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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:33:00 -
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Well when someone says "The most important sideshow" what is the first thing that gets on your mind? I am sure that in the world the sentence is bound to soccer, but generally it is about sports. Billions of people every weekend head towards stadiums, arenas or just tv to follow their teams, heroes. In Europe and Africa it is soccer, in USA its American football or baseball. In Australia is rugby and in Asia, well being so big its all kind of sports.
So why not make an universe, EVE universe popular sport? Well guys i got an idea, which with a bit of hard work, can get live easily. Imagine every week being able to follow your teams, discuss of the past or incoming games. Cheering, laughing,cursing or being desperate, or or or participating in that league, to be a star, to be loved and hated.
Imagine what possibilities, what potential it could bring to EVE. - Professional sport corps - Training corps - Some more of shady affairs - New sources of income like (sponsors, winning prices, betting) - and everything else your mind can come up with
Oke you will now ask "What sport can it be"? Well in EVE fashion, what else would be than fireworks, ships exploding all around.
Guys i present you FML as "Frigate mania League"
What is it about?
It is about teams consisted of T1 frigates trying to beat each other just like on the Alliance tournament. We would have a league which would be led by an Alliance and consisted of corp/teams which would every weekend compete against each other. The winner would be ofc the one that gets the most points at the end of the season (3 for a win, 1 for a draw and 0 for a loss).
It surely would bring something new to the game and it would be driven mostly by players. - organisation - control - commentators - founding
It would be some kind of not instanced battlegrounds.
But being a CCP game, organizer of "Frigate Mania League" would of course work a lot with developers so we could deliver the ultimate experience to the community. The help from CCP would be mostly technical.
The idea is to field T1 frigates with only T2 modules and T2 or faction ammunition. Implants except the on for attributes and boosters would not be allowed. it would be 5v5 matches. This would be for the first season. If we would feel the need to be expanded to 10v10 and T2 frigates also it would be very easy, but for the beginning it is supposed to be 5v5 and T1 frigates. Why?
- Easier to organize - Almost no cost at all for competitors (every ship will be brought by teams them selves) - Low margins to enter and participate in the league (new ppl would have easy time to join the competition) - Frigate gang pvp is always fun
How the league would work?
There would be an Alliance named "Frigate Mania League" that will run the show, with the surveillance of CCP of course. Teams that would participate, will exist as a Corp in that alliance. People working for the alliance management would run/organize the whole show. On the Corp back would rest the finances to keep alive the teams, to compete every weekend and ofc to follow the rules of the League itself.
For each season Corps/Teams will have to pay a fee to compete and to prove that they can survive it (pay their bills :D). There would be 1 season per one year. It wont be lots of isk to invest. Of course the more wins or successful a team is, it will return that isk and earn lots more.
Every corp should be made of the management which will earn money (by industry, trading, ratting or whatever other way) and the team part, who would have contracts and get paid each month for their competing. Management/team can be an only body also. the prices for winning games and League would go to Corp. Its left to the Corp and team to arrange how that money will be spent.
These are examples of how finances in this sport would work.
Teams to be properly registered will need minimum 7 players, 5 players to compete and 2 to sit on the bench, so they can be changed between matches, because to win a match will be needed to win 2 of 3. The maximum number of players that can be registered for a season in one team will be 10.
As a sport we will try to keep it as much fair as it can be. Alts wont be allowed. Because it could end up tweaking the games. The "Alliance Mania League" will have a tribunal who will constantly be trying to spot iregularities so they can be punished.
Punishments will be like large fee's and expulsion of players and Teams/corps for 1-2 or forever years
How the match will work?
there will be 2 teams opposing each other, it will be a 5v5 match. Teams can bring 2 more players to sit on the bench and change em between the games for whatever reason they think is ok (for more experience or more skills in certain way of flying a frigate). It should look like exactly as it is on the alliance tournament with some minor changes.
- A game will take place in the arena where if u leave it, u get insta popped. - A game will have its duration limit - A game ends when the time elapses, or 1 team kills all ships of the opposite team - Frigates wont have points assigned. So if 3 games finish with both teams having destroyed exact number of ships, the match will end as a draw - It wont be possible to field 2 same types of ship (Example: 2 Rifters, but u ll be able to field 2 frigates that are focused on damage like a Rifter and a Punisher) - Won match gives 3 points, a draw 1 point and the loss gives nothing. - After every match won, the winning team will get an amount of isk. If its finished as a draw both teams will split the winning pot.
My taught is to have an asteroid made exactly for this sport and put in middle of the arena. We might see some not skilled players bump on the asteroids and so lose an advantage gained before. But with this idea we would be more dependent on technical part of this project, which i want to take it to the minimum.
