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Imiarr Timshae
Caldari Funny Men In Funny Hats
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Posted - 2010.05.12 18:34:00 -
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The assault that took place over Niarja VII saw the abduction of fifty thousand Amarr citizens despite concentrated capsuleer defence.
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Niarja VII - Capsuleer Fleet Niarja VII - Wormhole Niarja VII - Sansha Commander Rallence Ameteves Under Fire Niarja VII - Rallence Ameteves in the midst of combat, and myself Niarja VII - Rallence Ameteves' Pod Destruction (White Ball of Light) -----
Originally by: GM Horse
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile
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Posted - 2010.05.12 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 12/05/2010 18:42:07
Originally by: Heartstone You are not wrong there but they are attacking Capusleers in a way that would bring down a whole mob of CONCORD ships if it were a Capsuleer doing it which in some cases it is.
There's been speculation that CONCORD is so effective against capsuleers because we have some sort of disabling device built right into our equipment, likely the very interface implants in our skulls. CONCORD, after all, has jurisdiction over us; they need some method of keeping us unruly creatures under control (and, interestingly, they're not nearly as dangerous when ecountered in nullsec). It seems likely that our pods interface to some degree with CONCORD facilities in hisec; this is how they find lawbreakers so quickly, and how they detect illegal combat in the depths of low-security space.
It's most likely our own pods or implants tattling on us, then rendering us helpless against CONCORD retaliation.
Naturally, then, they would have no control over pod interfaces that did not originate in any part of the system they oversee.
Probably, pitted against an uncontrolled capsuleer force, their forces would be reduced to mere conventional ships-- tougher than most, perhaps, but still chaff before a capsuleer armada.
We are likely the best weapon CONCORD has to fight off this menace, and they are therefore using us.
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Sinjin Mokk
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2010.05.12 18:49:00 -
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I would be remiss if I did not take the time to thank the assistance of pilots of all races in their brave attempts to stem the tide of pirate and terrorist aggression in Niarja.
We have lost much this day, but we could have lost much more.
While the Empire has suffered a loss, I am of the opinion that Law has scored a victory.
I should also make a personal note to Concord to remind them that my King is far less patient than my Empress.
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Silver Night
Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.05.12 18:54:00 -
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Well, their purpose seems a bit more clear, and I concede that the locations of the wormholes are quite likely no accident. I still wonder at the vast numbers of ships this group has sacrificed for so small a prize (in relative terms), and the low rate of success so far.
Of course, my thoughts and prayers are with those taken and their families during this difficult time. It is my hope that this marauding group from the Nation is stopped as soon as possible. --------------
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Sinti Vailatti
Epitoth Fleet Yards Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.12 19:05:00 -
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If they have the ability to produce zombified capsuleers, then they can throw a lot of resources for small gain because on a long enough timeline they'll come out ahead.
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Silver Night
Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.05.12 19:07:00 -
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Depends on how many of those they capture are viable as capsuleers via whatever their methods are. If it was as easy as some would have it, we would already be inundated with Nation capsuleers, I would think. --------------
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Kor Shivat
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.05.12 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Night Well, their purpose seems a bit more clear, and I concede that the locations of the wormholes are quite likely no accident. I still wonder at the vast numbers of ships this group has sacrificed for so small a prize (in relative terms), and the low rate of success so far.
Are the recovered logs described in this posting:
Recovered Logs
...considered forgeries? Obviously, we have been sent mere "children" while the True Plague occupies itself with Jovian space (where it appears to have been quite successful). The threat is not whatever we might presently imagine the capabilities of the Nation to be, but is instead a combination of that Nation with horrors that have evolved for millennia in the remote darkness.
God's finger hovers near the reset button.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.05.12 19:35:00 -
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What proof do we have that the 50k+ people in the Empire where actually taken? Is this based on Sansha word alone? 30 minutes to land in a gravity well, grab 50 thousand people, shuttle back up... does not really sound believable to me. Or they have some quite interesting technology.
Other than that, Sansha and slaveraids? What else is new? More than what's been taken change hands in known space daily. And die in a single small fleet battle.
I would suggest the question: "Who benefits from the panic stirred by these events?" for consideration.
