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Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.11 04:51:00 -
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from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/07/faction-warfare-resuscitating-amarr.html
It was malaise. I was under the impression that the Amarr were giving up systems (as of yesterday, they had six systems under their control, out of over 65 systems) so that their alts could cash in on the T5 warzone control Minmatar achieved on Sunday.
(tl;dr I propose that Minmatar give up all systems east of Dal, excepting Amamake. Reset faction warfare of our own accord, get back to good fights.)
Not really the case. The Amarr side is simply disinterested, and many are packing up, moving north, where the battle lines are more evenly drawn; where there's something for both sides to fight over.
So, to those crowing that we can do it without Goon help, perhaps we're still lingering under the effects of what they did. If the Amarr are so disinterested that they aren't fighting back, then what sort of victory are we crowing over? Not too mention that the Minmatar have always had a numerical advantage over the Amarr, the Goon exploits only made a crappy situation for the Amarr worse.
(Of course, the Amarr now have Fweddit, an organization that is 600 strong. But then Fweddit aren't really keen on faction warfare mechanics, so they don't bother with things like plexing, offensive or defensive. But then, why would they bother when Amarr are perpetually stuck at T1 warzone control, there's no motivation to do the grindy work. Fweddit won't stick around if the situation continues to deteriorate. Do we want to see them head to the Caldari? Few Minmatar I've talked too aren't happy that Fweddit took up the Amarr cause. They breathed essential life into a battle that had been on the wane.)
The more people the Amarr bleed, the better it is for the Minmatar with respect to LP earned, but CCP isn't going to let that money train last forever, which then damages everybody in faction warfare, because anything CCP changes to rectify the situation isn't only going to affect Minmatar.
Hell, without Amarr, good fights aren't going to happen. And faction warfare is about the good fights at its core. Sitting around, only doing missions for LP, with nobody to fight . . . might as well be highsec carebears.
The way it sits now, the Amarr need systems. They can grab a system here and there, but considering they have so few, it's easy enough for the Minmatar to grab them back, they only have a couple systems to focus on reclaiming.
With the lack in interest developing on the Amarr side, there's no way that the few that are interested in claiming systems, going after warzone control, can make any headway. Eventually, they too will be driven elsewhere.
Take a look at the following faction warfare map, I'm going to use east/west based on how it's drawn:
(image) http://i.imgur.com/Kj57r.png
I propose pulling all Minmatar assets back to Dal. Give the Amarr one (maybe two) weeks to retake all systems east of Dal (except Amamake). There can still be good fights throughout the week, simply no plexing in the systems we're giving up. We don't snark and snipe at them either "Oh, it took us being charitable to get you back on your feet blah blah blah." **** that. This is as much for our good as it is there's. CCP is to blame for the situation we're in, for not resetting faction warfare when they implemented the new system. The Goons are as much to blame for causing much of the Amarrian malaise. We're to blame for rubbing all of this, which was out of Amarr control, in their face for the last couple months. Which all leads to where we are now: a dude wants to do better by himself, get out of the rut he's in, but can't quite get the leg up he needs, not without a little help from friends.
After battle continues, if the Amarr then lose all their systems again, well, tough. But I'm willing to bet with some systems under their belts, the occasional shot at T4 control, that the Amarr side will be revitalized, and southern faction warfare will be as most of us imagined it to be.
All it would take to make this happen would be the cooperation of a few of the larger Minmatar FW alliances: Iron Oxide, Late Night Alliance, Defiant Legacy, and a few others. Get the word out, and get people in line, on pain of getting blowed up real good. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.07.11 04:59:00 -
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inb4 this becomes a thread about Fweddit as the savior for Amarr... Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |
Zarnak Wulf
The Roaches
426
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Posted - 2012.07.11 05:06:00 -
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I don't want your effin charity Poetic. I'm going to kick your ass back to Rens even if I have to do it myself. |
Euasked
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.07.11 05:35:00 -
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Fact is, Minnie militia is loaded full of plexbears from both sides while amarr is full of toons that are there for fights, with both sides having exceptions of course. Additionally, pulling back for a couple weeks wont change the fact that the minmatar LP store simply has better ships in regards to FW as the only superior Amarr ships are in the rarely used battleship class. It feels to me like the most influential powers on both sides of the conflict like it just the way it is, with tier V providing maximum benefit for their plexing alts.
