Everything you do in Eve is in some way shape and form financially orientated so my OP was not killed or decimated in anyway at all.
2) The incursions brought together some very select groups of people, The guys I used to run these with I no longer see as they have gone back to their nullsec homes, very much like myself.
3) Sure, I can jump on TS with my corp mates [of course I am a forum alt] but It's not something I can do for hours on end like incursions. Gate camping gets boring, plexs get boring after 1-2 of them....
4) The game is becoming pretty stale, Incursions really gave something to the game that really worked.
5) My largest gripe with no1 has yet commented on is the payoffs in the alliance tourny. That is just absolute diabolical.
The winners are the ones with the deepest pockets, not the ones who won on merit. For me that is poor form.
Added line numbers to your post for ease of commenting
1) Show me how suicide roams line my pockets.
2) So, it was about the money. If it were really about the Camaraderie, you'd still be doing them and noticing that they are better income than l4s, just not as convenient. The dissolution of the big communities proved that the only reason for their existence was to farm the ridiculously broken income for as long as possible.
3) Then don't gate camp for hours on end. If you enjoyed incursions, they're still there.
4) They're still there, they're just not broken anymore.
5) What the hell does the AT have to do with your incursion whine thread? -RubyPorto
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Kyle Ward
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.07.09 19:21:00 -
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Money makes the world go round. But at least MechWarrior Online is almost here... Can't wait to PPC me some Goonies! The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Totalrx
NA No Assholes Silver Twilight Enterprises
22
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Posted - 2012.07.09 19:24:00 -
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It's not about the ISK...no wait! It really is!
Side Note: Tribes:Ascend is cool, but it will never require the amount of teamwork and coordination that Starseige: Tribes or Tribes 2 required. Since it's a free-to-play game with "pay to win" weapons for certain classes, it is falling victim to morons and idiots with no sense or inclination of teamwork flooding the servers and killing an otherwise enjoyable title. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
127
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Posted - 2012.07.09 19:27:00 -
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World of Tanks:
For when gate camping for a **** tier FC gets boring.
Also, pimped loltraktor > pimped noob frigs. Eve forums official anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA-áReal men tank hull. Fake women shield-tank Gallente. |
CARB0N FIBER
Derailleurs
26
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Posted - 2012.07.09 19:44:00 -
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I played Golden Eye Reloaded the other day(i still play the orignal on one of my N64s) on ps3. Kind of sucked! Just another Rainbow 6 rip off like pretty much every shooter game. Which got me thinking about Gran Turismo again. Why can't I get an updated GT 2 with modern graphics and cars. Not interested in your new improved features.
My opinion each addition of GT sucks a little more. GT 5 you have to download something to make playing quicker, takes about 45 minutes to do. About all the time I'm willing to put into it. Come back a month later when I'm bored. Take about 1,000 driving test and still can't race. Out of time. Come back a few months later, have to run an update. Update takes forever and fails. Try it again, for the same results. Put that piece of crap in the box and sell it on ebay.
Don't even get me started on NFS!
Guess I'm stuck with Eve when I have to be indoors. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
142
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Posted - 2012.07.09 19:47:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:So, .
Incursions ruined, I'm not talking about the ISK but the comradery that went with running the incursions. Totally wiped out by CCPs fantastic idea of making these things so much harder and longer than dare I day it........running boring missions is more profitable.
Yea, that's not a contradiction at all.........
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Totalrx
NA No Assholes Silver Twilight Enterprises
22
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Posted - 2012.07.09 19:51:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:World of Tanks:
For when gate camping for a **** tier FC gets boring.
Also, pimped loltraktor > pimped noob frigs.
Wargaming has pretty much ruined WoT.
Zero damage hits that, instead f being a bug, are a feature "working as intended". Idiotic teams. New game modes that fail miserably on the old maps. The IS-7 turned into a paper bag with a gun. The list goes on and on.
The state of World of Tanks is why I reactivated my Eve account. As much as CCP does that can be termed as "ruining the game", it takes going to a game where the developers really ARE ruining it to realize that Eve isn't all that bad.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1884
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Posted - 2012.07.09 20:14:00 -
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No other game is like Eve. You can outgrow it, you can walk away from it, but you can't replace it. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Totalrx
NA No Assholes Silver Twilight Enterprises
22
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Posted - 2012.07.09 20:22:00 -
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but we always seem to walk back don't we? lol |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
223
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Posted - 2012.07.09 20:33:00 -
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I did an incursion vangaurd in 0.0 space... hell, Sansha space. found out that I could do havens by self and it would be easier and more profitable. 10 mil with 10 guys? Really? Am I really supposed to spend 3 times the time it would take to do it with 2 basi and 3 drakes? AND Risking being killed by a covert ops gang?
