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Asm Khurelem
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2012.07.09 13:43:00 -
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Why is this allowed?
Unless I'm missing something, shattered crystal pays them $1.75 per ETC referral, and SOMER blink then rewards the purchaser with 100m ISK. They may even have negotiated an improved rate, as it seems likely that many people use it, especially after seeing shattered crystal out of stock after the 250,000,000,000,000 ISK celebration. Of course, it may just be a coincidence. |
Greg Valanti
Looney Clones
55
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Posted - 2012.07.09 13:45:00 -
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Asm Khurelem wrote:Why is this allowed?
Unless I'm missing something, shattered crystal pays them $1.75 per ETC referral, and SOMER blink then rewards the purchaser with 100m ISK. They may even have negotiated an improved rate, as it seems likely that many people use it, especially after seeing shattered crystal out of stock after the 250,000,000,000,000 ISK celebration. Of course, it may just be a coincidence.
They are not giving 100M ISK, they are giving 100M in SOMER credit. That credit may or may not be paid out in ISK received from player deposits for a particular lottery, not sent as a result of a cash transaction. |
dexington
Lysergic.acid.diethylamide
30
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Posted - 2012.07.09 13:52:00 -
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Greg Valanti wrote:They are not giving 100M ISK, they are giving 100M in SOMER credit. That credit may or may not be paid out in ISK received from player deposits for a particular lottery, not sent as a result of a cash transaction.
Still seems a little shady, not that i think somerblink is involved in illegal isk transactions, all you need to do is make a rigged lottery. |
Asm Khurelem
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:00:00 -
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Greg Valanti wrote:Asm Khurelem wrote:Why is this allowed?
Unless I'm missing something, shattered crystal pays them $1.75 per ETC referral, and SOMER blink then rewards the purchaser with 100m ISK. They may even have negotiated an improved rate, as it seems likely that many people use it, especially after seeing shattered crystal out of stock after the 250,000,000,000,000 ISK celebration. Of course, it may just be a coincidence. They are not giving 100M ISK, they are giving 100M in SOMER credit. That credit may or may not be paid out in ISK received from player deposits for a particular lottery, not sent as a result of a cash transaction.
SOMER blink credit which you either lose, leave, or get in game.
It's just a layer of abstraction, it doesn't change that you're getting in game items eventually. (Of course, you could have bad luck and lose all your blinks, or just never use it, but in most cases it probably is eventually given to the purchaser in game) |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
248
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:06:00 -
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dexington wrote:Greg Valanti wrote:They are not giving 100M ISK, they are giving 100M in SOMER credit. That credit may or may not be paid out in ISK received from player deposits for a particular lottery, not sent as a result of a cash transaction. Still seems a little shady, not that i think somerblink is involved in illegal isk transactions, all you need to do is make a rigged lottery.
I'm not sure you understand the point of lotteries. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. // Throwing one's hands up in the air and crying 'cal-matar nonsense!' seems to be the new dismissive these days when someone is being neither relevant nor dignified. |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
276
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:16:00 -
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Good lord, is this the latest "exploit" of summer, 2012?
Somer Blink's operations have been openly taking place for quite some time now and hopefully CCP has taken a look to determine if things are legitimate.
Even if things appear ethically grey, why would CCP inhibit an operation that promotes the purchase of their GTCs? That's cash in the bank minus the middleman cut and electronic transaction costs.
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adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.07.09 17:01:00 -
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They are pretty much RMT and botting isk but CCP like normal don't give a ****...
I mean we are going back to the gambling when the slot machines would give you candy not money...
What did you do with the candy? Give it to the bar tender who gave you money in return.
same thing SOMER is doing you are getting isk.
I mean it gets no better than the bar gambling example.
Money could not come out of the machine, so candy did, that got exchanged for money.
The lotteries are just a racket.
Easy scripted isk making, RL money making in the forum of plex while bribing with "credit" |
JusFooling Around
JusFooling Around Corp
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Posted - 2012.07.09 18:59:00 -
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I have never played blink, Just talked to some friends who have done some winning and some losing; looked around the Blink site and read the Blink rules; lurked in the Blink chat channel and followed the saga of butthurt loser Trolls vs Blink here on General Discussion Forums.
