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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
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Posted - 2012.07.11 14:47:00 -
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When you put something on the market, have the ability to deny certain entities (people/Corps/alliances) from purchasing your product. Take it a step further and allow variable pricing structure. Allow entities you like or want to help, buy your product at a reduced rate.
Its a very real tool in RL to counter aggressive entities, would be awesome to see how it shapes politics here. This could be very interesting when alliances **** of the wrong carebears with their emergent strategies. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
90
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Posted - 2012.07.11 14:53:00 -
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No. People can just buy with alts anyways. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8512
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Posted - 2012.07.11 14:55:00 -
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It would make the market inefficient, and that would leave Dr. EyjoG sad and unhappy (and without fundingGǪ) GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
144
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Posted - 2012.07.11 14:55:00 -
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my neutral alts laugh at your embargo. |
DonHel
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort Get Off My Lawn
40
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Posted - 2012.07.11 14:57:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:my neutral alts laugh at your embargo.
with all those options, surely there wouldnt be one with no neutrals....
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Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
144
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:00:00 -
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DonHel wrote:Dave stark wrote:my neutral alts laugh at your embargo. with all those options, surely there wouldnt be one with no neutrals....
some where, some one will have an alt who can buy what ever [insert group you're trying to avoid selling to] needs. |
DonHel
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort Get Off My Lawn
40
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:04:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:DonHel wrote:Dave stark wrote:my neutral alts laugh at your embargo. with all those options, surely there wouldnt be one with no neutrals.... some where, some one will have an alt who can buy what ever [insert group you're trying to avoid selling to] needs.
heh.. oh my 1 good infiltrator just killed it all fack, start from scratch again guys |
DonHel
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort Get Off My Lawn
40
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:07:00 -
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There isnt any particular entity I myself would want to use this on, but it does seem like it could be a decent market addition imo |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
287
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:08:00 -
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sounds much cooler than it actually is. neutral alts ftl |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
145
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:08:00 -
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DonHel wrote:Dave stark wrote:DonHel wrote:Dave stark wrote:my neutral alts laugh at your embargo. with all those options, surely there wouldnt be one with no neutrals.... some where, some one will have an alt who can buy what ever [insert group you're trying to avoid selling to] needs. heh.. oh my 1 good infiltrator just killed it all fack, start from scratch again guys
doubt it even takes that, who's going to blacklist an npc corp? that every character is in the day the character is created... |
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
60
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:20:00 -
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In Perpetuum there was an option to sell on the market to corp members. I think EVE could do something like that but instead of just corp/allies, make it standings based. Add a small tax to the transaction to pay off or hire your own clerks, whatever fits story wise, and then those items wouldn't even show on the market for those not in the loop. Or even take it a step further and have a neutral/positive standing price and then a negative standing price. |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
866
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:23:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:When you put something on the market, have the ability to deny certain entities (people/Corps/alliances) from purchasing your product. Take it a step further and allow variable pricing structure. Allow entities you like or want to help, buy your product at a reduced rate.
Its a very real tool in RL to counter aggressive entities, would be awesome to see how it shapes politics here. This could be very interesting when alliances **** of the wrong carebears with their emergent strategies. No. ...but I think this is a really interesting idea. I think it would be pretty sweet to have that as an option. It would give indy corps more political power and would add to the depth of the game. You might suggest thins in F&I discussion.
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Ricter Jakuard
North Point Navy Cannabis Legionis
0
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:27:00 -
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After they implement this why not just ban neutral alts too? Stupid ideas for the win.
Honestly, I'm far too lazy to set up an embargo on that one dude that ganked me while my pants were down. |
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
28
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:29:00 -
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BLASTED ALTS! True this is a workaround. But also true you could just add Neutrals to your embargo list, not that would be great for business. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Ricter Jakuard
North Point Navy Cannabis Legionis
0
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:32:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:BLASTED ALTS! True this is a workaround. But also true you could just add Neutrals to your embargo list, not that would be great for business. The problem with that would be figuring out who the alts of the people you don't like are. Simply no way around it. |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
174
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:46:00 -
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"Hey, Doc, how's that awox operation going? Kill anything expensive?"
