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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.07.11 23:20:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:Can only hope your corporation leaves and is successful outside of factional warfare. Many have failed and few have survived and almost none bar 1 - 4 corporations have had success. The most successful X-factional warfare corporation is No Mercy. They even had tech moons in the north @ some point and lead a very successful pvp alliance (one of the best ingame @ the time).
The first to go are the pilots who need to be hand held and want things easy and are opposed to difficulty. They often account for 30 - 70% of a corporation. They tend to go back to milltia. Happened to Dark rising within a month of leaving. Also, not suprised to see them back in milltia lol.
If you don't get your corporation use to engaging in piracy and engagements in 0.0.
Not to mention making an income outside of factional warfare sources. Leaving can be a death nail lol. There's alot of fail atempt to learn from so Im sure future atempts will be different.
There's alot of truth in your statements. Though, I would say that the difficulty that arises from corps leaving has more to do with not being able to fly in disciplined fleet comps. Alot of FW is kitchen sink stuff. Leadership of a corp often don't have the vision to understand the challenges that lie ahead of them as they leave FW and try to do more non-FW pvp in low or null. Because of that, their pilots are not fully prepared for the harshness of non FW PVP.
Alot of pvp corps in FW don't always appreciate what they have till they leave.
Though, WBR should be fine since they do fly disciplined fleet comps and this isn't the first time they've left. Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |
Dynast
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
52
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Posted - 2012.07.11 23:41:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:I'm curious to know if WBR came over and joined you guys, would you welcome them with open arms and forgive them for the sake of "winning the war" ? No, because they'd never actually be on our side. Push comes to shove, they'd side with their bropact buttbuddies in SOTF any day of the week, and they're proud of it. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
244
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Posted - 2012.07.12 00:30:00 -
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Dynast wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:I'm curious to know if WBR came over and joined you guys, would you welcome them with open arms and forgive them for the sake of "winning the war" ? No, because they'd never actually be on our side. Push comes to shove, they'd side with their bropact buttbuddies in SOTF any day of the week, and they're proud of it.
Yes, Honouring friends over random people that press a button to join a loose group of pilots which require nothing other then 0 standings with said faction. We are awful awful space pilots.
The corps are friends, let it go. Tis an old story that bores. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
489
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Posted - 2012.07.12 00:35:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Dynast wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:I'm curious to know if WBR came over and joined you guys, would you welcome them with open arms and forgive them for the sake of "winning the war" ? No, because they'd never actually be on our side. Push comes to shove, they'd side with their bropact buttbuddies in SOTF any day of the week, and they're proud of it. Yes, Honouring friends over random people that press a button to join a loose group of pilots which require nothing other then 0 standings with said faction. We are awful awful space pilots.
The corps are friends, let it go. Tis an old story that bores.
I certainly can appreciate and agree with this. But what I don't understand is why you joined warring faction miliitas. Wouldn't joinign forces on one side or the other be better for all of you? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
489
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Posted - 2012.07.12 00:46:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Major Killz wrote:Can only hope your corporation leaves and is successful outside of factional warfare. Many have failed and few have survived and almost none bar 1 - 4 corporations have had success. The most successful X-factional warfare corporation is No Mercy. They even had tech moons in the north @ some point and lead a very successful pvp alliance (one of the best ingame @ the time).
The first to go are the pilots who need to be hand held and want things easy and are opposed to difficulty. They often account for 30 - 70% of a corporation. They tend to go back to milltia. Happened to Dark rising within a month of leaving. Also, not suprised to see them back in milltia lol.
If you don't get your corporation use to engaging in piracy and engagements in 0.0.
