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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.05.12 06:03:00 -
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I had to skim read this due to being short of time. Will read again later. For now if anyone wants my collection of Sleeper lore check out http://www.scribd.com/doc/27571605/Sleeper-Eve Please considering helping me fill in the gaps.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.05.26 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 26/05/2010 10:00:56 CCP Dropbear said ôIf you're planning on not being around, as it were, what's your safest, most easily acquired, 100% guaranteed source of electricity?ö It was never given a name but that power source the Yan Jung use. It works none stop without refuelling for 1,000Æs of years perhaps over 14,000 years. Rebuilds its self if blown up or damaged and can power force shields and other high energy equipment for all that time. Or solar power but thatÆs a boring answer. So I am going stick with the sleepers are using the same power source as the Yan Jung :) After all the Yan Jung Power source is way more reliably then solar power.
Then again a more interesting idea over solar power is a mini star contained inside a structure providing massive amounts of power. As itÆs inside a structure very little if any wasted solar energy.
EDIT: My sleeper research is on hold. The corp I am has practically pulled out of wormhole space. Until I find a new home I cannot gather more data or do research :( My search for the Yan Jung in wormhole space has to go on hold.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:00:00 -
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CCP Dropbear could you confirm something for me. I am not asking you to revile how. Just are there more pops we are missing and are there pops that are trigged not by distance but something else?
I have spent months now trying to find any other pops and failed. Also a few times my corp mates reported popups during combat which they shut due to combat. Then afterwards no one could get the pops back suggesting something else other then distance triggers them.
As I have spent months looking and not found any could you confirm is there a trigger other then distance that makes pops appear? Am I missing other pops?
I am not asking you to tell us how to get the other pops. I just don't want to waste hours upon hours searching for something that's either not there or my corps mates are mistaken on.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 07:41:00 -
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Thanks for that info.
I was just going over our old Sleeper screenshot and spotted this one I forget to post months back. It looks pretty important to me http://asbalon.as.funpic.de/Bilder/Eve/New/2010.02.20.15.54.53.jpg taken by Asbalon Jade my wormhole friend.
Right now my research is on a hold as the corp has stopped doing combat raids in Wspace. Unstill I find a new corp home there isn't much I can do. For those that missed it here is my collection of Sleeper lore http://www.scribd.com/doc/27571605/Sleeper-Eve I believe gathering all the Sleeper lore together then reading though it will help us make sense of this. The problem is I cannot do it alone and getting enough help to cover the sites I am missing has not been easy.
Anyone know any real good wormhole corps I could join?
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 14:19:00 -
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Nice view on the Jove, but if I recall correctly they are split into more then three distinct factions. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:52:00 -
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara said "The only one that really needs mentioned is the Society of Conscious Thought." Not sure I agree on that. Some of the other factions seem very distinct.
"Jove Statics The different branches of Jovians that exist are not the result of variations in geographical or climatic differences, but rather that of genetic engineering through the centuries. The Statics are one of the two main branches. Statics are generally introvert and prefer status quo, both socially and biologically. The Statics regard themselves as observers that should interfere as little as possible with the world. They believe that they are as genetically evolved as can be and generally frown upon large-scale genetic engineering programs.
The male part of the Statics is often aloof and condescending. They are the biggest hoarders of knowledge there is, but they enjoy sitting on their knowledge like dragons on gold, reveling in the knowledge of their own importance. Fortunately, they rarely use their power to influence world events.
The female part of the Statics is more open and friendly to outsiders. Though they are driven by curiosity the same as their male counterparts, they don't have the pathological need to sit on it by themselves and are generally quite willing to share in their discoveries. Female Statics pass for what can be termed leaders in the Jovian Empire; other Jovians acknowledge that their stable nature and extensive knowledge makes them best suited for the task.
Jove Modifiers The different branches of Jovians that exist are not the result of variations in geographical or climatic differences, but rather that of genetic engineering through the centuries. The Modifiers are the enthusiasts of the Jovian family. They are curious and constantly willing to try or experience something new and fresh. Modifiers have lower life expectancy that other Jovians and are more susceptible to the dreaded Jovian Disease. It seems that by constantly living on the edge makes them burn out faster. Male Modifiers are constantly in search of something new and different and can never stay in the same place for long. They're fickle and undisciplined compared to other Jovians and are prone to manic-depression. They are also the most reckless, which most often takes them into trouble, but sometimes it results in some spectacular new discovery that would otherwise never have been found.
Female Modifiers are renowned within the Jovian Empire for their constant body enhancing experiments. More than any other group, female Modifiers are taking genetic engineering to the extreme and back. There is little rhyme or reasons in their experiments, as they're most often done on individual level. Although the results are often disastrous many Jovians put more stock in the chaotic gene therapies of the female Modifiers for finding cure to the Jovian Disease than the more respectable formal research teams.
Elders The Elders were one of the first groups to use genetic engineering for a special purpose, namely that of slowing the aging process. Once, the Elders were a prominent political force in the Jovian society, but after they brought about the fall of the first Jovian empire they have become more reclusive. Elders can become many centuries old, it's uncertain exactly how old they can become, but some suggest they can outlive even members of the Amarrian royal families.
Unsullied Genetic engineering has through the centuries transformed Jovian society in every aspect imaginable. Many Jovians believe that enough has been done. The Unsullied is a group of Jovians that have rejected further generic experiments and instead adopt conventional methods to deal with sickness and old age. They are advocates of cyber-implants and want to use machines instead of genes in the search for better life. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.01 16:59:00 -
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Existentialists The Existentialists are the most energetic and vociferous Jovian group. They live for the moment and are always ready to experiment, even with their own bodies. To them, nothing is sacred. The Existentialists tend to have little to do with the other races, as they find them boring and uninspiring.