"Well, I was going to tackle a freighter, but then I looked at the market and noticed they were selling Guidance Systems at below-cost prices. So I got in contact with the other market traders, and now I'm buying 50 billion isk worth on their behalf, and shipping it out to VFK."
"So you're not going to kill anything?"
"Of course I am! I'm just waiting for my last red frog load to dock up before I kill this obelisk." |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
632
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:57:00 -
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The idea is great but unfortunately the ability to have alts makes the idea as useful as bounty hunting is now. Even if you found out who the neutral alt is it would take all of five minutes for them to make another one to circumvent your embargo. and as stated, blacklisting the npc corps to stop one man would just end up being bad for business. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1900
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Posted - 2012.07.11 16:28:00 -
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I have an alt in a smallish nullsec alliance primarily for the purpose of gaining access to their special pricing on T2 ships. In other words, intracorp markets already exist. These guys work on a just-in-time basis...I order a ship, it's manufactured and delivered within a day, at a significant discount from the market price. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
187
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:05:00 -
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Or have alliance/corp market options. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
535
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:13:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:No. People can just buy with alts anyways.
Not to derail the topic but that monocle on your avatar makes her look like she had to be told a second time by her boyfriend. |
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Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
153
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:17:00 -
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Yes, this is a great idea. We need an option to not sell to certain entities or, to only sell to certain entities. That right there is the answer to all the people saying 'neutral alts'. If you put an order up, you can make it for only corp/alliance mates thus making neut alts useless. Not only would this make high-sec markets more interesting and give the indy guy a way to fight back at their enemies economically by placing embargos, it would really help to make npc-nul more vibrant. Currently it is near impossible to have decent market hubs in NPC-nul. If you look nearly all items for sale in NPC-nul are 20%-50% more than Jita, and it has to be that expensive. If an order is placed at or below Jita, a neut or hostile always buys up the entire stock and relists for twice as much. After this happening 5-6 times I learned my lesson that everything for sale in NPC-nul has to be way overpriced. |
Zapphire
Circle of Jerks
0
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:19:00 -
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There is a post somewhere in Features and Ideas Forum (where stuff like this belongs) about options for standings to have an impact on either discounts or surcharges on market orders.
I suggest you and this thread go there and search it out. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
104
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:22:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:my neutral alts laugh at your embargo. Ah. So it would function much as embargoes do in the real world, then. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
671
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:54:00 -
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Schalac wrote:In Perpetuum there was an option to sell on the market to corp members. I think EVE could do something like that but instead of just corp/allies, make it standings based. Add a small tax to the transaction to pay off or hire your own clerks, whatever fits story wise, and then those items wouldn't even show on the market for those not in the loop. Or even take it a step further and have a neutral/positive standing price and then a negative standing price.
The option is already there, and it's called "contracts". |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
671
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:55:00 -
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Lucy Ferrr wrote:Yes, this is a great idea. We need an option to not sell to certain entities or, to only sell to certain entities. That right there is the answer to all the people saying 'neutral alts'. If you put an order up, you can make it for only corp/alliance mates thus making neut alts useless. Not only would this make high-sec markets more interesting and give the indy guy a way to fight back at their enemies economically by placing embargos, it would really help to make npc-nul more vibrant. Currently it is near impossible to have decent market hubs in NPC-nul. If you look nearly all items for sale in NPC-nul are 20%-50% more than Jita, and it has to be that expensive. If an order is placed at or below Jita, a neut or hostile always buys up the entire stock and relists for twice as much. After this happening 5-6 times I learned my lesson that everything for sale in NPC-nul has to be way overpriced.
How does that make it any different from any other trade hub? What do you think would happen if suddenly someone started selling crap in Rens for 20% below Jita prices? |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1397
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:11:00 -
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So why's this thread not in the F&I discussion? Don't like spaceships sandbox? then this is not the game for you. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader La League des mondes libres
22
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:27:00 -
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good question .... |
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
30
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:36:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:So why's this thread not in the F&I discussion?
I have no Idea, it's been puzzling me. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
131
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:It would make the market inefficient,...
Isn't that rather the point of an embargo?
And the fact that alts could still purchase is no reason not to be able to dictate that your items not be bought by someone else.
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Charles Baker
Federal Mineral Acquisition
35
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:49:00 -
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Orders both buy and sell only available to blues, this has potential. |
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