Not to mention making an income outside of factional warfare sources. Leaving can be a death nail lol. There's alot of fail atempt to learn from so Im sure future atempts will be different. There's alot of truth in your statements. Though, I would say that the difficulty that arises from corps leaving has more to do with not being able to fly in disciplined fleet comps. Alot of FW is kitchen sink stuff. Having been in the theatre for the past 6 months, I've noticed many corps who can't grow beyond kitchen sinking. Leadership of a corp often don't have the vision to understand the challenges that lie ahead of them as they leave FW and try to do more non-FW pvp in low or null. Because of that, their pilots are not fully prepared for the harshness of non FW PVP. Alot of pvp corps in FW don't always appreciate what they have till they leave. Though, WBR should be fine since they do fly disciplined fleet comps and this isn't the first time they've left.
I think it depends on what you call success. I see going to null sec as a failure because it offers bad gameplay. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
293
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Posted - 2012.07.12 00:50:00 -
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You don't have to live in null. You can reside in lowsec and visit null to get fights. Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
489
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Posted - 2012.07.12 01:13:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:You don't have to live in null. You can reside in lowsec and visit null to get fights. Heck people could do it now within FW instead of whining about lack of WTs in the theatre
I agree that can be fun. My corp did that for a while. But we didn't leave faction war to do it. Why eliminate that free wardec if you are in low sec?
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Dynast
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
52
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Posted - 2012.07.12 04:30:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Yes, Honouring friends over random people that press a button to join a loose group of pilots which require nothing other then 0 standings with said faction. We are awful awful space pilots.
The corps are friends, let it go. Tis an old story that bores.[/i] It's a sad day when people who claim they're friends are afraid to fight each other in a video game. I mean damn, didn't you people ever play sports? Or at least, like, Halo, or Starcraft? It's perfectly normal to compete with friends in video games, I assure you. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
244
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Posted - 2012.07.12 04:55:00 -
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Dynast wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:Yes, Honouring friends over random people that press a button to join a loose group of pilots which require nothing other then 0 standings with said faction. We are awful awful space pilots.
The corps are friends, let it go. Tis an old story that bores.[/i] It's a sad day when people who claim they're friends are afraid to fight each other in a video game. I mean damn, didn't you people ever play sports? Or at least, like, Halo, or Starcraft? It's perfectly normal to compete with friends in video games, I assure you.
We became friends after more then a year off killing each other in EVE. I see no Reason to unblue them for the sake of poor In game RP. |
Dynast
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
52
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Posted - 2012.07.12 05:06:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:We became friends after more then a year off killing each other in EVE. I see no Reason to unblue them for the sake of poor In game RP. A more honest response would be that you're afraid to risk them not being your backers anymore, that you long since failed to make the cut as a nullsec corp and now hang on in faction warfare by dint of cross-militia metagaming and danegeld.
And of course, you still dodge the question of why, if you're so close with SOTF and just can't bear to do the spaceship pewpew thing against them, one of you hasn't switched to the others' side. |
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Major Killz
Chaotic Tranquility
43
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Posted - 2012.07.12 05:07:00 -
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Well I'm glad Amarr are failing. We have many new members joining our corporations because of it.
What I dont understand is this.
I have no idea why these dudes are b!tching about income. Cant any of you mission in high sec? Cant you do exploration or go into wormholes? What the f*ck is the problem? It cant be isk. Sure you wont make as much as Minmatar LP @ system control @ level 4 -5. Meh! But you can still make a sh!t ton in wormholes, exploration sites and in 0.0
I only care about system control for role playing purposes and I'll fight a losing battol for that alone. From what im hearing, most pilots have no reason to fight over factional warfare systems apparently. Isk is not enough of a motivation. I'm also hearing and reading they've (amarr milltia) tried hard and failed. They can't win and its to late.
Oh welll! v0v someone has to win and someone has to lose. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
162
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Posted - 2012.07.12 06:06:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:Well I'm glad Amarr are failing. We have many new members joining our corporations because of it.
What I dont understand is this.