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:33:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:33:00 -
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mxzf
Blackened Skies
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:08:00 -
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Why? Eve is already a game, why try to put a game inside it.
Also, almost all of the stuff you're saying this would add to the game is already in the game.
- Professional sport corps Sovholding alliances
- Training corps There are already training corps in the game
- Some more of shady affairs This is Eve, shady affairs are already everywhere in the game
- New sources of income like (sponsors, winning prices, betting) You can already get people to sponsor or bet on nullsec sovwar if you really want to, and the prizes for winning are pride and the other alliance's space. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.07.09 16:03:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Why? Eve is already a game, why try to put a game inside it.
Also, almost all of the stuff you're saying this would add to the game is already in the game.
- Professional sport corps Sovholding alliances
- Training corps There are already training corps in the game
- Some more of shady affairs This is Eve, shady affairs are already everywhere in the game
- New sources of income like (sponsors, winning prices, betting) You can already get people to sponsor or bet on nullsec sovwar if you really want to, and the prizes for winning are pride and the other alliance's space.
Well even better if it is already everything in the game, will be easier to deliver than. But it is not everything, we d need the Arenas, smth like the Alliance tournament has. An EVE universe wide sport will add lot more content for ppl to participate or to follow it and build interesting event around it. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2012.07.09 17:59:00 -
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No to arenas. You want an arena, make one your ****ing self with a few anchored cans and some lookouts. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.07.09 19:23:00 -
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You don't need CCP for this. Set up the rules and sponsor it yourself. Offer prizes and try to get some notable people involved. You can even do it in high sec if you know what you're doing. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.07.10 07:10:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:You don't need CCP for this. Set up the rules and sponsor it yourself. Offer prizes and try to get some notable people involved. You can even do it in high sec if you know what you're doing.
Nah it cant be done without people messing with matches. There would be lot of interference knowing EVE online players and our habit to screw other ppl over. Thats why i d need the Alliance tournament mechanism for isolating the competitors from the public.
CCP needs to have their hand in it. It will be a lot of content provided to us. Like when CCP intruduced Incursions, it added lot of fun stuff for players. This will be simillar just lot more player driven.
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Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.07.10 07:43:00 -
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Host the matches in an empty backwater system and don't announce the location until you start broadcasting. I sincerely doubt a 5v5 t1 frigate brawl is going to last long enough for someone to scan down the match and warp in with a ship suitable to wreck the match.
And if that really isn't enough, there are still plenty of options for mitigating the probability of interference. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.07.10 08:06:00 -
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Milton Middleson wrote:Host the matches in an empty backwater system and don't announce the location until you start broadcasting. I sincerely doubt a 5v5 t1 frigate brawl is going to last long enough for someone to scan down the match and warp in with a ship suitable to wreck the match.
And if that really isn't enough, there are still plenty of options for mitigating the probability of interference.
Yep it is an option, a good one and i d say the only one. But the game will be to win 2 matches of 3. U need preparations for each match and each match will last 10 mins. So plenty of time to mess with it. But it is an option and those numbers can be modified like to win 1 match which will last tops 10 mins. But yeah taken in account.
My intention is to have live streams, commenteries, spectators etc, make it a real laid back show, for ppl to follow it and watch it or participate in it. Make it a real sport where 20 teams will compete with each other every season. And with that mechanism it will be lot easier and fluent to organize.
CCP sais that it provides us the tools so we can make our game. That tool is already in the game used for Alliance tournaments, with a bit of tweaking it can be adapted for usage by players also.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:16:00 -
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Providing regular players the powers required to start a tourney match would be disastrous. And I think we all know that CCP doesn't want to get involved in managing a league-style "sport" that would require regular effort on the part of their staff.
The sandbox is there with all the tools to make your idea happen. You're just opting to not use them, because it would be hard. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.07.11 05:45:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Providing regular players the powers required to start a tourney match would be disastrous. And I think we all know that CCP doesn't want to get involved in managing a league-style "sport" that would require regular effort on the part of their staff.
The sandbox is there with all the tools to make your idea happen. You're just opting to not use them, because it would be hard.
Well i dont see anything disastrous in it. It will give new content to the community, will be fun to participate and to watch and it d be 90% player driven at beginning and after 99,99%. It also could attract new players to the game because it d weekly streamed on own 3d, and skilling up for a frigate, practicing with em, loosing em is not much of a deal.
All tools aint there, thats why we have the assembly hall to propose some ideas, new features etc. And it doesnt even demand massive effort, because the tool that is needed for this project is already in the game, just not available to players.