Working as intended? |
Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
968
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Posted - 2012.07.11 05:42:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:I'm going to kick your ass back to Rens even if I have to do it myself. If you're going to kick my ass back to Rens, how would that happen if it was not you who were to do it?
I think I'm already sitting in Rens.
So. You. Win.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.07.11 05:43:00 -
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No one want to kill good minmatar LP farm, every side has farmers in minmatar militia.
Fights are somewhere else. |
Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
968
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Posted - 2012.07.11 05:44:00 -
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Euasked wrote:Fact is, Minnie militia is loaded full of plexbears from both sides. The plexbear problem is solved if Amarr could gain control of half the Minnie/Amarr systems. That would situation both sides in the T2/T3 range, with rare forays into T4. Sort of like what the Caldari/Gallente situation is currently like. If plexbears can't buy regularly at T4/T5, they'll go find something else to do.
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Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
968
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Posted - 2012.07.11 05:44:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:No one want to kill good minmatar LP farm. I do.
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
241
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Posted - 2012.07.11 05:51:00 -
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No thanks, we only need 1 system, and don't even care if that's inside the war zone or not. Rod Back springs to mind. Minnies wanted/want all systems, to win. Take um, no fucks will be given.
Lets see what happens to your pvp when you get what you wanted. Hell look forward to your gate camps on high sec entry points cause thats the only time you see a wt. Guess none of you were around when 98% of Caldari lived in Nourv. Most pvp happened on 1 gate, either against Pirates or the Gals. It was insanely boring.
BTW, even IF you did move out of Kourm, Houla, Lamaa, Auga, Sosala, Raa, Arzad and said, all yours Amarr. I would not take out a single plexing roam. The reason being, your t1 speed frig alts gangs that infest your side would only have new ground in which to farm.
So, no thanks. Take your war zone control and blue balls and go fish. |
Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
968
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Posted - 2012.07.11 06:00:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:No thanks, we only need 1 system, and don't even care if that's inside the war zone or not. Rod Back springs to mind. Minnies wanted/want all systems, to win. Take um, no fucks will be given.
Lets see what happens to your pvp when you get what you wanted. Hell look forward to your gate camps on high sec entry points cause thats the only time you see a wt. Guess none of you were around when 98% of Caldari lived in Nourv. Most pvp happened on 1 gate, either against Pirates or the Gals. It was insanely boring.
BTW, even IF you did move out of Kourm, Houla, Lamaa, Auga, Sosala, Raa, Arzad and said, all yours Amarr. I would not take out a single plexing roam. The reason being, your t1 speed frig alts gangs that infest your side would only have new ground in which to farm.
So, no thanks. Take your war zone control and blue balls and go fish. Fair enough, dude.
How would you fix the situation? Running to Caldari space seems like no fix at all. Just a waiting game until a similar situation happens there. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
290
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Posted - 2012.07.11 06:07:00 -
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If you're not getting the action you want down there, then just move up to Gal/Cal space for a bit. Or try a weekend excursion. Tons of people do this all the time. You fight new enemies and gain a new perspective.
It's too bad CCP won't give you guys more systems to equal what we have up here. The space out here is so big and there are so many enclaves to fight in.
I had considered moving down there but the way the war zone is designed down there makes things too boring. Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |
jasper beamsalot
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.07.11 06:31:00 -
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give up auga? hell noes, would take me a week of frieghter runs to move my assets. But still interesting idea, no hope in hell of it happening in reality thou. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
241
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Posted - 2012.07.11 06:36:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:No thanks, we only need 1 system, and don't even care if that's inside the war zone or not. Rod Back springs to mind. Minnies wanted/want all systems, to win. Take um, no fucks will be given.
Lets see what happens to your pvp when you get what you wanted. Hell look forward to your gate camps on high sec entry points cause thats the only time you see a wt. Guess none of you were around when 98% of Caldari lived in Nourv. Most pvp happened on 1 gate, either against Pirates or the Gals. It was insanely boring.
BTW, even IF you did move out of Kourm, Houla, Lamaa, Auga, Sosala, Raa, Arzad and said, all yours Amarr. I would not take out a single plexing roam. The reason being, your t1 speed frig alts gangs that infest your side would only have new ground in which to farm.
So, no thanks. Take your war zone control and blue balls and go fish. Fair enough, dude. How would you fix the situation? Running to Caldari space seems like no fix at all. Just a waiting game until a similar situation happens there.