I have no idea why these dudes are b!tching about income. Cant any of you mission in high sec? Cant you do exploration or go into wormholes? What the f*ck is the problem? It cant be isk. Sure you wont make as much as Minmatar LP @ system control @ level 4 -5. Meh! But you can still make a sh!t ton in wormholes, exploration sites and in 0.0
I only care about system control for role playing purposes and I'll fight a losing battol for that alone. From what im hearing, most pilots have no reason to fight over factional warfare systems apparently. Isk is not enough of a motivation. I'm also hearing and reading they've (amarr milltia) tried hard and failed. They can't win and its to late.
Oh welll! v0v someone has to win and someone has to lose.
In minmatar militia you can do several billions isk in a day with low skill alts, quite much isk without effort and risk. |
Markius TheShed
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
85
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Posted - 2012.07.12 07:20:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Markius TheShed wrote:You seem to have changed your mind about war since you said this Poetic Poetic Stanziel wrote: From the Jade conspiracy Blog post...............
Making wars fair is not a design consideration. Why should war be fair? In the history of human existence, when has war been fair? Oh, we have 2 to 1 advantage over you? Oh, you don't have any cavalry? Well, we'll just sit out all our horsemen and half our army, wouldn't be fair otherwise. Sorry about that. Okay, let's start the fighting. EVE is a simulator of human conflict, artificial rules to even playing fields is not EVE, that's some other game, like World of Warcraft, with their battlegrounds and arenas. Go play that if you want a semblance of fairness. And now you want to make FW fair?? Make your mind up will you. I'm not asking CCP to make the war fair ... I'm suggesting we perform a reset of our own accord, for long-term health of FW, especially in the south. Big difference between asking CCP to design fairness, or just doing something ourselves, as players, to keep CCP from butting in with their design changes down the road, if things get too out of whack.
So your saying we should make our cavalry get out of their ships and let the amarr take all the systems upto Dal (not including amamake cuz that's special piwates live there so they need to keep the system!!)
It does'nt matter if its us or ccp doing the resetting it's still making the War fair, So you have changed your mind about war being fair? **Murientor Tribe** Killing Slavers, Ammatar and Nafantar Traitors since YC107 |
Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
969
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Posted - 2012.07.12 07:24:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:In minmatar militia you can do several billions isk in a day with low skill alts, quite much isk without effort and risk. Exactly. Doing 10 FW L4 missions will net you enough LP to earn 1.5+B ISK if the LP is cashed out at T5 warzone control. Ten missions for 1.5B ISK, that's ridiculous.
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Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
969
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Posted - 2012.07.12 07:27:00 -
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Markius TheShed wrote:]It does'nt matter if its us or ccp doing the resetting it's still making the War fair, So you have changed your mind about war being fair? Sure it matters who's doing the resetting. CCP does it, it sets a horrible precedent.
If we were to do it and the Amarr lost all their systems all over again, then f*ck them, they obviously suck.
But I believe the Amarr are more victims of a borked system than anything else, and having started in a ****** position when the borked system was introduced, because of a previous borked system.
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Markius TheShed
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
85
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Posted - 2012.07.12 07:38:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:
But I believe the Amarr are more victims of a borked system than anything else, and having started in a ****** position when the borked system was introduced, because of a previous borked system.
No the Amarr are victim of not being interested in doing plexes, Look at dozens of threads about FW and you will see them stating they don't want to plex.
So why should we reward their idleness. **Murientor Tribe** Killing Slavers, Ammatar and Nafantar Traitors since YC107 |
Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
969
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Posted - 2012.07.12 07:47:00 -
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Markius TheShed wrote:So why should we reward their idleness. If it is, in fact, idleness, then they'll get bootstomped again, and all the smacktalk and propaganda that follows will have serious weight behind it. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
20
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:05:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Yes, Honouring friends over random people that press a button to join a loose group of pilots which require nothing other then 0 standings with said faction. We are awful awful space pilots.[/i]
Because clearly every other corporation & alliance in every militia is group of random and unorganised people, with the Wbr/SOTF being the only exceptions...