And believe me, i did lot of brainstorming on this, and without the Arena like Alliance tournament has cant be done, without oversimplifying it and making it dull. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.07.11 10:46:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:You don't need CCP for this. Set up the rules and sponsor it yourself. Offer prizes and try to get some notable people involved. You can even do it in high sec if you know what you're doing. Nah it cant be done without people messing with matches. There would be lot of interference knowing EVE online players and our habit to screw other ppl over. Thats why i d need the Alliance tournament mechanism for isolating the competitors from the public.
Yes it can. Do it in a cynojammed dead-end system your alliance holds, and don't allow anybody other than the competitors to enter. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.07.11 10:56:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:You don't need CCP for this. Set up the rules and sponsor it yourself. Offer prizes and try to get some notable people involved. You can even do it in high sec if you know what you're doing. Nah it cant be done without people messing with matches. There would be lot of interference knowing EVE online players and our habit to screw other ppl over. Thats why i d need the Alliance tournament mechanism for isolating the competitors from the public. Yes it can. Do it in a cynojammed dead-end system your alliance holds, and don't allow anybody other than the competitors to enter.
Hehehe yeah close enough...but unfortunately u cannot keep a system closed 24h a day. Ppl will be able to grief if they want. cloaky bombers can pass easily gate camps, or ppl can log off their alts and w8 for macthes to begin. And also the spectator mode wldnt be possible.
But yeah good one it goes in line what Milton said. So if i had to make the league working at any cost (lot simplified) that d be the measurements i d take. |
mxzf
Blackened Skies
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:48:00 -
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The easiest way I can think of to run a system like this would be to use WHs. Give the participants a system to meet in and a short warning. Then find a WH within 10j of that system and have people go into the WH for the match. Then you can either just run the match quick or chain-collapse the WH and find a new exit after the match. If you accidentally end up in an occupied WH and the occupants take offense, well, you have two PvP fleets with you already.
This would be relatively simple to run and wouldn't require sov or cynojammers or anything like that. It would be relatively secure too; someone could crash the party if they really wanted too, but it'd be just about impossible without a participant giving away the location, which would immediately disqualify them and give them whatever bad rep you can dream up.
It is possible to run a tournament with the current mechanics, and to mitigate the risks of someone crashing the party. You just have to think a bit outside the box. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.11 16:50:00 -
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or use sisi Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Ships to goo calc - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107898 |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:44:00 -
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mxzf wrote:The easiest way I can think of to run a system like this would be to use WHs. Give the participants a system to meet in and a short warning. Then find a WH within 10j of that system and have people go into the WH for the match. Then you can either just run the match quick or chain-collapse the WH and find a new exit after the match. If you accidentally end up in an occupied WH and the occupants take offense, well, you have two PvP fleets with you already.
This would be relatively simple to run and wouldn't require sov or cynojammers or anything like that. It would be relatively secure too; someone could crash the party if they really wanted too, but it'd be just about impossible without a participant giving away the location, which would immediately disqualify them and give them whatever bad rep you can dream up.
It is possible to run a tournament with the current mechanics, and to mitigate the risks of someone crashing the party. You just have to think a bit outside the box.
Ahm WH are an option yes, i thought about it. But the selection of random WH's is just not possible for the league to function fluently. What i was thinking is to make an agreement with some strong WH Corps/Alliances that have settled strongholds to allow us for 1 day to execute scheduled matches. Every week i d choose different hosts.
This would be benefitial for both. The hosts would get some nice promotion of their Alliances/corps and maybe even some iskies.
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mxzf
Blackened Skies
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:44:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:But the selection of random WH's is just not possible for the league to function fluently.
How so? There are WHs in most highsec systems at any given time and you're entering the WH with a pair of PvP fleets with you. You shouldn't have any issues at all hopping in, having a quick fight, and hopping out. Yes, it does take a bit of work probing, but that doesn't take much time at all once you're good at it (and if you do it right, you can even pick up some ISK along the way from the other exploration sites). |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.07.16 07:18:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:But the selection of random WH's is just not possible for the league to function fluently. How so? There are WHs in most highsec systems at any given time and you're entering the WH with a pair of PvP fleets with you. You shouldn't have any issues at all hopping in, having a quick fight, and hopping out. Yes, it does take a bit of work probing, but that doesn't take much time at all once you're good at it (and if you do it right, you can even pick up some ISK along the way from the other exploration sites).
Yeah i understand you point. But i was in WHs for some time and especially those with highsec entrances/exits have lots of transitients and also quite few ppl that are after easy preys. And this is not about getting in have a fight and getting out.
My intention is to have a league of 20 teams so that is 10 matches every sunday. It really cant be done on the go it wouldnt be fun for the participants nor for the spectators.