Fix? It doesn't need fixing. As Hans likes to say Working as Intended. If you're not getting fights it isn't Us that need to head to Black Rise. We're getting pvp, so no reason for use to do anything. You're the ones that seems to not find someone to shoot.
Like I said, we only need 1 system. For those that make isk solo from FW. A minnie alt has already been made and been running for sometime. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
150
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Posted - 2012.07.11 06:40:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Fweddit won't stick around if the situation continues to deteriorate. Do we want to see them head to the Caldari?
YES! |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.07.11 06:43:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:How would you fix the situation? Running to Caldari space seems like no fix at all. Just a waiting game until a similar situation happens there.
If you imply that you send your farmers over here to take all Caldari systems, yes, that is what we fear and we already see your farming alts (corp description even advertises the fact proudly) spewing "Your mother should die" level of carbage to local when we chase them out. (Internet space pixels is seriouz biznes)
Fortunately there are methods which we will be implementing and it should stop us losing our systems or at least make Caldari farmers even more fabulously rich even if we lose them all.
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.07.11 06:46:00 -
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LOL ... it is really funny ....
before the patch I told Hans and CCP ..... "if any big alliance will enter one side of the FW for Lulz and isk it will completely destabilize the system and flush over the battlefield very fast causing destabilization of other side for months"
So far nothing like that happened on the Cald/Gal front and Caldari are slowly grinding their progress with quite good amount of gf and ganks (no fast shifts - gals sometimes regain, cals regains - decent battlefronts, bloberry as intended). I am just wondering which null sec entity will come and help Gals.
On the other hand - Amarr has to boot corps like WBR who working with galente and just taking space in recruitment ranks.
I believe Amarrs should be able to settle on the edge of FW in lowsec and cause some havoc and plex back some systems. RONIN did the same after patch and we were able to take our foothold. IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.07.11 06:49:00 -
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Confirming W-BR is the devil |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.07.11 06:50:00 -
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Can we please stop pretending the goons thing had any impact on the warzone, its just getting silly now. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.07.11 07:14:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Confirming W-BR is the devil
nah, they are just gallente puppets |
Zarnak Wulf
The Roaches
427
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Posted - 2012.07.11 07:18:00 -
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It wouldn't fix anything. Amarr needs to reinvent itself and it needs new pilots to do that. Retiring to the periphery and getting some breathing room is probably the best thing it can do right now. Wage a guerrilla war.
This isn't the first time one side has dominated in FW. The winning team invariably moves to greener pastures or starts to fracture as boredom sets in. Barring more imaginative game mechanics that is the historical cycle. |
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
219
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Posted - 2012.07.11 07:18:00 -
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And why should Amarr take any system at all when plexing has yet to be fixed, incentives are out of whack (x16 difference, Trololololled by Soundwave) and they need to capture everything way deep into Heimatar+ to get highest tier or even second highest. Someone did the math a while ago: Every system taken equals some absurd number of billions for Shakor as alts farm it back again ..
Also, "lol" at return to 'good fights' .. as long as incentives are as high as they are you'd need some serious mechanics magic to make it more than FarmVilleGäó, Eve Edition. The winter patch may rejuvenate FW if CCP are willing to design it based on more than brainfarts from hung-over Devs/players .. but since it would require almost all of the Inferno changes be axed/heavily modified the chances are slim to none (would be admission of ineptitude).
Tl;dr: FW will remain an Eve version of FarmVilleGäó for the foreseeable future. Enjoy.
PS: Current state of affairs on both fronts was accurately predicted by us in the common sense/logic crowd and since we are not omniscient one can only conclude that it could have been easily avoided had CCP done their homework. PPS: Noticing that a lot/most of the people who said "OMG THIS IS AWESOME!" immediately after the patch have applied to be let back into the "Fix FW Club". Please be patient as we ramp up activity again. |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
19
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Posted - 2012.07.11 07:47:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:This isn't the first time one side has dominated in FW. The winning team invariably moves to greener pastures or starts to fracture as boredom sets in. Barring more imaginative game mechanics that is the historical cycle.
Since when? It's not like many existing people have left FW area despite lopside dominance. What has changed except now they can play the violin while they slowly and tragically drown to an overflowing isk...
Most people leaving FW are entities which come to take a look for a week or two, dont really get integrated into it and move on. Also, apparently XxxPizza fractured to draketrain and Paronit, with Draketrain going for Amarr militia and apparently now leaving it/having already left it.
