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ViperTan
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.26 10:59:00 -
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It's a conspiracy, Mr H wants nobody to talk to the aliens, as they will no doubt reveal that he is an alien too, no guy can be that clever!
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Shock an Awe
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Posted - 2010.04.26 11:00:00 -
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What Hawkings is warning about is the plain fact that any civilization that comes into contact with a much more advanced civilization has fared very badly, often dying off entirely. It's not about resources or land, but simply cultural shock. So if we find out they're out there it is probably best for us to hide under a rock and hope we don't get noticed untill we catch up and can meet them on equal terms. Smart advice from a smart dude. Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenĘt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Marko Riva on 26/04/2010 11:21:39 It's like EVE really. If you lack the knowledge, prowess and SP in combat then don't smack in local. You don't need to be in a wheelchair to figure that one out.
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.04.26 11:32:00 -
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Earth is a relatively young planet, and Hawking's view, according to A Brief History of Time, is that were an alien race to visit Earth, they could be millions of years ahead of us technology-wise and would probably view us along the lines of ants. Therefore, people should be careful what they wish for.
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Karma
Vortex Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.04.26 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Karma on 26/04/2010 11:43:43 "Let's Say (For whatever Reason) You're the First Human Ever To Make Alien Contact"
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Riva Edited by: Marko Riva on 26/04/2010 11:21:39 It's like EVE really. If you lack the knowledge, prowess and SP in combat then don't smack in local. You don't need to be in a wheelchair to figure that one out.
LMAO!!!
Plus we better hope that we are not the mineral that they come to mine, secondly we should hope that we do not replace their pets or slaves.
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Hadrian Septim
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate On the Rocks
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Quake Abuse tl;dr - stephen hawking: 'beware the alien, the mutant, the heretic'
Ordo Xenos
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2010.04.26 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Vak''ran on 26/04/2010 13:09:28
Originally by: Aturi Kuomi Fair play to that man, he can talk a load of crap.
Why assume aliens are in any way similar to humans?, would want our limited resources, our banal culture or to eat us?.
Aliens don't have to be bipeds, take a physical form, feel emotion, want the same things as us or have to eat.
Considering Hawkins is meant to be an intelligent guy, he just comes across as a xenophobic idiot.
While i'd agree that any alien form of life very probably doesnt look the least bit like us - they could be 2 kilometre wide gas balloons with tentacles for all we know - some ground rules we can nowadays confidently assume to exist. For one, and probably the most important one in the context of alien agression: Its only reasonable to assume - whatever an alien's underlying chemistry is - that it is not the only form to have developed on its indiginous planet. That in itself will lead to some competition-response system, be it agression like we would recognize, or another form of competition. Chances are good that in an encounter with an older race, or at least one that has developed the ability to travel to us, there is a risk of earth's species not being able to handle that much competition, of whatever form it is.
I would call it prudent to at least question the amount of information we beam into space. Regular transmissions we cant do much about, we depend on them for our development, and in galactic terms, their reach isnt that far yet. But actively looking to make contact... could at least do with some informed thought.
On the other hand, we use the same level of technology to look for and try to contact other lifeforms as is responsible for 'leaking' al this information about us into space, with its limited reach. Aliens would need to be searching for us very hard, for our 'seaching' to have any effect
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.26 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Vak'ran
While i'd agree that any alien form of life very probably doesnt look the least bit like us - they could be 2 kilometre wide gas balloons with tentacles for all we know - some ground rules we can nowadays confidently assume to exist. For one, and probably the most important one in the context of alien agression: Its only reasonable to assume - whatever an alien's underlying chemistry is - that it is not the only form to have developed on its indiginous planet. That in itself will lead to some competition-response system, be it agression like we would recognize, or another form of competition. Chances are good that in an encounter with an older race, or at least one that has developed the ability to travel to us, there is a risk of earth's species not being able to handle that much competition, of whatever form it is.
I would call it prudent to at least question the amount of information we beam into space. Regular transmissions we cant do much about, we depend on them for our development, and in galactic terms, their reach isnt that far yet. But actively looking to make contact... could at least do with some informed thought.
On the other hand, we use the same level of technology to look for and try to contact other lifeforms as is responsible for 'leaking' al this information about us into space, with its limited reach. Aliens would need to be searching for us very hard, for our 'seaching' to have any effect
Putting Marcos' post into an non-comical and educated form
Excellent post sir.
I would not agree with all the points, but I agree with enough to give you two thumbs up.
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Vogue
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 26/04/2010 14:44:29 I wonder if some TV programs are popular with aliens. You never know Fawlty Towers could be popular with some species in Andromeda galaxy.