Puritan Many Jovians dream of returning to their genetic roots, now long since lost during the Shrouded Days. Those that are most active in their search for the 'untainted' Jovian genes are called the Puritans. In the hope of cleansing the nation of the Jovian Disease the Puritans try out ever-more outrageous genetic engineering stunts, often with quite unexpected results. But unlike the Existentialists the genetic engineering of the Puritans has the specific aim to return the human element to the Jovians, instead of being just narcissistic in nature.
Lab Rat All Jovians are artificially conceived. In most cases a family unit is involved, donating genes, taking care of the rearing and so on, but this is not always so. Often, persons are conceived for some altruist reasons, usually research purposes. These Jovians are treated the same as everyone else, but they tend to be a little 'off', due to the clinical way of their conceivement.
Stasis People For many Jovians their race is in the twilight of their greatness. Ever since the fall of the first empire the Jovian society have been in a slow, steady decline. Most blame the Jovian Disease for this and believe that the Jovians can only hope to turn the tide once a cure for the disease has been found. The Stasis People are Jovians that voluntarily go into cryo-stasis for decades or centuries, hoping that when they wake a bright and better world will greet them. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.03 21:48:00 -
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I have a rule where I only read the chronicles at break time at work. What a time to go on holiday :( All this talk is making me want to break my rule. It sounds like this is one the best chronicles in a while.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.04 09:26:00 -
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara said "What can I do, post something on IGS based solely on information gleaned from chronicles that are, apparently, OOC knowledge?" There are ways around that and still staying in character. Just train max military and political connections and the otherconnections skills. That way you can explain how you have access to knowledge about the Broker and other rarely known facts that people in the military or Government would know but the general pod pilots or public wouldn't. It helps if you have very high standings to go with the high connections. I am pretty sure someone with 9 or 10 standings and max connections could gain acess to some of the info.
Aynen said "I don't suppose it's possible that the Empress' terran weapon which she aquired in 'the Empyrian Age' and functioned on isogen-5 could have caused the universe to destabilize, brining about the wormholes, could it?" That's pretty much what happened. From the looks of it there where stash's of isogen-5 around strategic locations both in empire and I am 90% sure stashes of isogen-5 around strategic areas of wormhole space. The isogen-5 was linked together when the Terran weapon exploded causing a chain reaction that caused the wormholes. The stash's where put there via rogue drones. Most likely rogue drones that where changed by Sleeper drones or whoever controls the Sleeper drones. Sleeper drones have been seen in empire trying to build something.
It might be worth re reading the End of the world set of chronicles. Don't forget to read the Sansha bits. "Nor could they know that the ancient race which had placed them there possessed not only a vision beyond the grasp of today's science, but also the technological advancement necessary to realize its potential." is another line I like. Anyone got an overview of the Sasha life events? Unfortunately I missed most of them due to being in wormhole space and by the time I got out the events had stopped.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.04 09:51:00 -
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Possibly going off track here. " The Takmahls were heretics of the worst sort, some call them the predecessors of the Blood Raider cult." If this is true 3 of the old race's have links to isogen 5 and wormholes. Know I just need to find that Yan Jung link. The Yan Jung who had ships way bigger then Dreadnoughts 14,000 ish years ago. If anyone had the ability to build massive colony ships it would be them. Add into Sleeper stasis technology and you have a way to get to wormhole space without wormholes. In theory if the 3 or 4 old race's worked together each using their own technology expertise they could have built a very large colony ship that dwarfs today capital ships. A ship that could make its way back to Earth or other far away place's. I still believe the Yan Jung where trying to get back to the Middle Kingdom, most likely there homeland on earth.
"But it's the size! I mean, with equalizers this big, the engines themselves would have to have been, well, absolutely enormous. I mean, a ship that could house an engine this size must have beenà Well, no modern dreadnought could even compare" in reference to Yan Jung parts.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:34:00 -
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Just to throw a few more ideas out there. In the same way the drone regions where seeded so was wormhole space. The drones in kspace where made to seed gates around the region to aid in colonisation. Sleepers drones could well be the same but on not only a larger scale but more high tech scale and possiblely for another reason other than just colonisation They were seeded throughout wormhole space to build up a network for the beings that are to follow to use at a later date. Not just gates but full scale infrastructure. This network is linked tougher via Talocan Static Gate's and the communication relays.
The Sleeper network was designed over a 1000 years ago and I get the impression it wasn't for colonisation but a wider more scientific research goal.
Possibly the Sleepers created a massive network to recreate another Eve wormhole. But something went wrong and lots of mini wormholes got created instead. Perhaps I am wrong about creating a 2nd Eve wormhole But I believe we are meant to see the Sleeper network as a whole with a clear aim. Not lots of individual systems and buildings. The network is a network as you come across massive information relays that can send an astonishing amount of information.
The biggest problem in figuring everything out is we do not have a central area with all the information. I believe we need all the sleeper lore in one location. All the warp in popup info, all the show info, everything in one location.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.04 10:59:00 -
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Been updating my Sleeper lore document, will upload it later. But came across these which seems interesting.
Ejected Sleeper Databank "Although emergent systems are not fully-fledged Artificial Intelligences, they are often so advanced that they can border on sentience. The means by which they are created is also a common source for claims that they are in fact, full-blown AIs. Emergent system development is said to have been an early focal point in Jovian software design, where they hoped to create an atmosphere in which an advanced system could self-assemble its own consciousness and thus ôemergeö as a sentient being. What became of these projects remains unknown, although the Jovians appear to have abandoned these pursuits many millennia ago in favor of something more tangible and containable.
Designed from the ground up to perform complex, real-time combat calculations such as weapon tracking and heat optimization, this device shows the signatures of an emergent intelligence. Despite this, various hard limitations have been encoded into the device at the most fundamental level, greatly limiting its potential to evolve any further. Even in its current state though, it represents some of the most advanced combat electronics ever built. Although nothing about the software is in itself revolutionary, it is able to tackle highly complex tasks with a frightening level of speed and efficiency."