Nasranite Watch is recruiting of course (already have old Draketrain guys returning) on the levels that I actually had to start reading more corporation management skills because I never expected this many people would want to join
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Sigorn MagnarOfThen
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.11 07:52:00 -
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LOL. If CCP doesn-¦t do anything within the next 6 months it will be probably bankrupt. Did someone count how many additional players are buying plex now instead of paying with real cash? I knew some guys who are happy that they have made 10 plexes (30day Pilot License) in only two weeks. In my alts Corp (I am an alt too) there are almost 30 players farming all the time. Probably there are HUNDREDS of players farming and buying Plex for the next two years. Let us assume there are 500 players (I suppose there are a lot more) farming like hell. Well 500 players each probably 5 plex -> 37500 Euros. In only two weeks! And 5 Pilots licenses is really understated. I know people who made over 20 in 2 weeks. Let this happen half a year and there won-¦t be eve anymore. Especially because there are coming more and more farmers. I personally am tired of farming but if I can make about some hundred euros with it... why not. If CCP doesnt do anything it will loose millions of dollars simply because players do not need to pay for the next some years. Eve-> Free to play. Let me farm two further months and I will have possibly gametime till 2020. THE WHOLE THING IS A MESS! What we need is a HUGE Minmatar ship nerf and a completely FW restart. IMEDIALTELY! |
Lexmana
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
603
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Posted - 2012.07.11 07:59:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:I would not take out a single plexing roam. Of course you wont plex for Amarr. You do it with your Minnie alt. What side did you say you were fighting for?
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Zarnak Wulf
The Roaches
427
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Posted - 2012.07.11 08:11:00 -
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If you have a wallet with several billion isk in it and you can't find the PvP you originally signed up for - you'll go pirate, go null, or possibly even switch sides. Eve101 is keep your troops entertained or at the very least they will stop logging in as often. |
Bengal Bob
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
58
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Posted - 2012.07.11 08:26:00 -
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THis helpful link demonstrates the current situation nicely. Amarr are of course the Romans, whilst the Minmatar are the Gauls.
http://asterixonline.info/comics/mangas/Asterix%20Comics/23%20-%20Obelix%20and%20Co/23-%20Obelix%20and%20Co%2808%29.jpg
Credit to Merely Runaway for finding this |
Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
57
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Posted - 2012.07.11 08:28:00 -
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Sigorn MagnarOfThen wrote:LOL. If CCP doesn-¦t do anything within the next 6 months it will be probably bankrupt. Did someone count how many additional players are buying plex now instead of paying with real cash? I knew some guys who are happy that they have made 10 plexes (30day Pilot License) in only two weeks. In my alts Corp (I am an alt too) there are almost 30 players farming all the time. Probably there are HUNDREDS of players farming and buying Plex for the next two years. Let us assume there are 500 players (I suppose there are a lot more) farming like hell. Well 500 players each probably 5 plex -> 37500 Euros. In only two weeks! And 5 Pilots licenses is really understated. I know people who made over 20 in 2 weeks. Let this happen half a year and there won-¦t be eve anymore. Especially because there are coming more and more farmers. I personally am tired of farming but if I can make about some hundred euros with it... why not. If CCP doesnt do anything it will loose millions of dollars simply because players do not need to pay for the next some years. Eve-> Free to play. Let me farm two further months and I will have possibly gametime till 2020. THE WHOLE THING IS A MESS! What we need is a HUGE Minmatar ship nerf and a completely FW restart. IMEDIALTELY!
Simply wow, you are possibly the stupidest person I've ever come across.
Where exactly do you think those plex are coming from? ... You think CCP seeds them onto the Market. Infact ccp make more money from the buying and selling of plex than they do from subscriptions, since subscriptions are discounted slightly when you subscribe for more than one month at a time.
Protip: think before you write a wall of drivel. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
134
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Posted - 2012.07.11 08:36:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Confirming W-BR is the devil
Actually not ... u just crippling factions u joined ... no biggie ... I am not paying ur subscription and we all have our special traits. IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
19
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Posted - 2012.07.11 08:42:00 -
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Of course in said comic (One of the best Asterix ones out there) the capitalism which is introduced to Gauls as means to sell/purchase useless item eventually crashes Roman economy too. Then again, it might not happen here since stabber fleet issue is ultimately more useful than a big rock that you cannot even use mining lasers to |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
159
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Posted - 2012.07.11 08:53:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:No one want to kill good minmatar LP farm. I do.
If you really want to do that you can join the crusader which is called already. |
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