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NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
79
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:14:00 -
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Sa'haira wrote:NightmareX wrote:Just because you have to manouver with a HAC doesn't make it any harder than staying alive against a force 2-3 times bigger than your fleet in empire. hahahaha priceless. i've shown this quote to everyone, it deserves to be famous.
Thank you. Just do it, because it will show how useless you are in empire lol. |
NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
79
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:17:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:NightmareX wrote:Just because you have to manouver with a HAC doesn't make it any harder than staying alive against a force 2-3 times bigger than your fleet in empire Lots of rabble rabble rabble
Let me ask you why you think it's not risky to do PVP in empire?
Now you will say: You have logistics. Yeah we have, but they can get jammed. So it's not risk free.
Or you will say: But you can just dock up. Yeah we can, but we have to stay alive for one minute. It's not that easy if our war targets have 2-3 times bigger fleet than us and thne on top of that can jam our logistics. In other words, it's not risk free.
Or you will say this: You just sits there and press F1-F8. Yeah what other should we do when our war targets just sits there to. Should we just orbit them at 5 km with the MWD on?
Or i'm pretty sure you will say this to: Empire PVP is gay. Yeah, empire PVP is gay for 0.0 space bears. But then, the 0.0 space population is tiny small compared to the population in empire. So i don't take tips from idiots in 0.0 space who thinks an empire PVP movie should be made in the same way as a 0.0 space movie. |
Sa'haira
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
6
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:24:00 -
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lol, because your remote reps are invulnerable? it's not hard to understand. |
NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
79
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:25:00 -
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Sa'haira wrote:lol, because your remote reps are invulnerable? it's not hard to understand.
And if the logistics get jammed, then what happens next?
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Praetor Abre-Kai
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:56:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:Sa'haira wrote:lol, because your remote reps are invulnerable? it's not hard to understand. And if the logistics get jammed, then what happens next? Yes, they will either dock up and undock right away (if this is at a station) or they will just wait for the ECM timer to stop. In other words, we are fully vulnerable to brutal DPS without logistics help for a little while until they are back. So it's risky. And if our passive armor tanked Battleships can't get repped by our logistics under heavy fire, then guess what, it's game over then. So it's quite alot of risks in empire PVP. And i don't know why you think this is risk free PVP.
This dude should join the SoCo with how much he sits on the station and plays undock games. |
NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
79
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:57:00 -
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Praetor Abre-Kai wrote:NightmareX wrote:Sa'haira wrote:lol, because your remote reps are invulnerable? it's not hard to understand. And if the logistics get jammed, then what happens next? Yes, they will either dock up and undock right away (if this is at a station) or they will just wait for the ECM timer to stop. In other words, we are fully vulnerable to brutal DPS without logistics help for a little while until they are back. So it's risky. And if our passive armor tanked Battleships can't get repped by our logistics under heavy fire, then guess what, it's game over then. So it's quite alot of risks in empire PVP. And i don't know why you think this is risk free PVP. This dude should join the SoCo with how much he sits on the station and plays undock games.
It's pretty clear that you don't know Rebirth at all.
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Amantus
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
76
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Posted - 2012.07.14 01:08:00 -
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Praetor Abre-Kai
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.07.14 01:17:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:Praetor Abre-Kai wrote:NightmareX wrote:Sa'haira wrote:lol, because your remote reps are invulnerable? it's not hard to understand. And if the logistics get jammed, then what happens next? Yes, they will either dock up and undock right away (if this is at a station) or they will just wait for the ECM timer to stop. In other words, we are fully vulnerable to brutal DPS without logistics help for a little while until they are back. So it's risky. And if our passive armor tanked Battleships can't get repped by our logistics under heavy fire, then guess what, it's game over then. So it's quite alot of risks in empire PVP. And i don't know why you think this is risk free PVP. This dude should join the SoCo with how much he sits on the station and plays undock games. It's pretty clear that you don't know Rebirth at all.