"Jump Drive Control Nexus Barely salvageable from the wreck of a Sleeper drone, this device could have been something much more impressive when it was fully functional. In its current state it is almost unrecognizable, having been scratched, burned and even chemically melted. It looks like it was housed next to the drone's power core, which would explain the extreme heat damage it suffered when the drone exploded. Stranger yet, it almost seems as if it was lined with some kind of triggered-release corrosive. The self-destruct mechanism û if thatÆs even what it was û only caused so much damage, and the acid didn't burn cleanly through the center of the drive.
Even as a shadow of its former self, it can be combined with other components to form a fully functional warp drive. Being capable of this, even in such a bad state, strongly suggests that the device was capable of other types of more advanced interstellar travel. Why a Sleeper drone was equipped with this level of technology remains a mystery."
"Cartesian Temporal Coordinator At first glance this coordinator appears to be a common enough piece of equipment, albeit an odd one to be found inside a drone. Designed to plot various points in time across a potentially infinite period, these devices are often used for scientific calculations.
For some unknown reason, this particular coordinator is configured to synchronize its processing speed in time with the distance travelled between two points. What purpose this serves remains a mystery, but the objectÆs basic functionality can be reconfigured. With the addition of a few other components, it would allow electronics systems to more easily withstand the interference from subspace distortion."
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.04 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 04/06/2010 11:29:15 http://www.scribd.com/doc/27571605/Sleeper-Eve new version up, all the Sleeper lore I have in one location. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.04 15:30:00 -
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Now I missed most of the Sansha event so I could be mistaken. But I heard they found way to control and open wormholes. Could it be the Sleeper network is a way to open and create wormholes leading to where you want? ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.04 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 04/06/2010 16:43:48 Selar Nox said "Who coined the name 'Sleepers' in New Eden? And why was THIS name chosen? What did this person/organisation know about the Sleepers to give them exactly this name? Why not Aliens? Not Rogue Drones 2.0? Not ....???" I complained about that a lot in the past and believe the way Sleepers was introduced to us was handled badly and was a missed great opportunity to involve the players into the storyline. The few posts I made semi recently about bad Sleeper storyline is not the storyline that we are talking about here, as that is very good. But the bad storyline on how the Sleepers where introduced.
Instead of us automatically knowing all sleepers designations instantly. We should have gone into wormhole space and had unknown target. Or Unknown drone, Unknown drone designations XR and the like. Then had NPC agents in empire that bought sleeper wreckage items. As more and more wreckage was handed in and analysed over time we would be given more info. For example we hand as a whole player base 10,000 sleeper items in and we the NPC scientist draws a connation between the new sleepers and old Sleepers. We hand in 20,000 items and we get one or two Sleeper drone names. Every goal of handing in items give a little more info. From drone stats and the like. For me this would have been a great way to not only invole the players in the storyline but really make it feel like we are exploring. EDIT: Perhaps the old Gallante election system could have been used. That had a system to collect tokens from players and hand them into NPC's with a counter.
If this is too much coding. Then another option would have been to have unknown drone XR. Then over a few weeks or months make an NPC press news about the link between sleepers. Then change the drone names to current Sleeper names.
One of my biggest complaints about Eve, is it has a great storyline but a large amount of the storyline is running alongside the players, not involving the players. It's the little thing like chronicles should make small reference's to players, corps or alliance's every so often (not every chronicle). I understand not having players as the focus in chronicles. But I feel as players we would feel far more like, we are part of the same story if minor player stuff was added to chronicles. Something like someone in the chronicles says we have to make a 3 jump detour due to corp v corp war, or an alliance war. Mention a player corp or alliance. Or We need to buy this quick, I bet (insert player industrial corp ) can get that for us. Even some bad comments like in the chronicle someone could be chatting at a bar and say something like did you hear that last crasy theory from (insert players name from this thread) and they call themselves scientists/researchers, my child is smarter then them.
In short lots of little unimportant reference's so we feel like we are in the same universe.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.05 08:48:00 -
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Gil Danastre said "All WH's are referenced by a locus signature #, maybe we just haven't stumbled across the right one yet? There are ~4000 of them after all. I do think this is the case, going by several lines." I really hope not. If there is a single or just a small number of special wormholes related to the story then chance's are we will never solve this. I find almost all wormhole people are not interested and if they came across the special wormholes most likely wouldn't say anything to those of us interested in the story. The few of us interested in the story are unlikely to stumble across that one wormhole.
Wormholes appear to be split into regions. I found nearly all my wormholes where based in one region group. Not sure how many are in one region but I often stumbled across the same wormholes time and time again not to mention the same people kept stumbling across our home base wormhole system. Due to how wormhole space is setup we was mostly cycling though the same small group of wormholes. Not the whole 4000 set.
If there is a special wormhole you would have to know which kspace region to scan from, to get the highest chance of finding it. It could be something like you have to scan wormholes from the Eve gate or any other number of locations to get a link to that special wormhole if its real.
Saying that it would be cool to stumble across a special wormhole. But it would also be next to impossible to find.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.05 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 05/06/2010 10:30:26 Jack bubu said "i also wonder why noone had brought the Ante chronicle up" I like to pretend it doesn't exist as its makes no sense to me. Its reads to me, lets waste tons of money building tons of ships 99% of which will never even go into wormhole space. The 1% that do go into wormhole space will give us random scanning results perhaps not want scanning we want or give us zero results. A large number will be sitting at a pod pilots POS scanning nothing. Even more will never transmit the data back to us as many of the ships don't leave wormhole space and re-enter k-space for us to get the data.
