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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.11 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Zions Child on 11/05/2010 14:59:55 Edited by: Zions Child on 11/05/2010 14:59:35 IMPORTANT NOTE: I was bored on the train and doing this in my head, therefore, my math might be severely off. If you point it out, you get a cookie.
So ships in EVE are crewed, even pod pilot ships, as we're really just sort of an incredibly useful upgrade to ship systems. I don't remember how many people crewed each ship class off the top of my head, but I know that the battleships tended to have thousands (tens of perhaps?) of crew members on them.
If we go with there being 10,000 crew members on each battleship, and not caring at all about smaller ships to make up for the likely error, we find something interesting. The average person can easily rat around 50 battleship rats a day in nullsec if they felt like it, and I'd say there are on average around 10,000 people a day who rat this much in nullsec. This number includes the macros and the people who occasionally pop a rat as they're passing through alike. This number was also pulled fresh from my ass, so it could be completely off.
Your average level 4 mission running monkey can run, if they tried, around 5 missions per day if they put their minds to it, and there are probably a total of around 120,000 crew members that get killed during each mission. I'd say there are what, 30,000 level 4 mission running monkeys per day? Either way, each one kills around 600,000 crew members a day, and each null sec ratter kills around 500,000 people a day.
Multiply their respective numbers and add em together, and you get around 23 billion people a day. Just from ratting. That completely excludes PvP. Now, to really get that number in perspective, not only is it about four times the current population of Earth, but over a year, that amounts to 7.795 trillion people. Trillion. Holy what the **** barbecue pwnage.
Ratting alone, kills around 7.8 trillion people per year. Assuming that the people of New Eden can support a "growth" rate of 2% excluding the capsuleers, that means that the population of New Eden would have to be over 390 TRILLION people. I don't know about you, but that number seems to be ****ing huge. Like more than the population of New Eden could ever be huge. Even if my numbers are double what the actual values are for crew, and even if escape pods save around 50% of the crew, that number it still in the range of 90 trillion, and around 2 trillion people are being killed in a year.
This brings me to my ethical question, posed to you, the capsuleers of New Eden. How does it feel to be a genocidal maniac who demands well over 2 trillion people spring forth from the loins of New Eden per year to support your shipsplosion habit??!?
That is all. Thank you for reading this.
tl;dr: You're a bunch of crazed, genocidal maniacs who kill trillions of people per year, how does it feel?
Edit: Whoops, italicized.
Originally by: CCP Shadow *snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2010.05.11 15:00:00 -
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2010.05.11 15:11:00 -
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this is why the amarrians bred the minmattar slaves to get blown up for them.
also why its impossible to get a council house before you die in Rens solar system, the waiting list is mahooosive
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.05.11 15:14:00 -
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This has been addressed before, and I have two words for you:
ESCAPE
PODS.
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.11 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Boltorano This has been addressed before, and I have two words for you:
ESCAPE
PODS.
And it was addressed in my wall of text you did not read.
Escape pods are only as effective as people are able to get onto them. Assume a 50% failure rate, either from debris and radiation from the shipsplosion, and the fact that crew members are dying long before they get onto the escape pods. Ever see Star Trek? They're like redshirts, only even more nameless.
Originally by: CCP Shadow *snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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sasuk
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.05.11 15:34:00 -
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is that a real word shipsplosion ????
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Presbyter
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Posted - 2010.05.11 15:36:00 -
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Evemon says my Megathron has a grew of 1000 - just like every other battleship (a couple had 999).
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.05.11 15:37:00 -
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There's got to be some chlorine in the gene pool, the pool being the entire galaxy and I am the chemist. If you are a foolish enough npc to appear in my missions then so be it.
This reminds me of the Total War campaigns upon capturing a city, you're presented with "Occupy, Loot/Enslave or exterminate. I always opt for the last due to the death and destruction and ultimately more gold (isk). I never really saw a point of the first 2.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.11 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zions Child How does it feel to be a genocidal maniac who demands well over 2 trillion people spring forth from the loins of New Eden per year to support your shipsplosion habit??!?
feels good man -
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.05.11 15:43:00 -
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sort of like when i sneeze and throw the tissue away i am dooming lots of bacterias lol
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.05.11 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zions Child How does it feel to be a genocidal maniac who demands well over 2 trillion people spring forth from the loins of New Eden per year to support your shipsplosion habit??!?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.11 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails ... sneeze ... bacterias ...
Riiiiiight. Sneezes and bacterias. ;D -
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Euyis
Gallente Memowind Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.11 15:52:00 -
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Well... If you feel bad being a crazy killer, go blow up rogue drones or sleepers instead.