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Khanh'rhh
1619
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Posted - 2012.07.14 01:32:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:Sa'haira wrote:lol, because your remote reps are invulnerable? it's not hard to understand. And if the logistics get jammed, then what happens next? Yes, they will either dock up and undock right away (if this is at a station) or they will just wait for the ECM timer to stop. In other words, we are fully vulnerable to brutal DPS without logistics help for a little while until they are back. So it's risky. And if our passive armor tanked Battleships can't get repped by our logistics under heavy fire, then guess what, it's game over then. So it's quite alot of risks in empire PVP. And i don't know why you think this is risk free PVP.
The problem is, all these risks are present everywhere else PLUS every other risk. Highsec is literally (by design) the safest space making it (by design) the space where you can PVP with lowest risk.
You compound this by then only ever fighting within a docking ring such that your maxiumum exposure to danger is 60seconds, which is a lot of time on 150k EHP battleships.
Unless you don't turn hardeners on there is almost nothing that can go wrong.
Wardec PVP affords you perfect intel on the target, every time. I really don't see how you can ever lose, which is why most empire PVP is pointless station games where no one actually pops.
- "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
penifSMASH
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
113
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Posted - 2012.07.14 01:35:00 -
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This thread and video are a wonderful troll. My hat's off to you. |
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Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal Ushra'Khan
28
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Posted - 2012.07.14 01:40:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:Johnny Rook wrote:i'm trying to help you. You could make like 60mil an hour. Good for you But damn, 15 pages already on my topic. You guys really want this movie on the first page of the 'My EVE' forum section i see. Now that's fantastic.
Confirming, this is the most hilarious thread on eve-o. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven. |
NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
79
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Posted - 2012.07.14 01:49:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:NightmareX wrote:Sa'haira wrote:lol, because your remote reps are invulnerable? it's not hard to understand. And if the logistics get jammed, then what happens next? Yes, they will either dock up and undock right away (if this is at a station) or they will just wait for the ECM timer to stop. In other words, we are fully vulnerable to brutal DPS without logistics help for a little while until they are back. So it's risky. And if our passive armor tanked Battleships can't get repped by our logistics under heavy fire, then guess what, it's game over then. So it's quite alot of risks in empire PVP. And i don't know why you think this is risk free PVP. The problem is, all these risks are present everywhere else PLUS every other risk. Highsec is literally (by design) the safest space making it (by design) the space where you can PVP with lowest risk. You compound this by then only ever fighting within a docking ring such that your maxiumum exposure to danger is 60seconds, which is a lot of time on 150k EHP battleships. Within the structure of EvE PVP, there is no scenario in which there is less risk than in what you are doing in this video... except maybe can flipping a 5 day old miner. Unless you don't turn hardeners on there is almost nothing that can go wrong. Wardec PVP affords you perfect intel on the target, every time. I really don't see how you can ever lose, which is why most empire PVP is pointless station games where no one actually pops.
Then stop calling empire PVP for risk free then. All you do is to get to much obsessed with the security status of the system and then think the higher the security status of the system is the safer it is.
For a miners perspective or missions runners perspective, then this might be true. But when it comes to empire PVP under war decs, it's not.
You can PVP with low risk in empire as you can PVP in 0.0 space with low risk of dying to. So what's your point here really?
Ok, here is a clue for you. Stations and gates exist in 0.0 space to and most fights there happens there to, so why are you talking about that we are in the docking ring in empire when most do the same things in 0.0 space to?
And just to make things even more clear. When you are in 0.0 space and are gathering information about the enemy fleet that are 5 jumps from you. It's much easier for those who are in 0.0 space to get the right information about what ships they have and about how many they have in their fleet.
If you are doing PVP in Jita or the other populated trade hubs. It's almost impossible to get the right information about how many ship and what kind of ships they have ready in a safespot 50k km from Jita 4-4 station, simply because Jita is to much crowded to be able to find where that fleet is and to get the exact information on how many and what ships they have ready to warp in on top of us.
Doing this is much much more easier in a random 0.0 space system since 0.0 space systems is normally not crowded with tons of other ships all around in the system. So it's much easier to find the fleet and to get the info about what ships they have and how many ships they have to.