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Anthrax05
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Posted - 2010.05.12 19:38:00 -
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Nation Attack on Tama V, Carrier for the Nation confirmed on the field. Forces responding to this attack however suffer heavy losses from Local Pirates.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile
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Posted - 2010.05.12 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kor Shivat Are the recovered logs described in this posting:
Recovered Logs
...considered forgeries? Obviously, we have been sent mere "children" while the True Plague occupies itself with Jovian space (where it appears to have been quite successful).
I would be very slow to take those writings at face value, pilot. If you believe everything you read, the universe would seem to be packed to bursting with characters straight from a holovid. Many's the capsuleer who develops profound delusions under pressure, and True Plague there, while clearly a decent writer, is probably one of the more extreme examples.
It might be for real, unlikely as that seems. But if it is what it claims to be, it's notably sloppy with its information control.
Still, I agree that the Nation either has not yet used its forces seriously or else is still probing and testing-- learning both our capabilities and its own.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile
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Posted - 2010.05.12 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Other than that, Sansha and slaveraids? What else is new?
Ms. Rhiannon, with respect, what is new is who is carrying out the raids. They are Sansha's Nation capsuleers. Not conventional Sansha ships. Not capsuleers loyal to Sansha's Nation but still under CONCORD control. These appear to be Sansha personnel, immune to standard CONCORD lockdown, with capsule technology. Sansha's Nation capsuleers.
If they can produce such minions in numbers, this is a nightmare (no pun intended) in the making.
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Vincent Death
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.05.12 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Anthrax05 Nation Attack on Tama V, Carrier for the Nation confirmed on the field. Forces responding to this attack however suffer heavy losses from Local Pirates.
Federal Defense Union pilots opened fire upon State Protectorate pilots who were attempting to save Caldari citizens from the Sansha raiders.
This is inexcusable Gallente.
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Yoshitaka Moromuo
Prophet Industries Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2010.05.12 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Death
Originally by: Anthrax05 Nation Attack on Tama V, Carrier for the Nation confirmed on the field. Forces responding to this attack however suffer heavy losses from Local Pirates.
Federal Defense Union pilots opened fire upon State Protectorate pilots who were attempting to save Caldari citizens from the Sansha raiders.
This is inexcusable Gallente.
What is inexcusable is that they were firing upon pilots not affiliated with the Protectorate, and destroying their ships, while the pilots were occupied in dealing with the more pressing matter of that Sansha Archon.
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Vincent Death
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.05.12 19:59:00 -
[104]
Whoever they fired upon, it was an atrocious act. I'm hearing reports that over 100,000 civilians were taken from Tama V and entire settlements destroyed.
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Aynen
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:01:00 -
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Gallente - Caldari hatred runs deep, which is understandable for both parties. Perhaps it's better than an independent party deals with Sansha in politically charged areas?
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:02:00 -
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Ms Jenneth, with all due respect, I do understand there is new kind of technology involved. That said, I do also find the current buzz about this premature, alarmist, and based on very hazy sort of intel, and I cannot help wondering who benefits of that.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira. Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:07:00 -
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Tama V: Scene of battle and True Power Archon Tama V: Battlefield
Over a hundred thousand people were abducted in the Sansha attack on Tama. Capsuleer infighting no doubt led to the failure of the defensive effort.
Additionally, Caldari Navy forces attempted to hack Sansha battleship squadrons to assist in the defense of the system. This was only parially successful. The Archon however, was destroyed.
Archon destroyed
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:15:00 -
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Now is not the time for recrimination! Mixed Metaphor tactical assets on the field supported a ceasefire and even given the opportunity and motive to open fire on Caldari ships chose not to do so, and several other corporations did the same. The militia is not a homogenous entity and it is not possible for us to police every single individual. Warnings were given by several pilots that we could not guarantee the actions of every one of our allies on the field, and the Caldari bravely came anyway to dispose of a mutual threat. Mixed Metaphor, in recognition of this, quit the field after the destruction of the Sansha Archon "Nation" without hostility, and several advisories were given by EL-G pilots that the safety of non-Federal assets could not be assured.