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Void Kraken
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Posted - 2010.05.11 16:03:00 -
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*Someone* has to commit this genocide and if it's someone else, I'm not getting paid. It's just people.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.05.11 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Originally by: Zions Child How does it feel to be a genocidal maniac who demands well over 2 trillion people spring forth from the loins of New Eden per year to support your shipsplosion habit??!?
Damn, it feels good to be a gangster.
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Jerid Verges
Gallente The Society of Innovation The Last Stand
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Posted - 2010.05.11 16:20:00 -
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Nice copypasta. Confirming that I have posted in a thread with the same OP before.
Also, the universe has Quadrillions of inhabitants I bet. People die. Oh well.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.11 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zions Child How does it feel to be a genocidal maniac who demands well over 2 trillion people spring forth from the loins of New Eden per year to support your shipsplosion habit??!?
Look at it this way : their families were probably well recompensed, and we just created new jobs for the next generation ! They were going to die anyway (not like us, capsuleers, since we're practically immortal) so who gives a damn. I don't care how many trillion ants we kill, build that damn skysc****r already
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.05.11 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Zions Child How does it feel to be a genocidal maniac who demands well over 2 trillion people spring forth from the loins of New Eden per year to support your shipsplosion habit??!?
Look at it this way : their families were probably well recompensed, and we just created new jobs for the next generation ! They were going to die anyway (not like us, capsuleers, since we're practically immortal) so who gives a damn. I don't care how many trillion ants we kill, build that damn skysc****r already
Or maybe...
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Kzintee
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.11 16:27:00 -
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A better question considering the world of Eve we live in... what are these "ethics" you speak of?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.11 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dan O'Connor Or maybe... they all have clones like we do
Nope. They're too dirt-poor (compared to us) for that. Those that go to work on ships couldn't possibly afford a clone. Besides, it's not like the necessary neural scanners are in place outside a pod to allow them to do what we capsuleers do. Wasn't there a story about a bartender that retired (he bought an island) from the ISK TIP he received while serving a drink to a capsuleer that wasn't aware how much local currency was worth ?
P.S. HOWEVER, considering how inexperienced/uncomplicated "regular people" would be compared to a capsuleer's skill-packed mind, one could argue that the cheapest, most generic clones will do just fine (or rather, would be adequate enough), and that the "escape pods" are actually emergency suicide-by-brainscan helmets that instantly "move" the "victim" to the nearest crew cloning station. This basic clone contract could as well be a part of the payment.
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.11 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kzintee A better question considering the world of Eve we live in... what are these "ethics" you speak of?
This is probably the best answer tbh. Also, I don't really care about commiting mass genocide, and no, there aren't quadrillions of people in the EVE galaxy, because there are only what, 8000 systems? And 60k planets? And not all of them are inhabited.... So strongly doubt the whole quadrillions of people thing...
And to the guy who apparently brought this up before, and believes he is now important or smart for pointing out he brought it up before, who the **** cares?
Originally by: CCP Shadow *snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.05.11 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Mendolus on 11/05/2010 17:24:12 Your math and basic premises are all loose assumptions about a facsimile, and not very historically relevant.
To begin with, rats at belts are not logically relevant, as they have no real purpose other than being meat for farming. Rats in missions, sure... but in the context of fighting pirate ships, it is highly unlikely that a pirate ship would contain a full complement of crew including civilians for this or that necessity in a civilized society, cooks, teachers, scientists, administrators, diplomats, etc. You're likely to be more reasonably accurate in assuming that any pirate boats found in a mission pocket are comprised of a skeleton crew, that is just enough to keep out in space on long rounds, and not so much that booty is split between an absurd amount of people.
In the end, however, we're all just arguing out our a**es because EVE literature and lore, while rich and diverse, is not intimately parallel in every way with what we find in the game environment itself, as this is after all a game.
Every time you do a Pirate Invasion - Guristas killing the same exact rats as a thousand other people have in the past day, or the day before that, or the day after, or warp to a belt half an hour after killing its last inhabitants only to find more have magically appeared, you break with lore.
So ethical, unethical, in between? Hardly, we're talking about a form of interactive entertainment compared to a literary piece. Neither bear on any ethics or lack thereof, as they're both fictional. Any unethical quandaries you squeeze from them are just that, fiction. You would do well to talk about the literature itself rather than the game in my opinion.
You would be reasonable in assuming that each instance of a mission, or presence of rats in the game, represents a single event in the game's literature, and the only reason these events are repeatable within the game, is so we can all continue to enjoy them over and over again, and of course, generate revenue, until CCP releases new content that alters the continuity of the storyline.