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PHPR Freighter
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:45:00 -
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As an Amarrian fighter, I have been in Faction Warfare for the last week. Needless to say, I am having the time of my life. I have had a few near misses, where I died when my opponent was in hull, Ganked off of the station undocks of Fweddit's home station, and gone on roams in which I have died horribly. I am currently down to about 600k, and I am down 2 Destroyers, 7 interceptors and a cruiser.
That aside, I will admit I have debated a few times about going to minmatar and plex for a while. I only have about 47k LP and can't cash out on anything worthwhile other then ammo and boosters. I am actively trying to find 1v1 ships that can take down the vigils the ninja plexers uses, the dramials and the daredevils that everyone uses.
There has been talk about the militia on how to make things somewhat better. Currently, regardless of how many people plex, its a flat .9% increase/decrease and there is a set time for 1 person. If multiple people plex, you get a cut of the LP and the Standing, which makes it only for 1 person to plex at a time. Defensive plexing needs an increase to the % of the system control, to something like 1.5%, where as the offensive plexing needs to be increased slightly to 1%. There needs to be incentives to defensive plexing. Multiple people defensive plexing needs to bring the time down to actually encourage defensive plexing. Max would be 10/15/20 mins for plexes base, and min time would be 7.5/10/15 mins. I am just throwing random numbers out but that is the general gist of it. |
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
30
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Posted - 2012.07.12 10:20:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Can we please stop pretending the goons thing had any impact on the warzone, its just getting silly now.
THIS! When the new FW model rolled IN the dmage had already been done! The difference is that on the last week prior to changes, amarr were packign and removing things from warzone in fear of being lcoked outside stations. At same time minamtar militia were balls in tryign to conquer as much as possible. 5 days after the FW patch and amarr milita was uterly broken because of their lack of unity and cowardice (not form all but from enough) just a few days before the patch. THEIR fault. Minamtar militia WORKED by itself for like 9 in 10 of the systems they own now. Goons intervention was only AFTER minmatar militi had supreme dominance and if it had any effect it was merely secondary and mostly on the morale of an already broken side.
A reset would be as stupid as a CCP intervention on 0.0! Its simply would means that nothing you do in game would be worth at all and the sandbox would be a huge lie.
Simplya LOT of people would disband of FW and the whoel system woudl fail if a reset was made.
When a 0.0 alliance is kicked out and they want to return they must do it by themselves or get friends to help! Nothing else matters ine ve. So amarr, grow some balls, get organized and do the PVP and YES do the plexing. 0.0 warfare also has its AMAZINGLY fun periods where you shoot structures for 2 hours in a row.
Want bennefits? WORK for them, new eden is not a place for beggars! |
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Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
30
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Posted - 2012.07.12 10:24:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Markius TheShed wrote:So why should we reward their idleness. If it is, in fact, idleness, then they'll get bootstomped again, and all the smacktalk and propaganda that follows will have serious weight behind it.
And that would mean that the systems minmatar took with their investment in time and money ( or you didnt knew about the freightters full of ruptures and destroiers that were basically given for free to people run plexes durign the days just before FW changes?) would be just given to lazy that decided to bug out and hide before the patch.
The income from FW is NOT execuse for basically ZERO mobilization! The ammount of isk you need to be active in FW plex running is around 8-10 M isk per week. You can fill that with 1 hour of missions per month in high sec. So STOP MAKING EXCUSES! |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
21
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:21:00 -
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PHPR Freighter wrote:As an Amarrian fighter, I have been in Faction Warfare for the last week. Needless to say, I am having the time of my life. I have had a few near misses, where I died when my opponent was in hull, Ganked off of the station undocks of Fweddit's home station, and gone on roams in which I have died horribly. I am currently down to about 600k, and I am down 2 Destroyers, 7 interceptors and a cruiser.
Should we in Caldari attempt to organise "Amarr Aid" and fill few of our freighter alts with abundance of hookbills, nospreys, caracal navies and of course, thrashers and deliver them to Fweddit to be used in divine cleansing of the slaves from Bleaks/Devoid?