I particularly want to thank the Trolls for helping me decide to join Blink. I mean, if this is all you can dredge up and dream up, Blink looks pretty good to me as a place where I know I will get a fair chance to maybe win some nice things.
On the slim off chance that this is a different set of trolls from the ones bumping the other attack site, I am going to copy this post and go post it on the other failed butthurt loser Trolls vs Blink forum to thank those trolls. I wouldn't want to seem like I favor one set of trolls over another.
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Brit Green
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.07.09 19:17:00 -
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I don't play them myself but I have a comment. Lottos are a license to print isk run legit. You'd have to be exceptionally greedy/stupid to ruin that money fountain by trying to grab a little extra now. The blink franchise doesn't strike me as either at a glance. |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.07.09 20:02:00 -
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adam smash wrote:They are pretty much RMT and botting isk but CCP like normal don't give a ****...
I mean we are going back to the gambling when the slot machines would give you candy not money...
What did you do with the candy? Give it to the bar tender who gave you money in return.
same thing SOMER is doing you are getting isk.
I mean it gets no better than the bar gambling example.
Money could not come out of the machine, so candy did, that got exchanged for money.
The lotteries are just a racket.
Easy scripted isk making, RL money making in the forum of plex while bribing with "credit"
People without faces have no mouths with which to speak. |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
473
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Posted - 2012.07.09 20:06:00 -
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Posting in some #3516841613138161396841984181 Teta Version 3.1 about Sommer Blink being good at what they do.
Now ready to post on some #9841968413841381368456136513538734'5248534313.86131 Goon hate post. brb |
Mallak Azaria
288
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Posted - 2012.07.09 21:08:00 -
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adam smash wrote:They are pretty much RMT and botting isk but CCP like normal don't give a ****...
I mean we are going back to the gambling when the slot machines would give you candy not money...
What did you do with the candy? Give it to the bar tender who gave you money in return.
same thing SOMER is doing you are getting isk.
I mean it gets no better than the bar gambling example.
Money could not come out of the machine, so candy did, that got exchanged for money.
The lotteries are just a racket.
Easy scripted isk making, RL money making in the forum of plex while bribing with "credit"
You seem to have forgotten to provide your compelling evidence which backs up your claim. |
Virginia Virdana
Envoy Fast Deployment
12
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Posted - 2012.07.09 21:12:00 -
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Unless I am being dense, why would you take your RMT actual cash and buy a ETC with it via a referral site. Surely you have already achieved your goal of changing ISK into actual cold hard cash?
I don't post often, but when I do, I do it with my main. |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1798
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Posted - 2012.07.09 21:17:00 -
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He is technically correct, you know.
*goes back to blinking* Better consult the chart. |
DonHel
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.07.09 23:45:00 -
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lets see here, Somer and CCP have worked together in getting this BLINK set up in a way to be legit and monitor for RMT.. CCP OWN GTC gamecards.. they sell them to shattered crystals.. if somer can direct traffic to shattered, this helps SC and CCP.. as I mentioned in first scentence " cpp and somer have worked together", this in a way seems partnerish, yes? SInce Somer is the center of the traffic coming to SC making them and CCP happy.. why should somer not get a piece of the change? CCP is not losing any money in any way ith this, they are gaining.. what SOmer chooses to do with her isk is hers to do... Quit whining because you couldnt work a deal like this yourself |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
125
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Posted - 2012.07.10 00:22:00 -
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I'm currently up 1.8bill on SOMER blink, so i personally give them the thumbs up! |
Silverdaddy
Ourapheh Holdings
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Posted - 2012.07.10 01:47:00 -
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You're just jelly. |
Kel Shek
Blue Sun Labs
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Posted - 2012.07.10 02:51:00 -
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wait wait, let me get this straight.
the OP is complaining because Blink gives a bonus of gambling chips (not actual game money, but gambling money on their site) when someone buys a particular perfectly legit item in an affiliated store.
whats the problem? buying PLEX as is, is inherently an "RMT" transaction. simply one that is condoned by CCP. the "layer of abstraction" where you get free gambling credit, makes it perfectly legit, IMO.
