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Constable Chang
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Posted - 2012.07.10 13:47:00 -
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I've been wondering how best to make use of the Rattlesnakes 4 missile slots.
Ok, so it gets a missile velocity bonus on torps and cruises, but sentry or heavy drones are easily the biggest part of the dps output.
So, what I've been thinking while running missions is this; I don't want to swap out my sentry drones for lights. When I've got non-scrambling frigates in close I tend to leave them till last. When everything else is dead, I pull the sentries in and put out the lights to kill off the last frigates. At that point I'm not using the cruise missiles at all. I'm starting to wonder if its even worth fitting cruise missiles.
My thought is this; if I fit rapid light missile launchers I can use them to pull aggro and also against frigates, while the drones deal with the larger stuff. I'm just wondering if 4 unbonused rapid light missile launchers are going to be effective against elite frigates in missions? Is this just a dumb idea to start with? What use do other people get out of their 4 missile slots on a Rattlesnake?
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Le'Mon Tichim
Ganked And T Bagged
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Posted - 2012.07.10 13:53:00 -
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Constable Chang wrote:I've been wondering how best to make use of the Rattlesnakes 4 missile slots.
Ok, so it gets a missile velocity bonus on torps and cruises, but sentry or heavy drones are easily the biggest part of the dps output.
So, what I've been thinking while running missions is this; I don't want to swap out my sentry drones for lights. When I've got non-scrambling frigates in close I tend to leave them till last. When everything else is dead, I pull the sentries in and put out the lights to kill off the last frigates. At that point I'm not using the cruise missiles at all. I'm starting to wonder if its even worth fitting cruise missiles.
My thought is this; if I fit rapid light missile launchers I can use them to pull aggro and also against frigates, while the drones deal with the larger stuff. I'm just wondering if 4 unbonused rapid light missile launchers are going to be effective against elite frigates in missions? Is this just a dumb idea to start with? What use do other people get out of their 4 missile slots on a Rattlesnake?
I suppose it could work. It'd be a bit like trying to use four cruises against a battleship, though. You'd do damage, but unbonused so it'd take a bit, especially if they're elite. I'd just keep doing what you're doing, and then drop lights to deal with them at the end. You never forget landing in your first-ábubble.-á |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.10 13:54:00 -
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I'm not sure. The Frigates that web/scramble you are generally classified as "Elite Frigates" which means they have Assault Frigate level of tank. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.07.10 14:10:00 -
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Just fit a smart bomb and when theres nothing left to kill or caps not an issue... BOOM - Nulla Curas |
Whiteknight03
Trilon Industries and Exploration
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Posted - 2012.07.10 16:47:00 -
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Sentrys work fine against frigs burning towards you. The only time you should have to drop light drones is if the enemy frigs spawn in spitting distance of your ship. Otherwise, throw out sentries before the frigs begin to orbit and one volley them. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
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Posted - 2012.07.10 18:28:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:Just fit a smart bomb and when theres nothing left to kill or caps not an issue... BOOM
Yea smart bombs and sentry drones are WIN |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.11 01:31:00 -
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I'm at work so I can't post fittings or exact rig names, but here goes:
Using light missiles is wasting the full DPS potential of a Rattler.
I have two fits: a buffer tank for Ops with a repper/logi, and active shield tanking for solo work.
GANK=TANK : 4X T2 torp launchers, sentries or heavies, dual target painters, dual omni's, rigs to accommodate torp DPS (RoF, range, velocity), and 3X BCU (I have Caldari on one ship and T2 on the others), dual drone link extenders.
With faction specific drones and torps, you will burn down NPC BS's from 5km to 43km. With dual omni's+skillz, the Gardes hit frigates at 11km - if closer than that, you have to switch to lights or actually heavies will take out frigs too. With T2 torps (I think Javelin - the long range ones) you can hit out to 50Km. Somewhere beyond 45km you want to switch to Wardens which will hit well out to 102km (skillz+dual drone link extenders).
This set up works so well that I usually (not always) aggro the entire theater of operations by eliminating all frigates first, then burn down all cruisers next. By then, the BS's are in range of torps, and it's like popping soap bubbles: three volleys of torps and they are usually wrecks. When I have an array of NPCs in near field, I use heavies+torp to take out the BS's frst, then whack anything scramming/jamming while I effortlessly tank the remainder. Worlds is a tougher mission due to severe drone aggro, but is still very doable in your Rattler, like using torps to take the initial sentry guns.
Ligth missile is a misuse of your launcher hard points, IMO.