So, calculate all the losses from every mission in the game, every PLEX, every unique anomaly, etc. and the losses from literary elements in the present expansion that have been introduced and their general timeline, and exclude belt rats because they are artificial elements for ISK generation, then you have a true representation of what actual death and destruction has transpired in the game in its current expansion. Nothing more nothing less. Capice?
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Sir Rush
Caldari Sirrush Holdings And Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.11 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Zions Child How does it feel to be a genocidal maniac who demands well over 2 trillion people spring forth from the loins of New Eden per year to support your shipsplosion habit??!?
feels good man
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.11 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mendolus Edited by: Mendolus on 11/05/2010 17:24:12 Your math and basic premises are all loose assumptions about a facsimile, and not very historically relevant.
To begin with, rats at belts are not logically relevant, as they have no real purpose other than being meat for farming. Rats in missions, sure... but in the context of fighting pirate ships, it is highly unlikely that a pirate ship would contain a full complement of crew including civilians for this or that necessity in a civilized society, cooks, teachers, scientists, administrators, diplomats, etc. You're likely to be more reasonably accurate in assuming that any pirate boats found in a mission pocket are comprised of a skeleton crew, that is just enough to keep out in space on long rounds, and not so much that booty is split between an absurd amount of people.
In the end, however, we're all just arguing out our a**es because EVE literature and lore, while rich and diverse, is not intimately parallel in every way with what we find in the game environment itself, as this is after all a game.
Every time you do a Pirate Invasion - Guristas killing the same exact rats as a thousand other people have in the past day, or the day before that, or the day after, or warp to a belt half an hour after killing its last inhabitants only to find more have magically appeared, you break with lore.
So ethical, unethical, in between? Hardly, we're talking about a form of interactive entertainment compared to a literary piece. Neither bear on any ethics or lack thereof, as they're both fictional. Any unethical quandaries you squeeze from them are just that, fiction. You would do well to talk about the literature itself rather than the game in my opinion.
You would be reasonable in assuming that each instance of a mission, or presence of rats in the game, represents a single event in the game's literature, and the only reason these events are repeatable within the game, is so we can all continue to enjoy them over and over again, and of course, generate revenue, until CCP releases new content that alters the continuity of the storyline.
So, calculate all the losses from every mission in the game, every PLEX, every unique anomaly, etc. and the losses from literary elements in the present expansion that have been introduced and their general timeline, and exclude belt rats because they are artificial elements for ISK generation, then you have a true representation of what actual death and destruction has transpired in the game in its current expansion. Nothing more nothing less. Capice?
I never expected someone to fall so hard for my trolling
Either way, there are quite a few missions,complexes,anomalies, etc. Lots and lots of murderous genocide
Originally by: CCP Shadow *snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.05.11 17:32:00 -
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2 words: Crew clones.
All the back story and chronicles you see? Flavour text ie fake memories put into said clones to make them feel better about themselves.
Somewhere in each faction's space a lab churns out hundreds of thousands of people every hour? day? Who knows.
Besides, don't feel bad cos everyone knows clones, like gingers, don't have souls.
(Only plausible explanation I think think of, originated from that Hyperion/Endymion series of books)
Originally by: salva dore Cloak should not be AFK solution. What do you think?
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.11 17:34:00 -
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Putting myself in my character's shoes for a minute:
Frankly, I have a hard time getting worked up over the deaths of some dirt bound ship's crew that chose the wrong side in what is, decidedly, a one sided conflict to begin with. In all honesty, they were in my way, so I really feel no guilt whatsoever about destroying their ships in order to achieve my own goals. If they're lucky enough to survive, perhaps they will learn a valuable lesson - space is a hard and uncaring place roamed by demigods who have no remorse and no pity. If they choose to stay at home next time, then good for them. If not - may god have mercy on their souls, for I shall have none. --Vel
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.05.11 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Zions Child
I never expected someone to fall so hard for my trolling
Either way, there are quite a few missions,complexes,anomalies, etc. Lots and lots of murderous genocide
You seem to be under the impression that I cared whether you were trolling or not, as opposed to simply wanting something interesting to talk about, and finding it.
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Posted - 2010.05.11 18:01:00 -
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The real monsters are those people who buy hundreds of battleships and cash in on insurance.
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Zarro Starkiler
Caldari Infernus Hypertech
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Posted - 2010.05.11 18:16:00 -
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I was having a similar conversation with a corpmate yesterday.
When we rat. We are killing pirates and terrorists. These people likely eat babies for lunch. By ridding the universe of them we make it safer. Ratting is not murder, it is public service.
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.05.11 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: lollerwaffle <snip> Besides, don't feel bad cos everyone knows clones, like gingers, don't have souls.
(Emphasis mine)
I find this line of reasoning most disturbing. My measured and pithy response, "No, U!". What you want is irrelevant. What you've chosen is at hand. |
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