I have almost done the mistake of aggroing a bait ship at Jita 4-4 (yeah i luckily didn't aggro it) sometimes. One time i was sitting in my Vindicator there and only had the bait locked.
10 seconds later they warped in 10-12 Battleships right on top of my ass. It's things like this that you never know about in crowded trade hubs in empire.
Thus, empire PVP is way more risky when it's done in Jita or other trade hubs. There is a reason why Jita is the most dangerous system in EVE. |
Mirrodin
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.07.14 02:26:00 -
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Came from Reddit expecting complete fail. Left satisfied.
You sir, don't know what you're doing. I hope your Corp/Alliance boots you for giving them such a terrible reputation all of a sudden. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
271
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Posted - 2012.07.14 02:31:00 -
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http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/508/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |
Tertiacero
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
1
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Posted - 2012.07.14 03:20:00 -
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You really know you're **** at pvp when every imaginable aspect of it could be improved by simply running incursions for a few weeks |
Holy8th
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
0
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Posted - 2012.07.14 04:21:00 -
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Oh dear god, please tell me this thread is a massive troll. This actually made me laugh quite a bit.
On to the pvp vid. Nice editing, well done, although the fights were lackluster at the most. Looks like each fight had multiple neutral rr on the field, which tends to make a fight boring to watch. Sorry bud, but 0 risk highsec pvp with neutral gaurdians isnt the kind of thing that people want to see in a video, expecially those who are new to the game, and trying to see what pvp is like. Without the Neutral reps and a decent fight, then it wouldve actually looked good.
Just pressing F1-F3 and sitting on station doesent cut it on the excitement factor that a pvp video is supposed to bring. Try taking the fight off of the station, and off of a gate and that may show a lot more action and excitement. I wouldve preferred watching ONE very good fight, then looking at all this riskless pvp with neutral rep on station/gate. Sorry if you actually did this in the video but i started to skim it after the first couple of fights as it was REALLY boring >.>
On another note, good ol reddit supplying links to delusional derpage, happy to see I wasent disappointed. |
Ohh Yeah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
122
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Posted - 2012.07.14 06:28:00 -
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You constantly post about how risky it is because things can go wrong (Oh no, 2 of my 4 neutral RR are jammed and need to dock and undock to get reps back up)
Please post videos where all 4 of your RR get jammed and you dock in 10% structure, or get into a DPS race where you are trying to whittle down incoming DPS in order to survive.
Make the videos interesting. Don't say "BUT THERE'S SO MUCH RISK INVOLVED" (which I contend there is not), but instead post videos where **** hits the fan and you show your pr0 piloting abilities to bail yourself out.
I could post a video of me rubbing peanut butter all over my body () and argue "Holy **** I've never been exposed to that before, I could have been allergic and died". That was a bad analogy and would still make an interesting video by itself, but you get the point. |
Male Duckface
Club Bear
5
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Posted - 2012.07.14 06:46:00 -
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Just found out that this guy exists. What an amazing thread. Never leaving docking range of a station is easily the lowest form of PVP. You should look into World of Warcraft dude I think it's a bit more your speed.
EDIT: How have ancillary shield boosters changed your little world of hisec station games? |
BBQ FTW
The Hatchery Team Liquid
9
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Posted - 2012.07.14 06:59:00 -
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Quote:Thus, empire PVP is way more risky when it's done in Jita or other trade hubs. There is a reason why Jita is the most dangerous system in EVE.
Your arguments have proved quite eye-opening -- I agree, there's unforeseen risks everywhere.
Hell, a few days ago I was shooting cyno frigates in lowsec. Imagine if the magnate had a skirmish linked RF point and had a full gang a few jumps away waiting to titan bridge onto me. And then it hit me -- what if the other guy in local was a cloaked Rapier ready to cyno in another 20 bombers, 2 Falcons, and several Redeemers?
Its not quite as risky as the pvp you do in the hellish warzone that is the Jita undock, but its up there, wouldn't you agree?
I don't understand why my corpmates mock the concept of me frapsing these compelling solo engagements for release in my upcoming pvp film, Black Rise: Cyno Police.