I'll try to post my exact fitting once I get home tonight. |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.11 03:59:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:Just fit a smart bomb and when theres nothing left to kill or caps not an issue... BOOM Yea smart bombs and sentry drones are WIN
The first person to scan your fit and notice that smartbomb will be up your tail in a cloaky ship just waiting for you to pulse it ...
Can you guess why ? |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.07.11 08:26:00 -
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Cedo Nulli wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:Just fit a smart bomb and when theres nothing left to kill or caps not an issue... BOOM Yea smart bombs and sentry drones are WIN The first person to scan your fit and notice that smartbomb will be up your tail in a cloaky ship just waiting for you to pulse it ... Can you guess why ?
Note how i said when theres nothing else left (ie recall drones, which you have to do to release lights anyway...)
Ugh high sec rubbish! - Nulla Curas |
Snyderm
Breakneck assassins
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Posted - 2012.07.11 20:38:00 -
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I actually use heavy missles. I like the compromise because I can use furies against battleships for >200 dps, or I can switch to precision missles against frigs.
I sometimes hate having cruises on a snake because they do little damage to cruisers, which there are always plenty of.
IMO torps are terrible without rigor rigs, and thus were never a consideration.
I love the snake since the release of the new drone damage mods. I use it more than my tengu. |
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Batelle
French Defence Union
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Posted - 2012.07.12 15:24:00 -
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cruise are a breeze to fit on your snake. The extra dps does help with battleships regardless of your fit. Sometimes I leave them empty if i want to use the highslots for something else. My reaction to the tier system and skill tree overhaul https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=899560#post899560 |
McRoll
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:39:00 -
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You know that even if they are not damage bonused, Torps still add a couple of hundred DPS, right? Do you really want to lose that?
When you warp into the mission, deploy sentries and kill the frigs while they are still away and approaching. After that, use either heavies or sentries or whatever floats your boat for the medium stuff and use torps on battleships. You shouldn't really need smalls if you manage to kill most of the small stuff on approach. Using light missiles on Rattlesnake is like flying lvl 4's with Drakes. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.12 18:28:00 -
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Smartbombs brb |
TotalRapeage
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.13 20:36:00 -
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Cedo Nulli wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:Just fit a smart bomb and when theres nothing left to kill or caps not an issue... BOOM Yea smart bombs and sentry drones are WIN The first person to scan your fit and notice that smartbomb will be up your tail in a cloaky ship just waiting for you to pulse it ... Can you guess why ?
Ya, because we all use rattlers in highsec...... |
Fozzy Dorsai
The Kissaki Syndicate Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2012.07.14 12:01:00 -
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Constable Chang wrote: My thought is this; if I fit rapid light missile launchers I can use them to pull aggro and also against frigates, while the drones deal with the larger stuff. I'm just wondering if 4 unbonused rapid light missile launchers are going to be effective against elite frigates in missions?
Actually I've done exactly that and have been pleased with the results. Yet what the previous posters have been saying is very true. The reason RLMLs work for me is that generally the alt I have my Rattler on is doing missions AFK style while I'm at work or concentrating on this toon. Because of that I'll aggro the room and let my Sentries do the work. Because of laziness/inattentiveness frigs will get inside a shootable distance. So I'll target all the frigs and every so often look up and hit my fire button. But notice that my play styles has taken a 30 minute mission and made it an hour. The RLMLs drop that back down maybe 5 minutes. But if you are actively running a mission, then go with the previous posters and add DPS to your Sentries via Torps or Cruises and then swap to lights. Or just run the whole room using heavies plus your cruise/torps. That way you'll turn your half-hour mission into 25 minutes. |
Songbird
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Posted - 2012.07.14 14:16:00 -
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First of all: about that fit ^^^ PDU in low slots? I'm guessing you mean power diagnostic system? I think it will be best if you use 3 drone damage amplifiers since your main damage comes from drones, and of course 2 ballistic control systems.
With these adjustments I can see 1000 + dps , of course applied dps might be less since torps won't hit full force.
Second: Why not use 6 turrets in a domi, turrets are better than missiles . Less tank but turrets man !!! |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2012.07.14 17:44:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:Just fit a smart bomb and when theres nothing left to kill or caps not an issue... BOOM Yea smart bombs and sentry drones are WIN
True dat. |
GreenSeed
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Posted - 2012.07.14 18:26:00 -
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the rattler is a fat drone boat, please dont try to dps with torps.
if you want to do something silly like "max dps" against lolNPCs then use a NDomi. thats a gunboat with drone support. |
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