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:05:00 -
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In the unlikely event of the aliens figuring out how to travel faster than the speed of light, or create artificial black holes/worm holes or some-such, it's presumably not going to be cheap or easy for them to get here, so they are probably not going to be coming just to say hi. I would think that would be another reason to be very wary of them.
As to all the radio waves etc that the earth has been transmitting recently, I thought that the currant thinking was that even the tiny amount of matter in space was enough to degrade the signal before it had time to get relatively far?
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Mister Gimp
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:59:00 -
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Just suppose our electronic chatter HAD by now reached a planet with intelligent life. Surely we would have received the electronic chatter from their earliest technology before they received ours if they were more advanced than us. |
Killer Gandry
Caldari TerraNovae
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:14:00 -
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If there are smart aliens then I think Earth is the last place they want to come to. It would take the smart out of the previous sentence.
That said I personally think they have high powered camera's turned towards earth and pick of broadcastings and show earth as the random soap opera on their own channels. If we are serious then we do have to laugh at the human race as it is. I for one can't really take humanity serious because if I would then I would have to kill myself. So I just look at the biggest joke as it is. A big joke.
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:32:00 -
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I love the human-bashing in this thread. Maybe they don't want to hang with us because we're a bunch of low self-esteem asshats with the occasional God complex.
14 billion years *really* isn't a long time, especially considering the groundwork that went in to making life conditions possible. First the universe had to cool and condense, galaxies had to form and stop colliding all the time, stars had to be born and die out to provide the complex elements we're made of. Solar systems had to form, and considering that, on Earth, life had to be around for 3.9 billion years before it could even articulate its own existence, and I think we're pretty far ahead of the curve.
We'll probably end up as the bullies future life doesn't want to talk to, lest we kick sand in their face.
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Glassback
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:53:00 -
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Assuming a civilization has the ability to come here, then I am pretty sure we would have nothing of such rareness that they couldn't find find it anywhere else.
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Jago Kain
Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:37:00 -
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I have found the solution; all we have to do is get Kylie Minogue to negotiate with the horrible tentacled nasties bent on raping the Earth of it's mineral resources and things will be groovy.
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Redshirt I
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:38:00 -
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No, no.... my religious influences thru my life have always told me that we were the only inhabitants of the universe. Since they could never be wrong then I have to accept their snake oil and go about my blissful existence.
I mean its not like they change their story to fit the modern times or alter their interpretation of written word to help diffuse an obvious fallacy of their interpretations of man written words.
Our only hope is that aliens are smarter/nicer then we are cause if they aren't both it will only end up bad for one of us.
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Wuff Wuff
The Oliver Postgate Appreciation Club
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:45:00 -
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This is all pretty laughable to be honest. I'm sure my scale is vastly underestimating reality but I would guess that if the Earth took up the whole solar system by itself and we designated that as 'The Universe', in terms of the reach of our communications so far, we've done the equivalent distance of throwing a frisbee 20 feet along the beach.
- Wuffles
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Zedic
Amarr Universalis Imperium
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:49:00 -
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All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again, and again, and again, and ~ again.
"Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima |
Lt Forge
Pilots From Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:26:00 -
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I propose we all start playing random sci-fi videogames like Prey Image removed as not related to EVE Online and is much larger than the alloed size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
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Wuff Wuff
The Oliver Postgate Appreciation Club
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Zedic All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again, and again, and again, and ~ again.
tbh, all these worlds are yours except Europa. Attempt no landings there.
- Wuffles
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 26/04/2010 22:49:23
Stephen Hawking is wrong.
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Umega
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:14:00 -
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I'd have to agree with Mr Hawking 100%.
What species do humans actually co-exist with and not use to their own gains?
There isn't unlimited resources on this planet. Eventually we'll have to go looking elsewhere to continue our primal need to bang each other and the undeniable urge, given by intelligence, to surpass previous generations in every field of work.
Just as the most intelligent being on this planet does.. the most intelligent being in the universe is going to do the same to the universe as we do this planet.
Maybe, as one person noted, we are ahead of the curve IF the universe is only 14ish bil year old. Maybe we'll be the bully on the playground taking everyone else's milk money.. but then again, there is also the possibilty of the bully from another playground somehow making the trip over to ours (yeah, 'multi-verse' analogy).
I'm sure Hawking has put two together given the recent increased possibilties of their being other universes.. and realized if we know, they know.. and if they get here before we get there.. who is going to have the technological advantage to get da milk money.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Umega .. the most intelligent being in the universe is going to do the same to the universe as we do this planet.