All in all the same effect could have been achieved not only drastically cheaper but far more effectively by speaking to the wormhole corps more so the research wormhole corps. Many research wormhole corps like mine and others are freely sharing all scanning data. Not only that but they could have request us to scan what they wanted instead of randomly It comes down to they spent a small fortune just to have 1 or 2 Zephyr ships from my corp scan our Pos. or they could have requested for free all the sensor data from all the ships in my corp.
Why covertly do something, that's costly. When you can get it for free and more accurately? It's not like they would even have to tell us what they are looking for. That and the corps that wouldn't give the data for free, I bet would sell it for a small fraction of the price that the Zephyr program cost.
To me the Zephyr was a Deus Ex mechanic that was not needed. It was an extremely inefficient and costly way to do things. I dare so for the price of the Zephyr ship program just to get 1%of the shuttles in wormhole space they could have built a real fleet and scanned the data they wanted. What was it 600,000+ Zephyr shuttles built. Less than 5000 made it into wormhole space, even less made it out of wormhole space to report data back.
For the price of over Zephyr why not build a real fleet with your own pilots. Thinking about it 1% is way, way overestimated. We are talking a fair bit under 1% of Zephyr built made it into wormhole space and back to K space.
EDIT: Another way to put it. The Zephyr program is sort of like hiring 10,000 hackers to steal a police report. Only 10 of the hackers do the job but you pay them all. To make matters worse you could have just requested the police reports for free. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.05 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 05/06/2010 10:43:10 "Consolidate all the data received from the Zephyr program, everything those oblivious capsuleers have given us on wormhole space." Yah we spent tons of money and tricked those capsuleers in giving us info they would have given us for free. What makes them think we are oblivious to the Zephyr program. It's more likely we don't care, as we tend to share that type of info. Pod pilots already have 100% mapped out wormhole space. We have a designation for every known wormhole system, what type of stars and what's in the system, what class the system is, what type of sleepers are found in the system, what effects are in the system. There are massive shared data's base's between pod pilots so when we go into a new wormhole we can intently look up what to expect right down to the makeup and design and defence of each single sleeper site. All this info and more is shared. So what is the point of the Zephyr program? To map out what we have already mapped out?
More to the point how do they know we are oblivious to the Zephyr program. Pod pilots have a habit of tweaking ships right down to rigs that are out of spec. Someone would have found the hidden sensors. But more likly we dont care as we share sensors info anyway.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.05 15:58:00 -
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"Pottsey, you seem to have gathered a lot of information, is there anything you can contribute to this?" Only that wormholes sectors can be grouped into regions. If you are a wormhole that's in say region 1 a lot of new wormholes will also be to other wormholes grouped into region 1. In our class 6 I found most of our exits to K-space where to the same region of K-space and we often bumped into the same small group of wormholes and the same people kept bumping into us finding out system.
If there is a special wormhole and you know what region of wormholes it's in. Then you can in theory increase your chances of finding it. Once you get into a wormhole that's in the same region as the special wormhole. Only jump to new wormholes that are in that same region. In thoery more wormholes then not will be in that region. Sooner or later you will get to the special wormhole without having to cycle though all 2500 odd wormholes. Basically wormholes are not 100% random. There is a pattern. There is a random element to wormholes as well.
See for a map of wormhole space http://ouroborus.org/eve/images/whtcmap.png A map of wormhole space also appeared on the test server for a short amount of time.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.06.07 05:55:00 -
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DmD666 said "Where do we know this from? I've never seen this before." http://www.eveonline.com/races/theodicy/ ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:29:00 -
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Myxx said "I've been trying to get a solid irrefutable connection between the drones and the ancient races for a while now, but nobody seems to ever agree with me that they are infact one in the same." Do you mean the rogue drones? If you do they are not the same. There are some links but rouge drones where built and created in a Gallentean lab when they where messing around with very advance drone AI to build star gates and do other jobs ahead of the Colonization ships for a rapidly-expanding Gallente Federation.
rogue drones date back over 20 years before the first Sleeper drones sightings and wormholes.
"First prototypes were encouraging, but then disaster struck. The drones became unruly, then unmanageable. Some of these were huge - the largest drones ever constructed, these drones were even equipped with warp drives and equipped with the latest advancements in artificial intelligence. These mother drones, as they were called, along with several lesser drones soon managed to spread out, not only within the same system as the research facility that birthed them, but also to other systems. Only later men discovered exactly how - the drones attacked and took over space ships, then used them to jump to other systems, the drones themselves safely hidden within the ship. Needless to say the super-drone research was soon abandoned by the Gallenteans."
"Operation Spectrum Breach was a Federation-funded research project intended to create openings into regions of unexplored space and facilitate the colonization of new worlds for a rapidly-expanding Gallente Federation.
The project was cancelled after the worker drones at the project's main outpost went berserk, killing hundreds."
In reference to the 8 drone regions "New areas of space have been discovered but are under the control of the first self-aware drone, Orphyx, and his Rogue Drone descendants. Will you be one of the brave souls to venture into these untamed systems and help push back the robotic menace?"
http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=30-10-06 you might want to read that. This is Orphyx who escaped from the lab.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Code_Aria_inquiry
There is also a large amount on rouge drones and if I recall correctly Orphyx in EON #002, page 22: Chronicle: Eighth Plague
I have no doubt Sleepers have messed around with some rogue drone hives. But Rogue drones as a whole where created and manufactured by the Gallante empire. At least the first batch where manufactured by the Gallante.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 15:50:00 -
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Katrina Bekers said " Unless I settle a w-space system and start mapping daily the WHs and their destinations. But I don't dwell in w-space. Who does and has any useable data?" I made a map up of sorts. I bookmarked every wormhole and never deleted the wormholes when I lived in wspace. What I fond was I kept running across the same small group of wormholes over and over again instead of cycling though the full range of wormholes each time. But there was no pattern I could spot. We could not predict where a wormhole would open up or what would be no the other side.