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Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
116
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:56:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:PHPR Freighter wrote:As an Amarrian fighter, I have been in Faction Warfare for the last week. Needless to say, I am having the time of my life. I have had a few near misses, where I died when my opponent was in hull, Ganked off of the station undocks of Fweddit's home station, and gone on roams in which I have died horribly. I am currently down to about 600k, and I am down 2 Destroyers, 7 interceptors and a cruiser. Should we in Caldari attempt to organise "Amarr Aid" and fill few of our freighter alts with abundance of hookbills, nospreys, caracal navies and of course, thrashers and deliver them to Fweddit to be used in divine cleansing of the slaves from Bleaks/Devoid?
This is actually how we're funded with donations from a few very generous people
Of course when/if those stop it's off doing lvl 1 missions and working our way up but we'll have a few more SP by that point so not terrible |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2682
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Posted - 2012.07.12 13:26:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:In minmatar militia you can do several billions isk in a day with low skill alts, quite much isk without effort and risk. Exactly. Doing 10 FW L4 missions will net you enough LP to earn 1.5+B ISK if the LP is cashed out at T5 warzone control. Ten missions for 1.5B ISK, that's ridiculous.
Did you answer my previous question about why Faction Warfare victors being billionaires is more ridiculous than 0.0 moon-mineral cartels making trillionaires? And why the former is somehow "game-breaking" while the latter situation has been allowed to continue for half a decade?
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2682
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Posted - 2012.07.12 13:33:00 -
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PHPR Freighter wrote:As an Amarrian fighter, I have been in Faction Warfare for the last week. Needless to say, I am having the time of my life. I have had a few near misses, where I died when my opponent was in hull, Ganked off of the station undocks of Fweddit's home station, and gone on roams in which I have died horribly. I am currently down to about 600k, and I am down 2 Destroyers, 7 interceptors and a cruiser.
That aside, I will admit I have debated a few times about going to minmatar and plex for a while. I only have about 47k LP and can't cash out on anything worthwhile other then ammo and boosters. I am actively trying to find 1v1 ships that can take down the vigils the ninja plexers uses, the dramials and the daredevils that everyone uses.
There has been talk about the militia on how to make things somewhat better. Currently, regardless of how many people plex, its a flat .9% increase/decrease and there is a set time for 1 person. If multiple people plex, you get a cut of the LP and the Standing, which makes it only for 1 person to plex at a time. Defensive plexing needs an increase to the % of the system control, to something like 1.5%, where as the offensive plexing needs to be increased slightly to 1%. There needs to be incentives to defensive plexing. Multiple people defensive plexing needs to bring the time down to actually encourage defensive plexing. Max would be 10/15/20 mins for plexes base, and min time would be 7.5/10/15 mins. I am just throwing random numbers out but that is the general gist of it.
I'd like to system where a particular class of ship is required to effectively plex certain levels of complex. ie frigates for minors cruisers for mediums battlecruisers for majors.
And plexing with a class below the requirement adds a time modifier ... ie plexing a major with a frigate takes 3x as long as the BC that is optimum for it.
Add in the time reset to neutral when nobody is in range of the button and I think this would help. (as well as making for some better targets in plex warfare)
I don't like your idea of multiple people getting a time bonus because too many game mechanics in eve already favour numbers over all - but I could see a boost for defensive plexing perhaps. How about you get a 1.5x decontest bonus for defensive plexing if there are no enemy pilots in system (representing the fact that its not strategically contested) ?
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PHPR Freighter
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1
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Posted - 2012.07.12 14:08:00 -
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I see where you are coming from with the ship requirements. I think it would be an awesome idea if it is implemented. An extra 5-10 mins for 5-7500 more LP is kind of stupid. There has to be a bit more challange then that and I think the time modifiers based on the plex and the ship you are in would be do able and not a whole lot of people would complain.