Thank you for confirming my intuitions that they are all trolls. |
Mordax Ibrium
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
7
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Posted - 2012.07.14 07:25:00 -
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Male Duckface wrote:Just found out that this guy exists. What an amazing thread. Never leaving docking range of a station is easily the lowest form of PVP. You should look into World of Warcraft dude I think it's a bit more your speed.
EDIT: How have ancillary shield boosters changed your little world of hisec station games?
Not sure those ancillary shield boosters can transfer shield from a neutral alt so I'd say not at all? |
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FreshClip
Tax On Happyness
42
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Posted - 2012.07.14 07:38:00 -
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Posting in an epic thread.
As someone who has a long history of high-sec pvp i can attest to the fact that it's about as fun to watch as catching aids.
After the 1st fight i skipped through to the end. Also the editing is very messy IMO.
Nice job kicking up a sh*t storm to attract views though, good sir.
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BBQ FTW
The Hatchery Team Liquid
9
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Posted - 2012.07.14 07:51:00 -
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For those of you who doubt that Empire pvpers are cunning strategists, I invite you to read this thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=272282
From the grandmaster of Empire pvp himself, a certain Mr. Kai86 of Rebirth.:
Quote:those scores are after 2 weeks of war where we fought all 3 on their terms while outnumbered and grouped together because if we did not they would dock and log out for the evening. Knowing that we like good fights, we have spread ourselves out a little bit more than usual. We recently had a spy implanted into us from ADOPT who's goal was to kill the 100 percent efficiency we had VS ADOPT. He did this by losing a ship on the 4-4 undock and then losing a corpies' as well because of lack or rep/help during that fight. They used this underhanded tactic to get back at us because we dropped them like a bad habit. After the loss we were all feeling a bit ticked off that they would stoop that low so we decided to do the same.
We implanted one of our alts with the sole intent on losing ships under the ADOPT flag to right the wrong that they made. Once he was in, he immediately lost a Megathron Navy Issue x2 and a Navy Geddon. We were going to do machariels out of spite but it would have been too obvious. You can only marvel in shocked silence upon reading about this maneuver -- who else could come up with the idea of intentionally suiciding expensive ships under your enemy's corp ticker to drop their efficiency?
Brilliant. |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
138
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Posted - 2012.07.14 09:23:00 -
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OP talks about HAC's and how easy they are to fly.
He claims there is skill, sitting @ zero m/s on an undock that is 40+km in every direction, he hits turns on his hardners and then targets and puts on his guns. Moves over to his other 3 screens and staggers reps on himself. Cant tank it, overheat reps to see, cant tank it, deaggro and say GF in local, proceed to stay docked until more RR is available.
This is about as complicated as it gets.
You engage 10 man gang on gate with your single cynabal, you have to keep range at first and pick a target that is seperating off the gang, get rid of a fast tackler or make sure rapier/falcon are not cloaked nearby before you commit to point range. Then you have to proceed to shoot this said target, while watching out for ecm drones, falcon, rapier and any new targets landing on grid like a ceptor/AF. You have to stay out of scram range which is less than 11km away, 15 if your overheating your point.
Doing all this while maintaining range and the rest of his gang.
Your target is now dead, you are low on shield and you need to get out before the camp gets bigger. Oh **** cant dock, have to fight your way out.
Confirming this all sounds so very easy.
I dont even know why I am posting in this thread anymore.
The OP is an idiot, the video is terrible and its basically 10+pages of him multi-quoting people trying to prove a point he doesn't understand. Not a single person in this thread but him has backed up his "Highsec pvp is risky, even with 4 neutral RR".