Well the one pattern I spotted was wormholes are split into regions and wormholes tend to more often than not link either to other wormholes in the same wormhole region or the same region of k space. One of the wormholes I lived in would more often then not have an exit in the same Amaar region or to the same group of wormholes in wormhole space. But there was no predictable pattern I could spot. Some wormholes systems have static wormholes. Static in that the wormhole will always 100% without fail go to a certain area. For example my C6 home had a static C5 wormhole. Every day without fail there would be one wormhole that lead to a C5 wormhole. There would be a 2nd wormhole that was random ish. When I lived in a C4 it had a static wormhole to a C3. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.21 06:12:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 21/06/2010 06:12:52 Myxx said " that article isnt accurate to how the ingame behaviour and mechanic is. seriously, why do you cite it? its in need of a major explaination, or a retcon." I don't think it needs a explanation or retcon just a date sticking on it. Most of the problems in the science articles can be explained away with being very old and out of date technology. As technology has moved on. Like the clones article saying jump clones are not possible. It's not incorrect for when it was wrote.
Your right in that something needs doing. But I would hate to see major changes or to lose it. Just a minor edit to mention technology has improved since it was wrote.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 09:02:00 -
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Geldar Wroontik said "the same, but from all the lore I've seen of the Jovians they are as close as one can get to a side of good in the universe." There are hints the Jove are very evil at least some groups. The description of the Jove and Minmatar elders are just about the same. It was the elders that destroyed the Concord base and started the great empire war. If they are the same like I believe as the name and description match then the that Jove group is very evil.
But I don't think it's fair to call any race good or Evil. The Jove and other race's are all made up of many groups and factions. Just like you cannot call the human race on earth today Evil or good you cannot really call the Jove either. humans come in a wide variety of groups ranging from evil, good and all the other possibilities.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 08:02:00 -
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Esiel said "IÆm not sure where the phrase ôhuman raceö came from but it has a very different meaning than most uses of the word ôraceö Generally speaking the idea is if you put a bunch of humans on different planets and leave them alone for 1000's or 10,000's of years they will evolve differently and although still be clearly human are all a different race with a different genetic profile and clear different traits. It's like on earth we have the human race. Split into the Caucasoid race, Congoid race, Capoid race, Mongoloid race & Australoid race. The simple answer is on the right you press the race's button and get a list of Eve race's.
Esiel said Disagreeing with that person is only saying your moral compass is different from the other persons, like opinions they are highly subjective and good and evil is only in the eye of the beholder." I disagree at least for Eve as the scale is bigger. I did write a long post but decide to try again with a shorter version. The scale is so big we cannot really say one race is Evil or good. When we you talking about highly different populations on lots of planets made up of trillions of people you cannot or should not lump them all together as good or evil.
Can we call the Minmatar evil for starting a massive war and the first blow being people who had nothing to do with tem being slaves (Concord). But if we call them Evil what about the trillions on planets who know nothing about the actions? Perhaps you can define people like the Amarr as good or evil as although they are massive they all following similar life styles. But the Gallente are far to massive and varied with too many different life styles to be singled out as good or evil. At last in my mind. Take your N@zi example are large group of N@zi were not evil just solders trying to survive.
I do agree that good and evil is highly subjective and good and evil is only in the eye of the beholder. I am just trying to say the scales are a little too big to lump whole race's as good or evil. It's like trying to define the human race. Is the human race good or evil? The scale and amount of different humans is just too big to get a single answer. Now increase the size of the human race on earth x100 fold or more and spread them over planets. Add in more varity's and different types of people. Is the race good or evil, can you really define it as either? ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Posted - 2010.07.04 08:09:00 -
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Esiel said "Um I am afraid I have seen very little that says the Elders are like the Jove. Elders don't have super advanced technology (they have some advanced tech but nothing like the Jove). Elders aren't suffering from a degenerative sickness. Elders are specifically linked to Minmatar while Jove are barely linked to anyone." I am reading between the lines it's not hard fact. Jove elders do not appear to be suffering from a degenerative sickness or its more rare in them. "Elders can become many centuries old, it's uncertain exactly how old they can become, but some suggest they can outlive even members of the Amarrian royal families." suggesting they do not suffer or not suffer as badly as the rest of the Jove.
What little info we have on both match's. They have the same name, both are very reclusive with few people knowing what they look like or meeting one. They both appear to hold advance technology and live to many centuries old. Both where/are a prominent political force. My current theory is when the Jove Elders become very reclusive in Jove space they moved into Minmatar space and set them self's up as the Minmatar Elders for their own reasons. What better way to control a race for your own goals. It wouldn't surprise me either if the reasons the Elders got killed in Theodicy was due to the Enheduanni knowing who they really are. But that is wild guess work.
It's the type of thing the Jove would do and have the technology for. But I have no real evidence for this, just a gut feeling from reading between the lines and matching descriptions.
Have people consider now all Jove suffer from the degenerative sickness. The Jove are split into many groups like the Gallante. Like the Unsullied Jove they reject generic experiments and instead adopt conventional methods to deal with sickness and old age. They are advocates of cyber-implants and want to use machines instead of genes in the search for better life. Would they suffer from the genetic illness? Surly not all Jove groups would have suffered the same genetic problems. There must be some groups that rejected the genetic changes. Like on Earth today the Mormans and other groups wouldn't go along with genetic changes. Surly some Jove groups would be the same. I just find it hard to believe a group as big as the Jove used to be, split into many sub groups would not have some groups who rejected genetic engineering.