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
149
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Posted - 2012.07.16 10:06:00 -
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I heard a rumour that when CCP finally dare to approach the "walking in stations" thing again (2015 is the current estimate of when they'll be confident enough to touch it again) that the first thing they're going to do is add giant gladiatorial arenas in the amarr stations |
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.07.18 07:52:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:I heard a rumour that when CCP finally dare to approach the "walking in stations" thing again (2015 is the current estimate of when they'll be confident enough to touch it again) that the first thing they're going to do is add giant gladiatorial arenas in the amarr stations
never heard of that, but yea d be smth awesome for this sport. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:28:00 -
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*From memory* C-Eve had an anniversary race type thing where GMs made a race course with large T2 bubbles and various obstacles (think belts). Players would then enter the track for duels or as teams .. once scrambled by bubbles there were no rules other than whatever limits were announced regarding mods and such.
Was a grainy video once upon a time, but I'll be damned if I can find it ..
That was made from what they had on hand, if done with Dev support the sky is the limit when it comes to how elaborate it can be made, also allows it to be made into a semi permanent feature.
Straight up duelling or arena type fighting akin to the CCP Giftshop For Nullbears Tournament is lame beyond comprehension and would be abused/broken/exploited after a week when CCP's ADHD kicks in again. Besides, we can flip cans or make arranged fights whenever and where ever we want (Ex: RvB is basically just a massive ongoing pre-arranged fight(club) complete with rules and regulations). |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.07.20 22:18:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Straight up duelling or arena type fighting akin to the CCP Giftshop For Nullbears Tournament is lame beyond comprehension and would be abused/broken/exploited after a week when CCP's ADHD kicks in again. Besides, we can flip cans or make arranged fights whenever and where ever we want (Ex: RvB is basically just a massive ongoing pre-arranged fight(club) complete with rules and regulations). TheGunslinger42 wrote:... the first thing they're going to do is add giant gladiatorial arenas in the amarr stations Not so much gladiatorial arenas as feeding pits/areas for the slaver hounds
Well if the AT is lame than the league would be lame also, i dont find it lame. The league d be smth a bit more complicated then can flipping duels, there would lots of things goin around it. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
829
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Posted - 2012.07.21 21:47:00 -
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No to Arena.
Yes to turning Alliance Tournament into a season and not just a lottery draw.
A list of fixes for the new inventory
Dual Pane idea clicky |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.07.22 06:38:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:No to Arena.
Yes to turning Alliance Tournament into a season and not just a lottery draw.
Its not arena like in wow. I just named the mechanics that CCP uses for AT "the Arena". And AT wldnt be turned, this d coexist with AT. |
Hale Egdald
All I do is pew pew pew no matter what what...
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Posted - 2012.07.24 03:12:00 -
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Honestly, this is a somewhat acceptable idea, with an extremely lazy OP....
To iterate, taking over a C1 Wormhole, and locking it down, during actual gameplay would be an easy way to prepare matches... Your 'asteroid' that you badly need CCP to make for you could indeed just be a can sitting in the middle of a safespot... or hell, just put a ship with a big fancy title in the middle... (put a nag in there, make it look like a central tower xD)
Your idea isn't lacking in any regards, except for the fact that you're too scared or lazy (maybe both) to do it yourself... It's not really that hard to advertise, all you'd have to do is drop cans in every .5-.7 you could find, and you'd get some attention... Advertise on Blink or something, and you're golden...
The actual battles would have to be something more complex than "5v5 T1 frigs"... there's no style in that, that's lame lame lame... maybe if there was a different stipulation added for each match, you'd be able to find some interesting middle ground between lameness and overkill...
Building on your money circulation system, just add a gambling corp, donate to the corp with a message on who you're betting on, and then you have income, (this would obviously have to be somewhat monitored, or matches would get rigged like no other)
You have a good idea, but you lack the mind and effort to actually see it put into action... I wouldn't be surprised to see someone come in here and steal your idea, only to make billions and billions of isk >.>
Laziness is killing you here, because you have 100% of what you need. |
Ximiana
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:49:00 -
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Well i am a big fan of sports. I think it d be awesome to have this going in New Eden. Will have lot more content to follow and read about while i am in my office. And i think it pretty doable.
+1 from me |
Nockturna
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.01 09:03:00 -
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Great stuff +1111 from me. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.08.04 08:17:00 -
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Ximiana wrote:Well i am a big fan of sports. I think it d be awesome to have this going in New Eden. Will have lot more content to follow and read about while i am in my office. And i think it pretty doable.
+1 from me
hehe true i thought about the office time also :DD spent in a quality manner
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