Complete, idiot. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
weedmasta
Veto. Veto Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.07.14 09:44:00 -
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5 Guardians in a 16 man gang...you guys are crap tbh |
Hardin
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
30
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Posted - 2012.07.14 11:44:00 -
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BBQ FTW wrote:For those of you who doubt that Empire pvpers are cunning strategists, I invite you to read this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=272282From the grandmaster of Empire pvp himself, a certain Mr. Kai86 of Rebirth.: Quote:those scores are after 2 weeks of war where we fought all 3 on their terms while outnumbered and grouped together because if we did not they would dock and log out for the evening. Knowing that we like good fights, we have spread ourselves out a little bit more than usual. We recently had a spy implanted into us from ADOPT who's goal was to kill the 100 percent efficiency we had VS ADOPT. He did this by losing a ship on the 4-4 undock and then losing a corpies' as well because of lack or rep/help during that fight. They used this underhanded tactic to get back at us because we dropped them like a bad habit. After the loss we were all feeling a bit ticked off that they would stoop that low so we decided to do the same.
We implanted one of our alts with the sole intent on losing ships under the ADOPT flag to right the wrong that they made. Once he was in, he immediately lost a Megathron Navy Issue x2 and a Navy Geddon. We were going to do machariels out of spite but it would have been too obvious. You can only marvel in shocked silence upon reading about this maneuver -- who else could come up with the idea of intentionally suiciding expensive ships under your enemy's corp ticker to drop their efficiency? Brilliant.
Brilliant - simply brilliant!
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ArmyOfMe
Omniscient Order
96
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Posted - 2012.07.14 12:27:00 -
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NightmareX wrote: Not from the risk free 0.0 space carebear heaven no, but from the 80+% that are living in empire, then most or many will agree or support me.
well i live in empire these days and so does my corp, and none of us agree with you. Neither does any other high sec pvpers i know. So i call bullsh1t on your claim Suleiman Shouaa> And you still think you're taking risks? NightmareX> I do. I take risks every day. But i do whatever i can to make sure i'm not ending up in a loss.
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ArmyOfMe
Omniscient Order
96
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Posted - 2012.07.14 12:43:00 -
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The worst thing is that a lot of ppl here think your a troll, but since i know who you are in rl, i know for a fact that you really are this dumb Suleiman Shouaa> And you still think you're taking risks? NightmareX> I do. I take risks every day. But i do whatever i can to make sure i'm not ending up in a loss.
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Khanh'rhh
1620
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Posted - 2012.07.14 13:18:00 -
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weedmasta wrote:5 Guardians in a 16 man gang...you guys are crap tbh You need to bring a Guardian or ECM ship for every DPS ship the enemy brings, because that is just how you minimize risk!
There's basically nothing that can go wrong in the videos posted. Highsec affords the ability to get perfect intel, so if you don't know (minimum) how many enemy there are and exactly who they are you're very bad at the game. You have more Guardians than you need, so even if 1/2 get jammed you can still get in the dock, and if it is in anyway risky the guardians can just dock/undock and cycle their reps on you before being jammed again.
There's something to be said that this video is the perfect demonstration of how to remove all the risk from your PVP, but if that is meant to be entertaining you're quite mistaken.
You're good at what you do, but what you do is engage in a form of PVP that is * almost* completely risk free and has a very low entry requirement for pilot skills. There's not much refinement or improvement on "sit still, shoot weapons" -- your "ability" to fight outnumbered is simply because a large amount of your numbers are logistics.
Nothing to beat your chest over, really.
Honestly, the only reason an organisation like yours gets kills this way against other PVP groups is because the enemy are either bad at sizing up their chances, or they simply don't know how many non-WT people are going to start repping you. Oh, and random haulers/mission ships undocking from Jita, which is most of your kills. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Shigsy
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
37
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Posted - 2012.07.14 14:20:00 -
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Didn't watch video, but would read thread again.
A+ retardation |
DARKSTAR POWNYOUALL
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
27
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Posted - 2012.07.14 14:27:00 -
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HOW DOES THIS GUY EVEN HAVE A SINGLE LOSSMAIL??? THERES PEOPLE OUT THERE TAKING ON 20 MAN GANGS IN NULL SOLO, KILLING NEARLY EVERYTHING AND MAKING IT OUT ALIVE... IF YOU ARE STILL GENERATING LOSSMAILS WITH 3 PERSONAL REP ALTS IN HIGH SEC, THAT YOU USE EVERY SINGLE FIGHT, THEN YOU TRULY ARE A BAD |
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