Sure?
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Umega
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Umega .. the most intelligent being in the universe is going to do the same to the universe as we do this planet.
Sure?
Do what they want with it to promote their own goals? Yeah.. positive.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Umega
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Umega .. the most intelligent being in the universe is going to do the same to the universe as we do this planet.
Sure?
Do what they want with it to promote their own goals? Yeah.. positive.
What are those goals?
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Umega
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Umega
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Umega .. the most intelligent being in the universe is going to do the same to the universe as we do this planet.
Sure?
Do what they want with it to promote their own goals? Yeah.. positive.
What are those goals?
How the **** would I know. How would you know. We're monkies running around throwing metal poo at each other on a water covered iron rock.
Given our intelligence and what we do.. to continue onward with that intelligence and allow it to grow would exhaust this planet, and another, and another, and another given the time to do so. To think some intelligent alien race wouldn't be restricted to the same principle is trying to be optimistic, so you can hope they are morally 'better than' and thus.. our ass be saved and we should gladly welcome n talk to them without a care so we can end up jus' like them. Yeah.. realisticly, I doubt.
A species does not grow, evolve, and continue its walk along it's realitive timeline in the cosmos without rule uno - self preservation.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Umega How the **** would I know. How would you know. We're monkies running around throwing metal poo at each other on a water covered iron rock.
Given our intelligence and what we do.. to continue onward with that intelligence and allow it to grow would exhaust this planet, and another, and another, and another given the time to do so. To think some intelligent alien race wouldn't be restricted to the same principle is trying to be optimistic, so you can hope they are morally 'better than' and thus.. our ass be saved and we should gladly welcome n talk to them without a care so we can end up jus' like them. Yeah.. realisticly, I doubt.
A species does not grow, evolve, and continue its walk along it's realitive timeline in the cosmos without rule uno - self preservation.
Survival is a primary goal of most creatures on earth as you stated..
To survive you need resources. But a race that understands how to manipulate the time space relation or know natural phenomena that help with this effect, as is important for intergalatical travel, is likely to know how to convert matter as desired as well. Even humans are beginning to understand how to assemble matter themselves. So lack of resources is an unlikely problem for a highly developed race.
In fact, With advanced medicine and matter replication mechanisms, survival may be granted.
What is left as goals then? Conquest? Exploitation? But what benefit would this bring?
What would the real goals of a highly developed race be? This is a serious question. You do not know the answer and I doubt Hawkings knows the answer. So he is in no position to give any recomendations.
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Umega
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.27 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Umega on 27/04/2010 00:15:36
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 27/04/2010 00:04:15
Originally by: Umega How the **** would I know. How would you know. We're monkies running around throwing metal poo at each other on a water covered iron rock.
Given our intelligence and what we do.. to continue onward with that intelligence and allow it to grow would exhaust this planet, and another, and another, and another given the time to do so. To think some intelligent alien race wouldn't be restricted to the same principle is trying to be optimistic, so you can hope they are morally 'better than' and thus.. our ass be saved and we should gladly welcome n talk to them without a care so we can end up jus' like them. Yeah.. realisticly, I doubt.
A species does not grow, evolve, and continue its walk along it's realitive timeline in the cosmos without rule uno - self preservation.
Survival is a primary goal of most creatures on earth as you stated..
To survive you need resources. But a race that understands how to manipulate the time space relation or knows natural phenomena that help with this effect, as is important for intergalatical travel, is likely to know how to convert matter as desired as well. Even humans are beginning to understand how to assemble matter themselves. So lack of resources is an unlikely problem for a highly developed race.
In fact, with advanced medicine and matter altering mechanisms, survival may be granted.
What is left as goals then? Conquest? Exploitation? But what benefit would this bring?
What would the real goals of a highly developed race be? This is a serious question. You do not know the answer and I doubt Hawkings knows the answer.
Real goals? I stated the most important one. Self preservation.
Again.. if you look at humans, what do we do to other species? And another intelligent race is going to take what from that? Hell, we beat the crap out of each other.
They would, quite reasonably, assume we would treat them in the same manner at some point in time. So.. wipe out the 'virus' before it evolves to a point where it can infect and cause serious damage.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.27 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 27/04/2010 00:34:14
Originally by: Umega good points
The thing is, we could talk about this for a long time. But it is all speculation. We do not know what would happen if we met a truly highly developed race.
In a sense it is the good old eve principle: Risk vs Reward
The risk of meeting a highly developed race is enormous for humans. So is the potential reward.
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