Well the whole numbers thing would be extremely small. If you are offensive plexing, it would have to be 1-2 people max, where as defensive plexing it would have a limit of say 3-4.
And that is a better idea then the initial idea. No one in system and you are dplexing, you should get a bigger increase. |
Dirk Smacker
Inglorious-Basterds The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
53
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Posted - 2012.07.12 14:29:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:[quote=PHPR Freighter] Should we in Caldari attempt to organise "Amarr Aid" and fill few of our freighter alts with abundance of hookbills, nospreys, caracal navies and of course, thrashers and deliver them to Fweddit to be used in divine cleansing of the slaves from Bleaks/Devoid?
Yes, contract them to me in OMS.
But the problem isn't Fweddit. It's when Fweddit isn't on. I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
489
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Posted - 2012.07.12 15:37:00 -
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PHPR Freighter wrote: That aside, I will admit I have debated a few times about going to minmatar and plex for a while. I only have about 47k LP and can't cash out on anything worthwhile other then ammo and boosters. I am actively trying to find 1v1 ships that can take down the vigils the ninja plexers uses, the dramials and the daredevils that everyone uses..
I ask that you dont plex for minmatar or gallente. But you can and should have an alt run missions for them. Running missions for tribal liberation force is no different than running missions for boundless creation. It doesn't hurt the amarr militia efforts at all. Actually if you use it to fund your pvp amarr character it helps.
Even having an alt in minmatar militia running plexes against caldari hurts amarr (and obviously caldari).
I realize it is easier for older players to get an alt in a stealth bomber or bs to run missions. (mwd cloak trick to get your bs around low sec) But really in eve you may want a money making alt that can do something like that anyway. But once you have a mission running alt then you will have your main that can go caldari or amarr and you will have an alt that can run missions for minmatar or gallente. You will be able to cash in no matter who is winning.
PHPR Freighter wrote: There has been talk about the militia on how to make things somewhat better. Currently, regardless of how many people plex, its a flat .9% increase/decrease and there is a set time for 1 person. If multiple people plex, you get a cut of the LP and the Standing, which makes it only for 1 person to plex at a time. Defensive plexing needs an increase to the % of the system control, to something like 1.5%, where as the offensive plexing needs to be increased slightly to 1%. There needs to be incentives to defensive plexing. Multiple people defensive plexing needs to bring the time down to actually encourage defensive plexing. Max would be 10/15/20 mins for plexes base, and min time would be 7.5/10/15 mins. I am just throwing random numbers out but that is the general gist of it.
I disagree that there needs to be incentives to defensive plexing. Defensive plexing is horrible and I would rather it be removed all together than have it get rewards.
Don't defensive plex. (if you want to hold one or 2 systems thats fine to keep the minmatar from getting a medal thats fine. But really thats it. Don't defensive plex. It just give minmatar plexers isk.) Let the minmatar keep taking systems while we build the contest level of all the systems they have. Most will eventually get tired of dplexing for no gain. Yes it will take a long time but it will get us to tier 5 if we do it right.
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Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
969
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:36:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Should we in Caldari attempt to organise "Amarr Aid" We need a FW parody song of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EJWEXrykdQ The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Dynast
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
54
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:53:00 -
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Seishi Maru wrote:The income from FW is NOT execuse for basically ZERO mobilization! The ammount of isk you need to be active in FW plex running is around 8-10 M isk per week. You can fill that with 1 hour of missions per month in high sec. So STOP MAKING EXCUSES! Maybe if you're running no-gun speed tank ships. If you're actually fighting regularly, you'll be losing at least a couple frigs and destroyers a week. A well-fit t1 frig such as a Merlin is 10-12 mil a pop, a well fit destroyer is 15-25mil (200mm Thrashers are a good bit cheaper that 150mm Cormorants). If you're like me and looking for the GoodFights(tm) you're looking at a couple losses a night, as the more you roll the dice the more often they come up snake eyes.
8-10M isk per week does not cover it. |
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