in essence, Blink is risking taking a hit for 100m (or more, technically) in order to support their affiliate (or whatever you'd call the relationship).
why are people so out to get blink. I get that people lose money and all, but just because you lost doesn't mean they did anything wrong.
for full disclosure, I have played Blink, and I am a good measure money ahead. (something in the range of having more than doubled my money, actually) but I have no other association to blink than that. |
Asm Khurelem
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2012.07.10 11:12:00 -
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Kel Shek wrote:wait wait, let me get this straight.
the OP is complaining because Blink gives a bonus of gambling chips (not actual game money, but gambling money on their site) when someone buys a particular perfectly legit item in an affiliated store.
whats the problem? buying PLEX as is, is inherently an "RMT" transaction. simply one that is condoned by CCP. the "layer of abstraction" where you get free gambling credit, makes it perfectly legit, IMO.
in essence, Blink is risking taking a hit for 100m (or more, technically) in order to support their affiliate (or whatever you'd call the relationship).
why are people so out to get blink. I get that people lose money and all, but just because you lost doesn't mean they did anything wrong.
for full disclosure, I have played Blink, and I am a good measure money ahead. (something in the range of having more than doubled my money, actually) but I have no other association to blink than that. You fail to note that the gambling chips have a chance of becoming in game items, quite high given 100m minimum per ETC.
I'm not out to get them, it's just unfair if SOMER blink can earn money by selling ISK and ships, but no-one else can (Well, can but may get caught). |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
286
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Posted - 2012.07.10 11:15:00 -
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adam smash wrote:They are pretty much RMT and botting isk but CCP like normal don't give a ****...
I mean we are going back to the gambling when the slot machines would give you candy not money...
What did you do with the candy? Give it to the bar tender who gave you money in return.
same thing SOMER is doing you are getting isk.
I mean it gets no better than the bar gambling example.
Money could not come out of the machine, so candy did, that got exchanged for money.
The lotteries are just a racket.
Easy scripted isk making, RL money making in the forum of plex while bribing with "credit"
i never bought a plex, i never sold a plex for isk, i have made over 300mil isk off of somer.
problem?
so some people buy plex and sell it, what they do with their isk is their problem, not ccp's.
they want to buy 100 rookie ships and suicide yulai? cool.
deposit it into somer?
who cares. |
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Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
287
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Posted - 2012.07.10 11:19:00 -
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Asm Khurelem wrote:Kel Shek wrote:wait wait, let me get this straight.
the OP is complaining because Blink gives a bonus of gambling chips (not actual game money, but gambling money on their site) when someone buys a particular perfectly legit item in an affiliated store.
whats the problem? buying PLEX as is, is inherently an "RMT" transaction. simply one that is condoned by CCP. the "layer of abstraction" where you get free gambling credit, makes it perfectly legit, IMO.
in essence, Blink is risking taking a hit for 100m (or more, technically) in order to support their affiliate (or whatever you'd call the relationship).
why are people so out to get blink. I get that people lose money and all, but just because you lost doesn't mean they did anything wrong.
for full disclosure, I have played Blink, and I am a good measure money ahead. (something in the range of having more than doubled my money, actually) but I have no other association to blink than that. You fail to note that the gambling chips have a chance of becoming in game items, quite high given 100m minimum per ETC. I'm not out to get them, it's just unfair if SOMER blink can earn money by selling ISK and ships, but no-one else can (Well, can but may get caught). ETC being allowed is irrelevant. They are the only allowed form of RMT, but this is about the referral money given to SOMER in return for causing people to buy ETC. If this is actually allowed, I could go and set up a site offering 200m ISK per ETC purchase through my referral link. The only difference is that with blink, you might not get anything because you're also gambling.
which is risk vs reward AKA EVE online.
somer credit can be lost in the blink of an eye. you can spend it all and get nothing. you can win big. it depends. its chance.
also, i dont think in nayway shape or form that somer makes MONEY.
only isk. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.07.10 11:24:00 -
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Halete wrote:dexington wrote:Greg Valanti wrote:They are not giving 100M ISK, they are giving 100M in SOMER credit. That credit may or may not be paid out in ISK received from player deposits for a particular lottery, not sent as a result of a cash transaction. Still seems a little shady, not that i think somerblink is involved in illegal isk transactions, all you need to do is make a rigged lottery. I'm not sure you understand the point of lotteries.