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Posted - 2010.07.10 20:18:00 -
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As long as I am thinking of the same thing you mention. The map graphics is a generic graphics that's used throughout Eve for many different things. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Posted - 2010.07.14 06:18:00 -
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Wasn't the Bright Star a bug not a main part of the story. CCP wrote a mini bit of a story to go with the bug. Which was a nice idea but I do not think the star is anything to do with the main storyline. It was just an unexpected bug CCP found and fixed. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Posted - 2010.07.17 07:06:00 -
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Per Bastet said " Heres the Thing, has anyone actually taken apart the sensor suite on the Zephyrs? How do we know that there isn't another suite in the ship thats scanning for stuff we don't know about?" I bet someone would have. Pod pilot are so integrated with ships they can tell which engine is faulty by putting the hand on the hull and feeling the ship vibrations and thats being outside the Pod let along plugged in. Those pod pilots with level 5 rigging skill I bet would spot a hidden scanning array. How do you hide a scanning away from a pod pilot in such a tiny basic ship?
How many wormhole corps wouldn't take a Zephyrs to bits and study it to try and repeat the technology allowing it to not get shot by sleepers? How many of those people wouldn't notice a large amount of data stored, hidden sensors, equipment to broadcast the data and hidden software to send the data.
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Posted - 2010.07.20 20:08:00 -
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As I recall the first rogue drone's are around about 20 years old. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Posted - 2010.07.21 06:50:00 -
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Saul Dhampir daid "Original Terrans v EvE collapse and 1st Dark Ages v Talocan, Yan Jung, 1st Jove Empire" The Yan Jung date back to the Original Terrans before the Dark ages. Well we have Yan Jung items dated to around 15,000 years ago and another item 1000 years younger. This indicates the empire lasted over 1000 years and lived around the years 8000 to 9000.
That means the Yan Jung empire dates right back to when the Eve gate first shut or dates back just before the gate shut then lasted around 1000 years after the gate shut. Right at the time of the 1st Jove empire. The Yan Jung empire vanished some time in the dark ages.
You could argue Yan Jung technology from the year 8000 is around the same tech level as Terrain technology. That means any technology we have now that match's Yan Jung technology and Yan Jung items is the same level as the old Terrains.
Out of interest why don't people look at the Yan Jung and Sleeper modules and blueprints for clues?
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Posted - 2010.07.21 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 21/07/2010 11:30:10 Vadimik said ôWhy, yes we do. Not that I've found any revelations. Have you?ö Found some interesting bits and bobs from the agentÆs themselves but not from the blueprints or items yet.
I have gone through about 80% of the Cosmos stuff and plan to finish the rest over my holidays next week. I just thought perhaps we are focused to much on w-space and missing the clues in empire. For some reason out of all 4 old raceÆs in cosmos the Sleeper cosmos is the least recorded one with the least amount of info about it. I find that odd.
I sometimes wonder how many people are no aware you can get Sleeper & Talocan blueprints and build Sleeper & Talocan items.
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Posted - 2010.07.21 12:19:00 -
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I complained about something similar to that before. Why are all these new rats in space called sleepers? How did we automatically know they were sleepers when wormhole opened up when there is no link between them and empire sleepers? I really hated how we automatically could identify them all. It was a missed opportunity to really add the story into the game.
Vadimik said ôActually, if we ignore the obviously matching names, what are the connections between cosmos Sleeper & Talocan and w-space Sleeper & Talocan?ö At work right now and my notes are at home. Both the empire and Wspace Talocan messed around with impressive gate technology. Both the Sleepers messed around with people in VR and people in hibernation. Then there are links like portals (wormholes?) I do not recall any items that link the two. It was more the descriptions and descriptions of technology used that was similar.
Once I have finished my tour of cosmos I will post all my findings and links between empire and w-space. Unless people want what little I found so far.
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Posted - 2010.07.21 13:06:00 -
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Vadimik said ôAlong these lines of thought w-space sleepers might have more in common with federation than they do with cosmos sleepers.ö I donÆt agree itÆs not along the lines of the Federation might have more in common. I didnÆt explain it very well. I donÆt have my notes or access to the game so cannot go into detail till I get home. ItÆs more than just vague descriptions. If you look at the technology the Talocan specialised in itÆs the same in both empire and W-space. Same for the sleepers the two sleepers seem to share the same specialisations.
There is a pretty strong connection in lots of area like both empire and Wspace sleepers have people in hibernation chambers full with people plugged into VR. I will see if I can post some better examples later.
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Posted - 2010.07.21 13:34:00 -
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Just to throw ideas out their and there is little evidence for this. But what if the Talocan are not a random migrant culture. In that they are not randomly moving about but are trying to migrate back to Earth. What if what we are are seeing are stop of points where Talocan stopped off built stocks up, mined resourceÆs, left broke or ships beyond repair before moving on again. That would explain things like ôIt looks like this ship was gutted, then left to drift.ö
The Sleepers come along much later perhaps 1000Æs of years later. They want to know where they came from and decide to follow the Talocan after studying terran and Talocan tech and history. But instead of doing it as a migrant culture as a slow movement they decided to use habitation and VR systems for the long journey with less stop offÆs. While the Talocan had advance gates Sleepers used portals, spatial holes/wormholes. The Sleepers are on a journey following the Talocan starting from empire and moving outwards.
I believe the Yan Jung and Talocan are looking to get back to earth. But I am not as connived about the Sleepers.
Even if wrong I like posting theoryÆs and ideas. Sometimes wrong theoryÆs lead people to ideas on better to correct theoryÆs.
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Posted - 2010.07.21 13:48:00 -
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Complex name: Integrated Terminus (class 4) might be worth another look at. Perhaps instead of destroying it, has anyone used modules on it? Like code breaker, analyser and trained up Talocan and Sleeper skills? its one of the few sites I have not tested with code breaker & analyser.
ôWith the terminalÆs destruction, knowledge is scattered, data strewn in thousand of directions. There are no answers here; only debris remains. Secrets have been lost to the void, perhaps containing among them some key to salvation from this bleak existence.ö
ThatÆs written to me in a way that suggest destroying it was wrong and lost the info. Has anyone tried interacting with the structure in different ways?