No, to do a sansha vangaurd in 0.0 space is an aboslute waste of time, effort and sanity.
No reason to defend it from Sansha when concord wont pay up, compared to how much they to bounties. |
Mallak Azaria
288
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Posted - 2012.07.09 20:41:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Garak Jakobs wrote:Incursions ruined, I'm not talking about the ISK but the comradery that went with running the incursions. Totally wiped out by CCPs fantastic idea of making these things so much harder and longer than dare I day it........running boring missions is more profitable. How did CCP nerf the Camaraderie? Did they change the way TS or EvE Voice works in Incursion systems? Or was it that all of your "Comrades" left for greener pastures when the isk fountain dried up. Enough with the "Incursions aren't about the ISK" lie. The disappearance of the major communities have shown it for the lie it is. Ans then your last sentence, saying that you don't do Incursions because l4s make more money... what happened to "I'm not talking about the ISK"?
Of course it couldn't possibly be about the isk for them. I mean, when incursions were changed so you couldn't farm 35mil for killing 10 NPC's, it just wasn't about the isk at all. It was about.... Yeah, it was all about the isk fountain.
I could understand the point of view from Low/Nullsec incursion runners as they had to do things a lot differently. However, the highsec incursion runners were the whole reason for the nerf as the average incursion poop-socker was making 1bil per day for killing less than 100 NPC's in highsec. |
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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
128
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Posted - 2012.07.09 22:42:00 -
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Totalrx wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:World of Tanks:
For when gate camping for a **** tier FC gets boring.
Also, pimped loltraktor > pimped noob frigs. Wargaming has pretty much ruined WoT. Zero damage hits that, instead f being a bug, are a feature "working as intended". Idiotic teams. New game modes that fail miserably on the old maps. The IS-7 turned into a paper bag with a gun. The list goes on and on. The state of World of Tanks is why I reactivated my Eve account. As much as CCP does that can be termed as "ruining the game", it takes going to a game where the developers really ARE ruining it to realize that Eve isn't all that bad.
I tend to agree. However, I still love my pimp loltraktor :) Eve forums official anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA-áReal men tank hull. Fake women shield-tank Gallente. |
Totalrx
NA No Assholes Silver Twilight Enterprises
25
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Posted - 2012.07.09 23:15:00 -
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Tiers 1-3 are still fun as heck.
Above that and it goes downhill REALLY fast lol!
And yeah, the loltraktor is a blast, but I love rolling around in a T-127. Driving that thing around reminds me of the old Ibis PVP days lol! |
Mallak Azaria
294
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Posted - 2012.07.10 01:41:00 -
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Totalrx wrote:Tiers 1-3 are still fun as heck.
Above that and it goes downhill REALLY fast lol!
And yeah, the loltraktor is a blast, but I love rolling around in a T-127. Driving that thing around reminds me of the old Ibis PVP days lol!
I stopped playing WoT about 18 months ago. I missed my OP Russian T9 medium tank (Forgot the designation, TSomething). |
Totalrx
NA No Assholes Silver Twilight Enterprises
26
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Posted - 2012.07.10 02:36:00 -
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That woulda been the T-54.....and that thing WAS a beast. |
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs New Eden Research.
285
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Posted - 2012.07.10 03:21:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:So, I love this game and have loved it since when I began. ... I love FPS shooters... I hear there may be a combination of the two coming out soon. Dirt 5000 or something. Not everyone thinks the same way you do. This doesn't automatically make them wrong. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
344
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Posted - 2012.07.10 04:03:00 -
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Nyreanya wrote:Garak Jakobs wrote:So, I love this game and have loved it since when I began. ... I love FPS shooters... I hear there may be a combination of the two coming out soon. Dirt 5000 or something.
I thought it was Grit 1070 -RubyPorto
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Mallak Azaria
295
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Posted - 2012.07.10 06:04:00 -
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Totalrx wrote:That woulda been the T-54.....and that thing WAS a beast.
That was it. I'd download the game again, but I've heard it's now terrible. |
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