To get people bad at math paying an extra tax. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8471
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Posted - 2012.07.10 11:25:00 -
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Asm Khurelem wrote:I'm not out to get them, it's just unfair if SOMER blink can earn money by selling ISK and ships, but no-one else can (Well, can but may get caught). At what point are they selling ISK and ships? To whom? How do they earn money by doing so?
Quote:If this is actually allowed, I could go and set up a site offering 200m ISK per ETC purchase through my referral link. The only difference is that with blink, you might not get anything because you're also gambling. The difference is that Blink does not offer you 200M ISK and you're not paying them any RL money for it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Lancezh
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.10 11:28:00 -
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They should either close Somer blink down or make it a part of EVE. That will be the Moneysink CCP looked for so long. |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
287
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Posted - 2012.07.10 11:30:00 -
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Lancezh wrote:They should either close Somer blink down or make it a part of EVE. That will be the Moneysink CCP looked for so long. lol |
Lady Hofstedar
D-W-L EMPIRE
82
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Posted - 2012.07.10 11:43:00 -
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Asm Khurelem wrote:Why is this allowed?
Unless I'm missing something, shattered crystal pays them $1.75 per ETC referral, and SOMER blink then rewards the purchaser with 100m ISK. They may even have negotiated an improved rate, as it seems likely that many people use it, especially after seeing shattered crystal out of stock after the 250,000,000,000,000 ISK celebration. Of course, it may just be a coincidence.
Um
Please Go Away Now Thanks U Stupid Troll Face
Thats about the lowest level i can sink to to match your post - Thanks |
Asm Khurelem
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
0
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Posted - 2012.07.10 11:45:00 -
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Goremageddon Box wrote:
which is risk vs reward AKA EVE online.
somer credit can be lost in the blink of an eye. you can spend it all and get nothing. you can win big. it depends. its chance.
also, i dont think in nayway shape or form that somer makes MONEY.
only isk.
http://i.imgur.com/h5NHU.png - SOMER blink earn $1.75 per ETC you buy through their referral. If that's not earning IRL money, I don't know what is. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8471
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Posted - 2012.07.10 11:48:00 -
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Asm Khurelem wrote:http://i.imgur.com/h5NHU.png - SOMER blink earn $1.75 per ETC you buy through their referral. If that's not earning IRL money, I don't know what is. Yes, but they're not making it from the lottery. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Tanith YarnDemon
Hypernet Inc. Umbrella Chemical Inc
22
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Posted - 2012.07.10 11:56:00 -
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Asm Khurelem wrote:http://i.imgur.com/h5NHU.png - SOMER blink earn $1.75 per ETC you buy through their referral. If that's not earning IRL money, I don't know what is.
It's quite simple, they're not selling isk. You can't pay them and get isk in return. You can buy a GTC from CCP and they get their cut, but this ia already allowed. It's closer related to buying discount plexes from their clients, than selling "illegit bot isk".
You could make the argument that any service that nets the user isk and nets the host real money is a form of RMT, however in that case you would have near enough no eve-services at all. Renting a voicecom service is the same thing. Visiting eve-files so that chribba makes some of the hosting costs back on advertisement? Odessa hosting free raffles for advertisement money? Someone using gizmo/clip2net/imgur to link intel?
The big difference is that it's one way and any conversion between isk and real money pass by CCP. |
Swordfingers
Restless Obsession
19
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Posted - 2012.07.10 12:24:00 -
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Asm Khurelem wrote:Goremageddon Box wrote:
which is risk vs reward AKA EVE online.
somer credit can be lost in the blink of an eye. you can spend it all and get nothing. you can win big. it depends. its chance.
also, i dont think in nayway shape or form that somer makes MONEY.
only isk.
http://i.imgur.com/h5NHU.png - SOMER blink earn $1.75 per ETC you buy through their referral. If that's not earning IRL money, I don't know what is. Yes, they get money for advertising a website and it's product. That's business, not rmt. |
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