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Posted - 2010.07.23 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 23/07/2010 08:25:23 Terokone said " We're assuming the Sleepers weren't already an upload society by the time The Mirror was built, mostly due to the information within some of these enclaves: quarantine, neurodegenerative, etc." Are we? I thought it was common knowledge the Sleepers have been an upload society long before The Mirror was built. Even right back in the empire sleeper lore which looks to predate the Wspace sleepers by a long time due to technology being much lower, at a wild guess I would say the Sleeper have been an upload society for 1000's of years. We had Sleepers in habitation as an upload society in VR in empire and still moved to wspace and advanced technology by 100's of years.
A big question I have not seen anyone or many ask is. How did the Sleepers and Talocan get to W-space and why did they choose to move to W space. Did they slow boat it as a migrant culture and/or in habitation. Did they use advance star gates, did they open wormholes from empire? Why did they abandon empire space? Well it makes sense why the Talocan left empire but why did the Sleepers? Perhaps we should look at how the Sleepers got to were they are now to understand what they are doing.
I am of the believe that what we have found is just an old abandoned Sleeper home. Just like the Sleepers abandoned Empire space and moved on leaving ruins about. They have abandoned w-space and moved on leaving ruins. We could meet another group of sleepers out there that are more advanced than the current lot. Long before wormhole opened I also said the Yan Jung appeared to have left empire for another kingdom. So could we find them out in deep space?
It would not surprise me if the Sleeper network is like a giant super computer and star gate network designed to move an entire civilisation. Possibly back or closer towards the Milky way. Another possibly is being an upload society they don't care about body much like us pod pilots. They upload them self and travel vast distances to new clone body's. The body's are just a host for the mind. The massive data conducts that seem to send data vast distances are just a way for Sleepers to travel about without ships. The Sleepers are just a step or three beyound pod pilot clone jumping.
Being in VR could have advantages. For example VR could run at a faster pace time wise then real life. 5 minutes in real life might be 5 hours in VR. That way a person in a body fully connected lives at a much faster rate and for effectively much longer. The body would still ages at a normal rate or slower due to being in habitation. Think of all the problems you can solve. You can have 100's if not 1000's of years to solve math problems, come up with solutions.
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Posted - 2010.07.23 10:10:00 -
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Aynen said " For me, it's pretty much clear as daylight that the Terrans where at war with the Sleepers at some point. There's no other reason I can think of why the Sleepers would have no shields. Because of that war, it'd make little sense to me that the Sleepers would travel to the Milky Way, I mean, why travel to the heart of your enemy if you don't need to?" That seems a bit farfetched to me. The sleepers don't have shields due to a war over 15,000 years ago? A war we have zero evidence for? Surly a more likely and simple reason would be the main wormholes sleepers live in have a negative effect on shields and a positive effect on armour. For all we know the Sleepers and other race ships do have shields. Remember its only the drones that have no shields, just like our camera drones. We have not seen Sleeper ships so they could have shields. It's more likely that drones are just armoured drones without space for shield generators. As the drones have remote armour repairing tools to each other it makes more sense to focus on better armour plating then weaker armour and fitting shields. Considering wormhole effects and remote armour repairing it seems logical to me not to waste space and time on shields.
It's looking to me that the Sleepers like everyone else do not know much about the Terrans. The sleepers appear to be studying their past and looking at where they came from hence the interest in Terrans. Multiple-Ancestry Research would not really be something they need if they already know their past and were they came from.
Look at it from this point of view. The Sleepres are in empire space they move to W space then go. Look we had a war 10,000 odd years ago we better build drones without shields? Certainly not impossible but it seems farfetched and unlikely. I really find it hard to believe a race would flee from another race they have not seen in 15,000 years.
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Posted - 2010.07.23 11:04:00 -
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Aynen said " A friend of mine says that evidence that can be found at COSMOS sites concerning the Sleepers points to the possibility that the Sleepers evolved from the Terrans, which would also explain the lack of shields." I have only been though around 80% of Cosmos with the rest over the next few weeks but I have seen zero evidence for that, but it could well be in one of the bits I have yet to do. Could you get more info? If it's true I could like to confirm it.
Saying that technically haven't we all evolved from the Terrans? From what I have seen so far Sleeper tech in empire seems to be far more primitive then what little we know of Terran technology,.
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Posted - 2010.07.23 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 23/07/2010 11:12:50 Not sure if this is a full list. Talocan Technology modules we can build
Cactus Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Blueprint Desert Heat Heat Dissipation Field Blueprint Dyad' Co-Processor I Blueprint Glycerine' Shield Boost Amplifier Blueprint High Noon Heat Dissipation Amplifier Blueprint Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device II Blueprint Large 'Sheriff' Shield Extender Blueprint Medium 'Canyon' Shield Extender Blueprint Medium 'Gattotte' Capacitor Booster Blueprint Micro 'Trapper' Shield Extender Blueprint Nugget Ballistic Deflection Field Blueprint Poacher Photon Scattering Field Blueprint Posse Invulnerability Field Blueprint Prospector Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Blueprint Small 'Wolf' Shield Extender Blueprint Snake Eyes Explosion Dampening Field Blueprint Whiskey Explosion Dampening Amplifier Blueprint
That to me shows the Talocan at least used shields.