The simple fact remains that dozens of FDU pilots turned up to make a valiant attempt to defend the lives of citizens of a nation with which we are at war. I cannot offer an apology on behalf of those who broke cease-fire but I will offer an assurance that MXD pilots will, in future situations in which Gallente and Caldari militias hold a mutual interest, respect a cease-fire as long as our usual adverseries do the same. We must not be drawn apart by pointless bickering at a time when all empires are at risk. -----
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Koja Tsutariba
Caldari Caldari Navy
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:25:00 -
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Pilots of the Protectorate, I salute your efforts today, despite our losses.
I am personally grateful to those Gallente who put aside their differences and rose together with us to meet this threat.
To the rest of you who saw only further opportunities for piracy and mayhem: You are nothing. You are less than nothing. The blood of a hundred thousand souls is on your hands.
Koja Tsutariba, CNS Sparrow. Out.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus LeHane on 12/05/2010 20:29:21 Ms. Tsutariba, if there is anything the corporation can do for you, or the families of those brave crewmen who were senselessly slaughtered by my so-called compatriots, please contact the corporation's CEO or our public channel, MXD Public immediately. -----
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Kor Shivat
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 12/05/2010 19:48:29
Originally by: Kor Shivat Are the recovered logs described in this posting:
Recovered Logs
...considered forgeries? Obviously, we have been sent mere "children" while the True Plague occupies itself with Jovian space (where it appears to have been quite successful).
I would be very slow to take those writings at face value, pilot. If you believe everything you read, the universe would seem to be packed to bursting with characters straight from a holovid.
Yes, yes of course. And it would be foolish to dismiss something of significance out of hand were it actually valid intelligence. Indeed, "military intelligence," fun as it is to mock, is not about processing incontrovertible facts. It is about preparing for scenarios which might materialize based on an assemblage of imperfect knowledge.
As it appears to be true that Jovian space was attacked successfully, while empire space has only faced minor threats, the presence of a more substantial enemy than what we know as the Nation gains credibility. Yes, we can attribute the different outcome in Jovian space to the pretense of our "capsuleer" expertise, but that pretense itself is nothing more than a Jovian hand-me-down.
It is possible the Jove lost all mastery of their own technology between their crushing defeat of the Amarr and today. It is also possible they have been confronted by a significantly more dangerous enemy. Which possibility seems more founded in reality, and which seems more like the fantasy of a holovid addict?
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Ghost Hunter
Kinetic Vector
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Posted - 2010.05.12 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Koja Tsutariba Pilots of the Protectorate, I salute your efforts today, despite our losses.
I am personally grateful to those Gallente who put aside their differences and rose together with us to meet this threat.
To the rest of you who saw only further opportunities for piracy and mayhem: You are nothing. You are less than nothing. The blood of a hundred thousand souls is on your hands.
Koja Tsutariba, CNS Sparrow. Out.
You say that as if it is a lot. ______
True Slave Foundations Overseer
The Seven Events of the Apocalypse The fourth event is described by Macaper as ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö; |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2010.05.12 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Roseburn - Kaaputenen at 16.00 EVT - Frarn at 17.00 EVT - Renyn at 18.00 EVT - Ashab at 19.00 EVT - Eystur at 20.00 EVT - Urlen at 21.00 EVT
Just as I figured. US west coast players can only participate by calling in sick to work.
-- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.05.12 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Koja Tsutariba Pilots of the Protectorate, I salute your efforts today, despite our losses.
I am personally grateful to those Gallente who put aside their differences and rose together with us to meet this threat.
To the rest of you who saw only further opportunities for piracy and mayhem: You are nothing. You are less than nothing. The blood of a hundred thousand souls is on your hands.
Koja Tsutariba, CNS Sparrow. Out.
Worth noting that there was only 3 Protectorate pilots that assisted, with 68 Federation pilots who engaged the carrier.
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift New Eden Research
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Posted - 2010.05.13 01:56:00 -
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Hm. Fifty thousand Amarrians taken as slaves, certainly a tragedy.
I'd hope the Empire thinks more about this and how Minmatar families feel when they suffer the same fate.
Anyway, good show by those involved. Though I wonder if capsuleers couldn't acquire more data through observation, analysis, and reconnaissance than simply blasting anything on their overviews.