Sleeper Technology modules we can build
Digital Booster Rockets Blueprint Synthetic Hull Conversion Overdrive Injector I Blueprint Limited Expanded 'Archiver' Cargo I Blueprint Synthetic Hull Conversion Reinforced Bulkheads I Blueprint Synthetic Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I Blueprint Small 'Integrative' Hull Repair Unit Blueprint Medium 'Integrative' Hull Repair Unit Blueprint Large 'Integrative' Hull Repair Unit Blueprint Process-Interruptive Warp Disruptor Blueprint 'Delineative' Warp Scrambler Blueprint Gravimetric Firewall Blueprint Magnetometric Firewall Blueprint Multi Sensor Firewall Blueprint RADAR Firewall Blueprint Small Degenerative Concussion Bomb I Blueprint Medium Degenerative Concussion Bomb I Blueprint 'Inception' Target Painter I Blueprint
Sleepers do seem to focus more on hulls then shields. Anyone know if I am missing any modules?
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Posted - 2010.07.23 19:06:00 -
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Saul Dhampir said " Continuing this line of thinking, how did the Sleepers get around?" They appear to travel via created wormholes. The sleepers that entered empire space created spatial rifts and used those to travel.
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Posted - 2010.07.24 10:34:00 -
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Auwnie Morohe said "Pottsey maybe you could share a little more on the specifics when you guys got it? Like what Asdalon did and what he had in his cargo. " Not sure I follow, the full instructions are in that post and should be 100% repeatable.
I am still working my way though Cosmos and still have about 30 odd agents to do. So far agents with references to Sleepers
Agent: Akraun Maertigor LVL: II Q: 0 Corporation: Six Kin Development Faction: MINMATAR Division: Administration Agent Location: Metropolis System: Barkrik Bacon: The Hyperbole Nexus
Agent: Abotur Kverkinn LVL: II Q: 0 Corporation: Vherokior Tribe Faction: MINMATAR Division: Intelligence Agent Location: Metropolis System: Hjoramold Bacon: Lord Bastion
Agent: Ekdit Spitek LVL: II Q: 0(No sleeper reference, but a lot of drone stuff) Corporation: Urban Management Faction: MINMATAR Division: Accounting Agent Location: Metropolis System: Hjoramold Bacon: Machine Head
Agent: Sifor Patrenn LVL: III Q: 0 Corporation: The Sanctuary Faction: SOE Division: Administration Agent Location: Metropolis System: Uriok Bacon: Culture Recess
Reference to Talocan
Agent: Taru Kubona LVL: I Q: 0 Corporation: Mercantile Club Faction: CALDARI Division: Intelligence Agent Location: The Forge System: Otitoh Bacon: Devils Dig Site
Agent: Tekirye Awazhen LVL: III Q: 0 (Complex in Airmia. Has reference to ancient weapon but no Talocan) Corporation: Internal Security Faction: CALDARI Division: Security Agent Location: The Forge System: Ishisomo Bacon: NOH Recruitment Center
Agent: Tida Aikato LVL: I Q: 0 Corporation: CBD Corporation Faction: CALDARI Division: Legal Agent Location: The Forge System: Vahunomi Bacon: Cactus Mill Lookout
Agent: Fumiku Viljanen LVL: II Q: 0 Corporation: CBD Corporation Faction: CALDARI Division: Legal Agent Location: The Forge System: Otomaineni Bacon: Foul Creek Ranch
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Posted - 2010.07.25 10:39:00 -
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara said "By the way, does anyone have a good source of info on the "monolith" structures in W-space and elsewhere?" The monolith(s) have been in the game a long time and are just a nod towards Arthur C. Clarke Space Odyssey. They used to be sort of an Easter egg before CCP decided to start using them all over. They are just something to spice things up for sci fri fans.
it's full of stars
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Posted - 2010.07.25 13:26:00 -
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Wyke Mossari said " The pop-ups, automatically included/integrated your companions (Asbalon) name into the dialog ?" Its real and in game well most of it is. http://asbalon.as.funpic.de/Bilder/Eve/New/ are the screenshots from the in game wormhole site. Just about everything else in my post was me and Asbalon role-playing. You can use any ship to get the popup. The only rule is you have to shut one popup before another one will show. Just follow the instructions in the post.
Jowen Datloran said " So the real question is: What were/are the drones doing surveillance on?" Us and Rogue drones in empire.
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Posted - 2010.08.17 15:21:00 -
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I can confirm the same Stonehenge ruins with the strange spinning object is found in at Yan Jung Sites and in wspace. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Posted - 2011.01.15 10:27:00 -
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"In the Empyrean Age novel, the Amarr scientist reports that he's found signatures of a large number of Terran artifacts near the EVE gate that were cloaked by the Jove, that the Jove were deliberately hindering efforts to find them." That never made any logical sense to me. If the Jove don't want us to find them why not just move then to their empire where they would be nice and safe and they could cloak them if needed. Surly that would be far safer then leaving them next to the Eve gate.
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Posted - 2011.01.16 10:30:00 -
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The Sleepers started off in empire space and over time moved further and further away. I see no evidence they have stopped and changed direction back towards us.
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Posted - 2011.01.17 07:31:00 -
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Auwnie Morohe said "The fact that there are archeological Sleeper finds in the Ani constellation in K-space is no evidence for it being their starting point. As a matter of fact I dont think it is. Also I dont see evidence the Sleepers were moving at all." I never said it's the starting point if anything they are like the Yan Jung with the Sleeper starting point being though the other side of the Eve gate and then the settled in Ani constellation but perhaps they settled somewhere else then moved to Ani. But I would be very surprised if they settled anywhere before Ani unless they are a much younger civilisation then the Yan Jung.
But that aside it's clear the Sleepers in Ani pre date the Sleepers in w-space. It seems to me the sleepers moved from Ani and ended up in Wspace. There might or might not be stops in-between Ani and Wspace but the Sleepers did move and at some point abandoned the home system in known K space.I don't see any evidence Sleepers are nomads like the Talocan. If anything it looks like the Sleepers settled in the centre of wspace (Class 6) then spread outwards in all directions in a circle pattern with class 1 being the outer skirts of the massive 2500+ sector empire.
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