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Aldrith Shutaq
Amarr Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2010.05.13 01:59:00 -
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It has been mentioned already in another thread, but today planet one of the Kamela system was also attacked by a Sansha force, seemingly lead by another capsuleer of the name Ahmur Vubina. This attack seems to have been following a similar pattern to the others from today, with a Sansha capsuleer-piloted carrier heading the forces arriving from the wormhole until losses reach a certain point. The goal of this fleet was also apparently to abduct as many people from the planet below until such time.
24th Imperial Crusade forces dispatched the fleet, along with their supposed leader in an Archon. Imperial Naval forces were also present in system, and were able to intercept the dropships sent to the planet's surface. No known civilian casualties.
There is one anomaly with this attack however. Ahmur Vubina himself was actually destroyed twice. The 24th Imperial Crusade fleet destroyed his Archon and proceeded to pod him, but not five minutes later did he arrive back in system with a second Archon, fit in the same way. Again he was destroyed and the rest of the Sansha battleships were also dealt with in swift fashion, but the occurrence was rather odd, and (depending on your point of view) rather disturbing. Clearly they do not care very much about their casualties or losses.
Well, I have told you all everything I know about this particular attack. I hope the information will be of help should they continue in the next days.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile
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Posted - 2010.05.13 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Ms Jenneth, with all due respect, I do understand there is new kind of technology involved. That said, I do also find the current buzz about this premature, alarmist, and based on very hazy sort of intel, and I cannot help wondering who benefits of that.
Ms. Rhiannon, I'll assume, then, that you're also aware that the Nation is placing capital ships directly into planetary orbit with pinpoint accuracy using artificially generated wormholes-- and not the kind that involves a cynosural field. While I'll admit that the intel regarding the Jove remains hazy at best, what the Sansha are doing and what it implies is frankly alarming, so I hope you'll excuse me for sounding the "alarmist" alarm.
We move about this star cluster with remarkable ease. But we do not have the capability to simply drop in wherever we want to, Ms. Rhiannon. The Nation was a threat even before it had either this capability or capsuleers. And now?
The numbers thus far are not a complete disaster. They're not good, but they're maybe not cataclysmic. The worry is not what is happening now, but the omen it represents for the future. We need to find the origin point of these attacks and tear the whole operation up by the roots, or we can expect these attacks to grow much, much worse in the not-too-distant future.
We cannot afford to assume that this is the worst we will ever see, or even that this will be "typical" by the standards of future attacks.
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Minkert
Caldari 101st Covert Ops C. O. R. E.
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Posted - 2010.05.13 03:00:00 -
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I was in Tama with a fleet gathered in SYNEPublic during the attack and destruction of the Sansha Carrier- there were many groups fighting between both miltias, defense forces, and random opportunistic pirates. This chaos led to 100,000 prisoners for the Sansha. The real question is what the commander of the Sansha forces meant by using us to make them strong, are they going to be made trueslaves? Capsuleers? Used as payment to the sleepers for tech? The DED briefings insinuate that the sleepers may be looking to DL into bodies, are we looking at a new enemy entirely? Whatever the case the attacks seem to be ramping up in number and strength, we must prepare to defend this strength and numbers with our own.
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.05.13 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Koja Tsutariba Pilots of the Protectorate, I salute your efforts today, despite our losses.
I am personally grateful to those Gallente who put aside their differences and rose together with us to meet this threat.
To the rest of you who saw only further opportunities for piracy and mayhem: You are nothing. You are less than nothing. The blood of a hundred thousand souls is on your hands.
Koja Tsutariba, CNS Sparrow. Out.
That kind of response will only encourage them. These vile beasts you speak of harvest capsuleer tears and somehow use this harvested resource to make ISK and feed their appetite for destruction.
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Aldrith Shutaq
Amarr Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2010.05.13 04:12:00 -
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I stand corrected by the recent news report on the Kamela attack; apparently 50,000 people were taken from there as well. This has come as a surprise to me, since the Imperial Navy commander in the system said that the dropships had been intercepted.
Quote: [ 2010.05.12 21:33:57 ] Ihsam Dasirel > Sansha dropships were intercepted by Amarr forces. We have avoided the fate of Tama V!
I can now only assume the commander did not have adequate knowledge of what was going on.
Apart from this, I offer my prayers to those lost. May God have mercy upon them.
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